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Santorini 
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2011,12:11 am |
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(irisheyes @ Apr. 08 2011,2:16 am)
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QUOTE Irisheyes is it? Just taking a wild guess here that if you are Irish...then you were probably brought up Catholic. And if my theory is correct...then you of ALL people should know WHO wrote the Bible  Your theory is correct, but nothing in my post was wrong, I simply claimed that the Bible was not written by God or Jesus. It was written by man, although it may also be said by those same men to have been divinely inspired, that doesn't change the authorship. I don't have a problem with the Bible or those that read the Bible, I've read plenty of it myself. Santorini- QUOTE Why you have become the resistance is what I do not understand I'm not a part of any resistance other than the idea that we should let science class be for science. I would be just as adamantly opposed if anyone suggested teaching the Torah, Koran, or Laws of Manu in a science class. If you want to teach about all those books in another class, feel free to open them up and learn all they want.
You are right...the Book WAS divinely inspired...  AND I agree with you that science class should be just for science!
My problem with science [which BTW my degree is in Science!], is what is currently being taught regarding evolution [which just simply means changing]! Some of Faith are offended by this injustice; by this I mean teaching evolution is one thing but to put the idea in a childs head that human beings somehow evolved from apes without allowing our description of how human life begins is biased teaching.
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2011,12:41 am |
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The problem is finding a scientist that's sane and believes in intelligent design.
In your bizarro world why do men have one less rib? Is it because they took something us men weren't even using mixed it with a little dirt and came up with a woman? And if God just conjured up us men, why couldn't he do the same for women? Why did God need our rib and dirt? He just got done making a whole freaking universe out of thin air but he needed our rib to make women?
And how do you young Earthers explain carbon 14 dating that goes back about 60,000 years? What about Chinese pottery that dates back older than 15,000 years?
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2011,9:10 am |
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(Santorini @ Apr. 08 2011,11:59 pm)
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(the breeze @ Apr. 08 2011,9:17 am)
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(Santorini @ Apr. 07 2011,6:03 pm)
QUOTE Breeze, What exactly is your point with that LONG submission on did the Catholics give us the Bible? Please explain history shows it didn't happen that way. Breeze, you do not have any authors that wish to take credit for the article you posted...what are they afraid of? 2nd...St. Ignatius [50-107AD] was the first to ever use the Greek work Katholicos meaning universal. This word was used to describe the universality of the Church established by Christ. and in 397AD the Catholic Church gave definitive decision as to which writings and books should be admitted into the Bible. As stated previously, Catholic is the only religion that can be traced back to Jesus
frist lets get the name right Why does The Apostle's Creed Refer
to the Holy 'Catholic' Church?
-by Tony Warren
The question is often asked, why did the early Church fathers refer to the Church as Catholic. Particularly, the Apostle's Creed which is truly an ecumenical symbol of faith and is dated to about a century after the New Testament was completed. It is important to understand that the term 'Catholic Church' simply refers to the universal Church of believers. It is in no way referring to Roman Catholicism.
To fully understand this, we need to look at the original languages. For example the word Creed is from the Latin [credo] meaning I believe, thus the apostles creed was a statement of Christian beliefs. Some people have the mistaken idea that the word 'catholic' belongs to the Roman Church. But simply because Rome claims to be the catholic church, doesn't make it so. In truth the word catholic is simply a form of the Greek word [katholikos] which means, "of the whole." Taken from two root words [kata], meaning pertaining to, or about, and the word [holos], meaning the whole. i.e., the it means the whole or Universal Church.
Before those grounded in sound Biblical Theology broke away from the dominant Roman Church in protest (thus they were called, protestants) of that Churches slipping into idolatry and unscriptural practices, they were of the one whole (universal) Church. They still are. Rome can claim ownership of the word, but that is mere semantics. For they are not holy, nor catholic, nor in the real sense, the Church. In the false sense, they are a church, but they have long ago left being under authority of God.
The name catholic in our day has come to denote a denomination rather than it's true meaning. But in the early Church it was the title denoting it's universal nature, and had nothing to do with a denomination in Rome. Denominations are an invention of man. There is only the universal Church, not a Roman Church and a Protestant Church, but one holy universal Church.
In the big picture, this hasn't really changed today. The true Church of God is the Universal (catholic, in Greek) Church, no matter what label man puts upon it by denominational edict. There is one Holy Universal Church fulfilling it's commission to go to the ends of the earth with the gospel. And it exists all over the world and has gone by many denominational names. It has nothing to do with what is the Roman Catholic Church today.
the truth is, since we don't speak Greek, we could just as easily translate it:
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
The Holy Universal Church,
The communion of saints..
Every educated scholar of course knows this. But because Reformed Churches are steeped in tradition, and have a high regard for their creeds (nothing inherently wrong with that) it is still rendered (usually) the Holy Catholic Church. And really, there is no good reason to change it. Why should we? No denomination can usurp a word as exclusively their own. Just so long as we all understand that the word simply means universal.
We should also be aware that it is not called "The Apostles' Creed," because it was written or authored by any of the Apostles, it is called this because it is actually an excellent brief synopsis of what they taught. Moreover, it sets forth the Christian gospel in a concise, though pertinent fashion, with proper reverential and liturgical high regard.
Peace,
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Santorini
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2011,1:20 pm |
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Breeze, I get confused as to the substance and motivation of your authors that you quote
Frank whats his name was a mechanic 
and this Tony Warren is he not a British soap script writer?
Where exactly would their expertise lie
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2011,3:12 pm |
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Animals, whom we have made our slaves, we do not like to consider our equal.
Charles Darwin
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