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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,10:04 am |
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Liberal - The father in the court decision you cited hit his 7-year old hard enough with a belt that it left a large bruise still visable the next day. Clearly that was excessive punishment and probably abuse. The court was correct. Notice the father was jailed on other charges as well and hit his other child with a stick. He probably hit his wife too. I hope he has learned from the experience, but probably not. Hopefully, teachers and others will watch closely for further signs of abuse.
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,2:53 pm |
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| Quote | | The father in the court decision you cited hit his 7-year old hard enough with a belt that it left a large bruise still visable the next day. |
crap, that was a once a week event during the summer when I was growing up. I deserved it, but it taught me a valuable lesson; like don't play with matches out in the field or light your toy cars on fire for fun. It has taken all of these school shootings, in my opinion, to wake people up to see what is going on in the lives of our kids. How many of the parents thought they knew their kid until they found out they went on a shooting rampage?
How many parents here actually know what their kid(s) are doing when they are doing 'nothing' with their friends?
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The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
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Some of what is said here (myself included) is about as tolerable as listening to someone vacuum a cat.
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lisalisa
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,5:07 pm |
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"How many of the parents thought they knew their kid until they found out they went on a shooting rampage?"
Answer: They were too busy finding sticks and belts with which to beat their children to care about knowing them.
Parents who get angry enough to beat their children usually raise angry children. Angry children grow into angry adults. These angry adults then complain on line about teenagers today and how much better their parents raised them. It's a viscious cycle 
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The Game
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,5:54 pm |
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Maybe they should try telling them that ( about authorities) at a later age. My GF kids threaten her with the police (8,8 and 7) just because she makes them clean their room or do chores or if she makes something for dinner THEY dont like. Its insane, but you cant help but chuckle.... back in the day if the kid called the cops over something stupid like that the kid would get a lecture from the cop.... Maybe I can have one come by and lecture them on behavior and respect. They get it at home, but God knows they dont get it at school.
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The Game
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,6:02 pm |
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Answer: They were too busy finding sticks and belts with which to beat their children to care about knowing them.
Man what a buch of bunk.... I can see it now... Sorry officer, I was looking for a switch to rip across my kids butt when he got home, I mean it wasnt like I was at work trying to make a house payment and car payment, ....Oh my wife? She was doing the same thing.... Yeah we know school lets out at 3:10, but unfortunatly work lets out at 5:30.
You want to point fingers, look at todays financial climate, look at what it takes to make a household and just make ends meet today.. Gone are the days of housewives, stay at home moms and such. I'm thankful my mom worked part time and spent the time with us. I got smacked when I deserved it and it sure didnt kill me. Sure am glad mom wasnt out searching for sticks and belts or I might have lit up my HS. (shuah right) I got a belt on a few occasions and I got the wooden spoon and although it hurt at the time I know I deserved it and I for one am glad I got it.
I'm gonna go have a cup of coffee and enjoy my happy healthy self!
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,6:39 pm |
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| Quote (lisalisa @ Aug. 03 2004,5:07:pm) | "How many of the parents thought they knew their kid until they found out they went on a shooting rampage?"
Answer: They were too busy finding sticks and belts with which to beat their children to care about knowing them.
Parents who get angry enough to beat their children usually raise angry children. Angry children grow into angry adults. These angry adults then complain on line about teenagers today and how much better their parents raised them. It's a viscious cycle |
interesting take...
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lisalisa
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,7:15 pm |
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The Game: Were you being disciplined for inappropriate behavior or were you being beaten and humiliated by a parent? From the way you sound, the "smack" was used to get your attention for the lecture you were about to get. Unfortunately, you cannot use your own childhood experiences as a litmus for parental discipline as a whole. Parents who use belts and the like are using something to inflict serious pain because they are to impotent to communicate their anger in a less violent way. Do you have any idea how hard you have to hit someone to leave a bruise? I am willing to bet your parents never left a mark on you.
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The Game
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,8:10 pm |
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Oh it was for inappropriate behavior thats for sure, As I said, I deserved it and I don't hold anything against them. I did wrong and I deserved what I got. Yes the punishment fit the crime to incude the bloody nose I got from mom ( I ducked right into it, and no it wasnt a fist, just a back hand.) Cause and effect as well at rhyme and reason. I learned a lesson and it was well taught. and best part was I never did it again and I am not in jail today. As for the lecture, that was there too and I also learned from that. No marks or harsh bruises, but a few welts but they went away and again I learned my lesson.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,9:39 pm |
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Lisa did school teach you your values or did your parents?
Did school inform you you could have your parents arrested?
Did you throw that in your parents face when you were angry?
My daughters problem basically is her monthly friend. I have been told that B.C. would help her through it, But I'm not about to provide a reason for that undisiplined excuse, knowing school instructed her about the aids thing, as well as mother and I did. Let alone the preganacy issue. I will let her yell , Hit and let her scream till she gets through it. 
The worst living condition is the world is being a man in a house full of women. :0
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lisalisa
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Posted on: Aug. 03 2004,10:06 pm |
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When I was a pre-teen, my parents instilled the majority of values I practice today. My husband and I teach those same values to our own daughters. When I became a teenager, my peer's values became more important than what my parents tried to teach me. As a result, I made some horrible choices that still make me cringe when I think about them today. As I got older, I went back to the values that were more firmly instilled, Mom's and Dad's. No, my school (AL) did not tell me that I had any rights as a minor. They did, however, teach me a very valuable lesson. "Your opinion means dick! Unless you have facts that back up what you believe, shut the hell up." I think I'm going to have that embroidered on a sampler some day. It's almost lyrical.
I am terribly sorry about your daughter's problems. It sounds like a storm that will be tough to weather. I have known parents who have daughter's with similar problems. (When I was 20, a friend of mine went so insane with her PMS that she tried to rip the doors off Donovan's Pub in KC. She told the police her problem when they arrived, and they practically ran back to their car in terror. Smart men.) I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, Mayo has an excellent teen depression clinic that specializes in family and individual counsuling combined with medicinal therapy. From what I have seen in my profession, it works well in many cases.
PS: My husband told me to tell you he feels you pain. He's the only man in the house and currently bears the marks of his daughters. . . pink toenails, and he can't find any polish remover!
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