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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2004,11:44 am |
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| Quote | | He did layoff all his employees in the U.S. |
| Quote | | By the way, the guy only had 75 employees that he layed off |
I DO have my facts straight--I said he "didn't fire all of his employees".
| Quote | | Behlen Manufacturing, at which Raimondo is chairman and CEO, cut its payroll by 17 per cent as it opened a new factory in China. |
Seventy-Five employees constitutes 17% of 440 total employment. Behlen continues in business today, but did put a plant in China.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2004,12:13 pm |
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SO what kind of return are the big oil Barons getting on the money they invested on getting Bush elected? Seen the price of gas today?
Then there's the war. If there are no weapons of mass distruction and Alkida is not there, then was this war really about OIL?I hope we are not sending our troops in harms way just to make some oil barons wealther. 
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2004,1:31 pm |
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"It's all about oil"--something you hear from people that should know better. Name all of the American oil companies in Iraq. Can't name any? Only (Royal Dutch) Shell.
How did Bush's "oil buddies" profit from the war? Do you really think that the President would start a war to enrich a few PUBLICLY HELD oil companies? Just how many VOTES does an oil company have? (NONE). Just how many VOTES would this select few people have?
We were in Kuwait last time--we didn't take THEIR oil. No, HALLIBURTON put the fires out! We were in Iraq last time--we didn't take their oil--but we COULD have. Today, we're repairing their pumps, pipelines, and infrastructure so they can pump oil and become self-supporting--and part of OPEC!
We could have continued letting the U.N. operate the "oil for food" program, with an estimated $10-12 Billion dollars in kickbacks worldwide, including $2 Billion in Saddam's own pocket. We could have continued letting the French trade U.N. embargoed goods with Iraq.
If we REALLY wanted cheap oil, we could have taken over MEXICO--with HUGE oil fields RIGHT NEXT DOOR. Easier yet, we could have taken over Venezuela--a politically unstable country in our own hemisphere, without a large standing army (like Iraq), and without allies. Venezuela pumps about the same amount of oil as Iraq.
Here's a hot tip for everybody that thinks "it's all about oil". Take this "insider information" (obviously not known to the stock market, because the shares on U.S. oil companies haven't taken a huge spike), mortgage everything you've got, and buy part of one of these oil companies that are making this huge profit from Iraqi oil. Yes, these are PUBLICLY TRADED companies--so YOU CAN OWN A PIECE OF THE "GOLDEN GOOSE".
Let me know how much you bought, and how you came out.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2004,5:41 pm |
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[quote=jimhanson,Mar. 31 2004,1:31:pm]Just how many VOTES does an oil company have?
1. Just as many as there Lobbiest and buy!!!!!!!!
Iraq joining OPEC
2. There is no way any sitting president will ever let Irag join OPEC As long as we are there.
Oil in Mexico
3. Then maybe they should put their young people to work down were pumping the oil and paying a fare wage instead of having there young people snicking in to the good old US of A to WORK
4.We could have taken over Venezuela
Give then Time
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2004,9:15 pm |
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This has turned into another debate about Bush's use of the military in Iraq. I can't take credit for writing this (it was forwarded to my e-mail), but I think it brings up a lot of good points.
| Quote | The Facts
The following appeared in a local paper as a letter to the editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in perspective:
Some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One person recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember. It was started by terrorists on 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on! |
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2004,11:35 pm |
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I didn't even read the whole thing..didn't have to.
Let's examine this sentence near the opening, "Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror"
Of course we did! That's why we call it the war on terror!
"Try to remember. It was started by terrorists on 9/11."---->No, that was a terrorist act. Then we went to war with Iraq and called it a war on terror, but it was really a war with Iraq...see?
Oh, I see, the thing in Iraq is a war on terror? No it's not. That's a war on Iraq. Do you mean war on terrorists...that'd be El Quida.
Oh...boy...we got a problem here. We can't even communicate...
Who's on first base...
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2004,8:06 am |
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Jim, Jim, Jim, you really should be a poltician the way you do things. Let me ask you this, does it really matter if they were layed off or fired? Their jobs are gone, they wont be employed again ever by this man and his company. Their jobs are in China. Who gives a rats @ss if they were fired or layed off? The guy moved the jobs overseas. I will tell you who cares about what words they use to let these people go. People like Jim that are so blinded by partisanship that he thinks its not as bad for the republicans if these people were layed off, and not fired. Jim, you should work for the Bush campaign, they need a guy like you that can tell lies and stretch the truth, make things sound better than they really are.
Ok, Jim, I give up, You were right as always, the guy should get a medal, he only layed off his employees for the rest of their lives, he didnt fire them.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2004,10:26 am |
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Think about this when you go to the polls, If Kerry is elected he will pulll the troops out of the middle east, leaving the region to be recaptured by what ever group has the nutz to rally the religious sector with the most arms and strength. Osama Been Forgotten will be able to rise again. Next we will be attacked again and it will be more deadly than before.
Let Kerrys military record and history of war protest years open your eyes to the wimp he is.
We need a leader (be he right or wrong) with balls big enough to stand up to the worlds thugs.
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minnow
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2004,12:41 pm |
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Yer an idiot!
Osama Been Forgotten----->here you admit that Bush has forgotten him.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2004,12:49 pm |
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Hoosier--As Joe Friday used to say on Dragnet--"Just the Facts, Ma'am". If you are going to quote facts, whether they are Kerry facts, Bush facts, Nader facts--be sure they are accurate, and be prepared to defend them.
Go back and read the post--it wasn't a defense of Bush, I said that | Quote | | it was a figurehead position, not mandated by Congress, and that it was unlikely that the Bush administration would try to fill such a worthless position again |
, and I didn't argue whether they were laid off or fired--just that you were wrong on every one of your three statements. Getting the facts straight is easy--it's right there on the same computer on which you type your posts. People can argue about the VALIDITY of the facts--they can supply their OWN facts to refute YOUR facts--but we would be dealing with FACTS, not schoolyard taunts like "___is a big fat dummy". That's Al Franken stuff.
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