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jimhanson 
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Posted on: May 27 2004,4:11 pm |
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Sorry to be late into the discussion--I was gone on a flight. Adam is correct when he said | Quote | | Jim's point was that he found it interesting that bookstores in general do not place their products similar to the way that grocery stores do. They place popular items in the back with impulse items in the traffic areas leading to and from. It was merely a comparison. |
Liberal--yes, I was responding to you, but I didn't mean it the way you took it | Quote | His response was, "Put the better selling books up front? Have you ever studied store layout? Think of a grocery store--where are the high-value items?"
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That would seem to MAKE your argument for you. I also provided the exception to the grocery store rule, by pointing out "showcase" items in a clothing store.
The point I was trying to convey is that books, like most other commodities sold in stores, are not placed randomly. Almost any store (except perhaps a Dollar Store) has a preferred layout for the items they want to "push". I'm sure there IS one for book stores. Is Adam's assumption correct? I don't know, but I'm sure there IS a protocol for book displays--if we knew what that protocol WAS, we would know if there was an attempt to push a particular book--just as we know what products are being "pushed" in a grocery store.
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Liberal
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Posted on: May 27 2004,6:04 pm |
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That doesn't make a bit of sense.
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His response was, "Put the better selling books up front? Have you ever studied store layout? Think of a grocery store--where are the high-value items?"
That would seem to MAKE your argument for you. I also provided the exception to the grocery store rule, by pointing out "showcase" items in a clothing store.
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Make what argument? My only point is this whole discussion has been to show that you're both a little wacko if you think there is a liberal conspiracy that decides book placement at Barnes and Noble.
I'm sure they put the new releases up front and if they don't sell they move them towards the back and obviously they are going to put the most asked for books like Michael Moore in plain site where people will see them.
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adamwpuyear
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Posted on: May 27 2004,6:15 pm |
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The only one talking about a liberal conspiracy is you. All of my posts have stated something to the effect "that particular store" or "I found it interesting". I have yet to make any baseless accusations or generalizations on this topic.
New releases up front? How long has Hillary's book been out? Once again, it had three facings within 10 feet of the door.
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Liberal
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Posted on: May 27 2004,6:23 pm |
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If it isn't a liberal conspiracy then why do you think they are doing it?
What's the motive?
Obviously, senator Clinton must still be selling a few books or they would have moved her towards the back by now
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adamwpuyear
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Posted on: May 27 2004,6:36 pm |
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I am not sure why they are doing it. I don't think that they say "Hey let's put the liberal books up front." But isn't it possible that at least one or two of the people that move books around the store could be thinking "Why would anyone buy this, we'll put one stack up front and see what happens" or "I like/dislike this author/topic let's put it here"?
According to their own website, Hillary's book is not on the top 100, but Morris' is #69 and his had far less space (two-thirds less). I found that interesting (not a conspiracy), that's all.
You don't, and that's fine. 
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Liberal
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Posted on: May 27 2004,6:56 pm |
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Weren't you actually trying to tell us that Barnes and Noble is biased against right wing authors? You even called the thread "Bias at Barnes & Noble" which really leads one to believe that you think they are biased. (at least at that store.)
I agree not everyone finds the same things interesting. Personally, I find it more interesting that a conservative would not understand demographics and the law of supply and demand.
Do you think the people that stock the shelves at Barnes and Noble really knows (or cares) if Al Franken is a liberal or a conservative?
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jimhanson
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Posted on: May 27 2004,7:25 pm |
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| Quote | | My only point is this whole discussion has been to show that you're both a little wacko if you think there is a liberal conspiracy that decides book placement at Barnes and Noble. |
Did I make the point of where the books were placed? NO. I made the point that that in every retail store I've ever seen, there IS a preferred layout--I used the example of a GROCERY store--and a CLOTHING store. I know that Cabelas does. Do you suppose that Wal-mart has a policy on store layout? Home Depot? Best Buy? You can bank on it.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it. I didn't say the book store was biased--but I did say that if we knew what their protocol WAS, we would have a better idea if there WAS an effort to push a particular product. | Quote | | Is Adam's assumption correct? I don't know, but I'm sure there IS a protocol for book displays--if we knew what that protocol WAS, we would know if there was an attempt to push a particular book--just as we know what products are being "pushed" in a grocery store. |
But then, we libertarian/conservatives don't have the wisdom of liberals--able to see the nuances of a statement. Like Superman, liberals obviously are imbued with "powers far beyond those of ordinary men"--able to discern evil intent in the most ordinary events, able to turn the course of mighty rivers turn any good deed into evil, able to leap tall buildings with a single bound leap from reckless charge to reckless charge, faster than a speeding bullet faster than a French Surrender, more powerful than a locomotivemore powerful than an Algore Rant. Yes, liberals can see evil in the most ordinary statement. 
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adamwpuyear
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Posted on: May 27 2004,8:19 pm |
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| Quote (Liberal @ May 27 2004,6:56:pm) | Weren't you actually trying to tell us that Barnes and Noble is biased against right wing authors? You even called the thread "Bias at Barnes & Noble" which really leads one to believe that you think they are biased. (at least at that store.)
I agree not everyone finds the same things interesting. Personally, I find it more interesting that a conservative would not understand demographics and the law of supply and demand.
Do you think the people that stock the shelves at Barnes and Noble really knows (or cares) if Al Franken is a liberal or a conservative? |
I haven't figured out how to break up quotes yet so I'll do it like this.
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Maybe the title was misleading. The idea is to get people to post. Just call me the NY Times of the Albert Lea forum.
Point Two
I do understand the law of supply and demand. That is exactly why I found it interesting that a much more popular book than Hillary's had far less shelf space. More demand, but less supply? At least less exposure. If something is selling, does it really matter who is buying it? I have never been asked any personal information for their demographics tracking. I don't think they track anything more than how many books sell in categories such as: title, fiction, non-fiction, hardcover, paperback, and the like. It is probably broken down to the store level and that is it. How can they track sales to particular TYPES of customer? Maybe on the internet or if they have some kind of member card.
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Yes I do think that most of the people at Barnes & Noble know if Al Franken (or others) are liberal or conservative. Why do I think that? Because I assume that they READ! Probably a LOT more than the average American. Most of which seem to lazy to even read a road sign. Do they care? I have no idea, and I don't care either.
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Posted on: May 27 2004,11:11 pm |
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Wasn't this thread started because Adam was trying to tell us Barnes and Noble was biased against right wing authors?
And didn't Jim respond with.
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Liberal Bias? At Barnes & Noble? I'm SHOCKED--SHOCKED, I SAY! (sarcasm)
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That makes you both a little wacky for believing Barnes and Noble would be biased toward one political group over another.
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adamwpuyear
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Posted on: May 28 2004,12:21 am |
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Send in the clowns.
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