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Santorini 
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Posted on: Apr. 07 2011,6:03 pm |
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Breeze,
What exactly is your point with that LONG submission on did the Catholics give us the Bible?
Please explain 
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,2:16 am |
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(Santorini @ Apr. 07 2011,5:16 pm)
QUOTE Irisheyes is it? Just taking a wild guess here that if you are Irish...then you were probably brought up Catholic. And if my theory is correct...then you of ALL people should know WHO wrote the Bible 
Your theory is correct, but nothing in my post was wrong, I simply claimed that the Bible was not written by God or Jesus. It was written by man, although it may also be said by those same men to have been divinely inspired, that doesn't change the authorship. I don't have a problem with the Bible or those that read the Bible, I've read plenty of it myself.
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QUOTE Why you have become the resistance is what I do not understand
I'm not a part of any resistance other than the idea that we should let science class be for science. I would be just as adamantly opposed if anyone suggested teaching the Torah, Koran, or Laws of Manu in a science class. If you want to teach about all those books in another class, feel free to open them up and learn all they want.
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Stone-Magnon
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,2:36 am |
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That's an interesting story Liberal. I remember sitting in kindergarten Bible school in church and remember watching the fellow try to teach the class. I watched him struggle. I could tell he knew what he was teaching could not possibly be true, but tried his best to teach it anyhow. I was very young, but even then I could sort of "Spock mind meld people". I could get inside his head and feel what he was feeling and Liberal...these were good people way back then. They tried to do the best with what they were given. Sadly, the religious people we see today (the Tea bag Foxer's, Robertson, our local councilman's church, some on this forum) all who are representing what we once were are not those people. The church has been hijacked and is being used as a political tool these days. Many of todays's religous types are using religion to cloak they're true hatred of man.
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the breeze
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,9:18 am |
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(the breeze @ Apr. 08 2011,9:17 am)
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(Santorini @ Apr. 07 2011,6:03 pm)
QUOTE Breeze, What exactly is your point with that LONG submission on did the Catholics give us the Bible? Please explain history shows it didn't happen that way.
The Roman Catholic Church did not give the world the Bible!
Return to "Canon of the Bible" Home Page
http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-church-did-not-give-world-bible.htm
Introduction:
The claim of Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders that they gave the world the Bible, is as outrageous as it is blasphemous. We invite Roman Catholics and Orthodox to read out "Questions" section.
A. Discussion:
The councils of the church played little part in the canonization of scripture. When councils did speak on the subject, their voice was a ratification of what had already become the mind of the church. (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 319, 2002)
Even James Bernstein, an Orthodox leader admits: "The councils did not legislate the canon so much as set forth what had become self-evident truth and practice within the churches of God." (Which Came First: The Church or the New Testament?, Fr. James Bernstein, Orthodox churchman, 1994, p 13)
In other words, the New Testament canon is a recognition and acknowledgment of books that were authoritative from earlier periods on, not a creation of the fourth-century church. (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Peter Balla, Evidence for an Early Christian Canon: Second and Third Century, p 373, 2002)
Of interest here is the fact that the community of faith, rather than church authorities, were responsible for this process; what they determined to be edifying and useful later found a place in the canon. Church authorities only authorized or sanctioned what had already been in use. (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Kent D. Clarke, The Problem of Pseudonymity in Biblical Literature
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JESUS DID THE ORGANIZING for His church and whenever men go beyond that pattern (found only in the New Testament of Jesus Christ) they do so at their own peril. One needs to only read the New Testament to see the problem that has been created over the last two centuries within the churches.
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,10:48 am |
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This has merit. Note the last few words. The Republicans read that to mean give to the wealthy.
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Santorini
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,11:31 pm |
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Great Obit!
ps [not clapping for the part about Republicans]
But if you mean by giving to the wealthy...you must be speaking of the unions who are continually fed funds by their donors; you must be speaking of the heads of programs such as planned parenthood, and other out-dated unnecessaries being federally funded. Yep...I see your point about giving to the rich 
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Santorini
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,11:43 pm |
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(the breeze @ Apr. 08 2011,9:17 am)
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(Santorini @ Apr. 07 2011,6:03 pm)
QUOTE Breeze, What exactly is your point with that LONG submission on did the Catholics give us the Bible? Please explain history shows it didn't happen that way.
Breeze, I hate to argue with someone of Faith, however, you are wrong.
Catholic is the only religion that can be traced back to Jesus.
The Jews gave us the Old Testament and the Christian Catholics the New Testament.
ANYONE who tries to tell you differently does NOT know their history
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Santorini
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2011,11:59 pm |
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(the breeze @ Apr. 08 2011,9:17 am)
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(Santorini @ Apr. 07 2011,6:03 pm)
QUOTE Breeze, What exactly is your point with that LONG submission on did the Catholics give us the Bible? Please explain history shows it didn't happen that way.
Breeze, you do not have any authors that wish to take credit for the article you posted...what are they afraid of?
2nd...St. Ignatius [50-107AD] was the first to ever use the Greek work Katholicos meaning universal. This word was used to describe the universality of the Church established by Christ.
and in 397AD the Catholic Church gave definitive decision as to which writings and books should be admitted into the Bible. As stated previously, Catholic is the only religion that can be traced back to Jesus
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