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irisheyes 
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2015,4:29 am |
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In that case, ask a Christian about Judas. See if they're still, using your words, "butt hurt" over that whole betrayal and crucifixion thing.
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Self-Banished
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2015,5:11 am |
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(irisheyes @ Dec. 14 2015,4:29 am)
QUOTE In that case, ask a Christian about Judas. See if they're still, using your words, "butt hurt" over that whole betrayal and crucifixion thing.
Sure, why not, I'll make it a priority today 
First thing though, I hate the organization thing with religion, mine is very private to me, unless attacked.
The second thing is forgiving is a cornerstone of Christianity, apparently not with islam, in fact they don't seem to need any reason at all except to be a non believer.
And lastly you seem to have a problem with the term "butt hurt" Did you have an incident with Catholic priest as a youngster?
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the breeze
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2015,6:06 am |
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Christian Religion/True Relationship
Christian Religion vs True Relationship
Please understand, I'm not selling "Christian religion" here. If anything, I still believe "religion" has kept more people from God than anything else in history.
Actually, I've discovered that true Christianity isn't a Christian religion at all - it's discovering and establishing a relationship with God. It's trusting in Jesus and what He did on the cross for you and me,1 not on what we can do for ourselves.2
"True Christianity" isn't about "organized religion." It's not about hierarchical structures, ornate buildings, flamboyant preachers, or traditional rules and rituals. In fact, let's just drop the "Christianity" label all together. Simply, it's pursuing and reconciling three basic questions of life:
• Does God exist? If so, what am I going to do about it?
• Is the Bible true? If so, what does that mean for me?
• Who is Jesus? If he is who he claims to be, how will this reality change my life?
Again, it's not about the so-called "Christian religion" at all...
It's not about the man-made machine we know today as "Christianity"...
It's all about Jesus.
He's either the Son of God who offers the only true hope for the world, or he's not.
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/christi...hip.htm
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JESUS DID THE ORGANIZING for His church and whenever men go beyond that pattern (found only in the New Testament of Jesus Christ) they do so at their own peril. One needs to only read the New Testament to see the problem that has been created over the last two centuries within the churches.
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stardust14
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2015,5:30 pm |
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^^^Good post.
So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama?
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2015,9:41 pm |
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I'm gonna go with Jesus was not the son of the sky-God, or even a prophet. I think he was a very intelligent liberal Jew that had many stories written about him, and these stories were compiled into a large book of stories about 325 years after his death at the First Council of Nicea.
But if you want to believe that a Sky-God knocked up a virgin and then became a deadbeat dad it doesn't matter to me.
http://www.gorevidalpages.com/1992...ts.html
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stardust14
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2015,11:25 pm |
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Cultures of the time create their vision of Unknowns or Ideals. Many ancient cultures envisioned heavenly gods, not least of all the Greeks, a huge influence upon Christianity, including its great philosophers.
I can imagine today's western visions might include a successful entrepreneur in suit & tie; or tee & sandals like Jobs, emerging mysteriously from cyber ether to rescue mankind of its woes, something cyber gurus promised but have yet to fulfill. Hopefully a new round of bitter god competition and crusades will not arise.
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Dec. 15 2015,6:17 am |
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I'm not sure I'd characterize Jobs' arrival as that of a Saviour. Quite the opposite, maybe. I think I bore witness to the paradigm shift, which began with the arrival of the Apple ][, and the inauguration of Reagan. That's when the best of Humanity started to disappear, leading to this mass of bleating sheep staring vacantly into their iPhones, ignoring all life around them. Maybe all that business in Genesis about a snake and an apple wasn't so far off after all. This has all happened before. And it will happen again. And again. And again...
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stardust14
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2015,3:20 am |
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(the breeze @ Dec. 15 2015,1:21 pm)
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(stardust14 @ Dec. 14 2015,5:30 pm)
QUOTE ^^^Good post.
So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama? "" skeptical "" yes, not against.
Gotcha.
Your mono-critiques of Obama had me wondering. Spreading criticism or praise is a sign of an open mind. Worst moments come when obsessed with single issues or personalities. It's a trap we all face.
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