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Ned Kelly 
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2007,5:10 am |
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| Quote (busybee @ July 17 2007,12:48am) | | Quote | | These neo-con kooks want people to believe that the liberals are stopping soldiers from getting tough on these people, when in fact they're already getting tough, and it hasn't gotten us anywhere. |
Without any labels it would read something like this... "Some people want to believe that negativism about the U.S. involvement in Iraq is stopping the U.S. soldiers from getting tough on the war on terror there. When in fact, no one really knows if we've gotten anywhere, what's getting done, or where we're going next." Here's what we do know...Stay the course.  |
The Iraq war was began with several lies, now the war is lost in the eyes of the American people and we are fools in the minds of the rest of the world.
It's not the will of the American people nor the press that is losing the Iraq war. It has been mismanaged from the very beginning by the civilian leadership in Washington. The war was won in the beginning, but then the peace was lost because leadership tried to run it like a business, with too few employees-"boots on the ground."
Put the blame where it belongs, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld!
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busybee
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2007,9:50 am |
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| Quote | | It's not the will of the American people nor the press that is losing the Iraq war. |
I agree. Maybe I should've used the sarcasm sign, but I guess I do think some people really believe it's the negativism and the press's fault for the lack of progress in Iraq.
I find it ironic that quite often Bush is portrayed as some type of victim that hasn't been able to do his job as commander and cheif in this "war" because of lacking support...didn't he have support in the beginning? Now the problem is this, | Quote | | Let's support our troops, by asking our Representatives and Senators to support our President, who in turn can push the military leaders to WIN this war. The soldiers say it can be won fairly quickly if we would just have the will to win!!!! |
Bush sure doesn't seem like he cares what anyone thinks. Doesn't it make sense that if he did, he'd have pulled the troops out a long time ago, rather than sending more or extending tours? So, I have a difficult time understanding that he is sitting there saying to the U.S. military..."Listen, I got you there, you need to be there, but we just can't be too pushy here, my hands are tied."
I've posted several times on the building of the largest U.S. embassy in Iraq...something Bush wanted. There have been several issues that has basically been from lack of proper management, starting at the White House and trickling to Iraq. As far as I can see, there hasn't been anyone digging in their heels against Bush on this as far as financing and support, yet when the troops were sent to guard the new Embassy because it was ready, it wasn't even safe for them to be in their own living quarters.
"The first signs of trouble, according to the cable, emerged when the kitchen staff tried to cook the inaugural meal in the new guard base on May 15. Some appliances did not work. Workers began to get electric shocks. Then a burning smell enveloped the kitchen as the wiring began to melt.
All the food from the old guard camp -- a collection of tents -- had been carted to the new facility, in the expectation that the 1,200 guards would begin moving in the next day. But according to the cable, the electrical meltdown was just the first problem in a series of construction mistakes that soon left the base uninhabitable, including wiring problems, fuel leaks and noxious fumes in the sleeping trailers...
...The result, the cable concluded, is that the guards will continue to stay in "tents and deplorable living conditions." Officials now say that the guard base will not be ready until Aug. 1."
A 22 million dollar project the President wanted with an actual expense thus far of 592 million and our commander and cheif doesn't even know if it's livable before 1,200 guards are sent there. I guess I expect more from a leader who claims to know what's best.
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dinomac
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2007,6:58 pm |
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Yes... I really have a son in the military in Iraq... who would make that up? He loves his job and knows that they can't solve all the political stuff, but they can help break down the Al Quaeda over there and not over here. And YES they would like to be home, but the majority of soldiers that I know that are serving or have served over there DO NOT want to come home until the job is DONE... whatever that means....
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2007,6:02 am |
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| Quote (dinomac @ July 18 2007,6:58pm) | | the majority of soldiers that I know that are serving or have served over there DO NOT want to come home until the job is DONE... whatever that means.... |
You believe in staying until the job is DONE, but don't seem to have a clear understanding of what DONE means. What's our objective? Is it to remain at war until their are no terrorists, because we'd rather fight them there than here?
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