Topic: Why?
started by: Counterfeit Fake
Posted by Counterfeit Fake on Dec. 05 2015,10:23 am
I guess I am confused. I don't consider myself either Democrat or Republican though I consider myself moderate to conservative.
Anyway. Why is it that Breeze and other Republicans can only seem to criticize and degrade anyone who isn't part of their clique? Look at all of the posts by The Breeze. I would expect a member of a party that supposedly is based off of the platform of being upright, Christian, and above the supposed childishness of the Liberals would not resort to posting such drivel as the top 25 stupidest liberal quotes. I'm pretty sure the Democrats don't have a corner on the dumb quote market. Look at both Trump and Carson. They have made some seriously questionable comments.
Rather than trying to bring themselves up by bashing the Liberals, maybe the Republicans can shine by showing how they can lead this country back to greatness through example. Rather than just bashing Obamacare, show how you can fix our failing and overtaxed healthcare system that will meet the needs of everyone, not just the rich.
I would love to be able to call myself a Republican but over the years the party has become a mockery of what it stood for.
Just venting at my frustration with the childish actions of a few that overshadow the rest.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 05 2015,5:32 pm
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I would love to be able to call myself a Republican but over the years the party has become a mockery of what it stood for.
Yep.
Posted by stardust17 on Dec. 06 2015,1:52 am
Good post. You have stated your opinion, something Breeze has yet to do. Labeling and grouping people is a common tactic used in attempted degredation, accomplishing nothing except stroking the author's injured ego. Many supposed conservative minded folks want to be seen as those of yesteryear---religious, family oriented, hard working, etc---when in fact most have long fallen off the wagon. Many supposed progressives/liberals do the same, attaching old liberal images to their New Age zealot reality as a means of deception. In the end there are a whole bunch of fakes out there who don't want their cover blown. Not even to themselves. A whole bunch of "belief" out there. Very little action to verify it. Values without action is chaff in the wind.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2015,6:17 am
^^hmmm, first post I've seen of yours that's not blubbering bullsh!t, not bad
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 08 2015,8:42 am
(Self-Banished @ Dec. 05 2015,5:32 pm)
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(Counterfeit Fake @ Dec. 05 2015,10:23 am)
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I would love to be able to call myself a Republican but over the years the party has become a mockery of what it stood for.
Yep.
"" Counterfeit Fake, I guess I am confused. "" then your a democrat.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 08 2015,8:54 am
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"" Counterfeit Fake, I guess I am confused. "" then your a democrat.
^Yeah, you're confused alright!
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2015,11:19 am
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"" Counterfeit Fake, I guess I am confused. "" then your a democrat.
^Yeah, you're confused alright!
Recognizing your own kind? Breeze has more on the ball then you'll ever have.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 08 2015,4:39 pm
(Self-Banished @ Dec. 08 2015,11:19 am)
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Breeze has more on the ball then you'll ever have.
Breeze grade score:
Parroting A+
Written opinion F (work not turned in)
Creativity F
Social ethics D-
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2015,6:16 pm
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(Self-Banished @ Dec. 08 2015,11:19 am)
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Breeze has more on the ball then you'll ever have.
Breeze grade score:
Parroting A+
Written opinion F (work not turned in)
Creativity F
Social ethics D-
About the same as you
But you do have a written opinion. D-
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 09 2015,3:18 am
And then there's this:"Jesus did the organizing for His church..." Wrong again.
Jesus was a Jew within Judiasm. His followers began organizing Christianity nearly a century later. There is not one single piece of hard evidence of anything Jesus did or said. Merely second hand recounting, some of which directly contradict the other. Your distrust of Christian direction is merited. Human manipulation of the Word began right from the start.
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 09 2015,1:28 pm
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And then there's this:
"Jesus did the organizing for His church..." Wrong again.
Jesus was a Jew within Judiasm. His followers began organizing Christianity nearly a century later. There is not one single piece of hard evidence of anything Jesus did or said. Merely second hand recounting, some of which directly contradict the other. Your distrust of Christian direction is merited. Human manipulation of the Word began right from the start.
"Jesus did the organizing for His church..." Wrong again.
Jesus was a Jew within Judiasm. His followers began organizing Christianity nearly a century later. There is not one single piece of hard evidence of anything Jesus did or said. Merely second hand recounting, some of which directly contradict the other. Your distrust of Christian direction is merited. Human manipulation of the Word began right from the start.
"Organization of the Church"
by Michael S. Cole, M.D.
Jesus said, "On this rock I will build My church, and the
gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18
THE CHURCH
The church that Jesus built was HIS church. Jesus Christ is Himself its foundation (I Cor. 3:11). He is the Savior of the church (Eph. 5:23). It was purchased with His blood (Acts 20:28). He is the Head of the church (Col. 1:18). The church is the bride of Christ (II Cor. 11:2). The church is the body of Christ (Eph. 1:23). The Bible says there is only one church (or body) (Eph. 4:4).
Since the church belongs to Jesus Christ, the New Testament is our only reliable guide to the church's organization and the regulations for entering His church. No man-made churches are described or authorized in the Bible (Psm. 127:1).
The New Testament often refers to "the church" in a universal sense, encompassing the entire family of God throughout the world (Mark 16:15). Also, the scriptures frequently refer to "the church" in a local sense (I Cor. 1:2).
The Bible authorizes no organization for the universal church, except Jesus, who is the absolute ruler (Eph. 1:20-23) with absolute authority (Matt. 28:18). The New Testament does present Christ's plan for the organization of the local church.
The only way to construct the true, original organization that God approves of is to look into the scriptures. Let us examine the organization of the local congregation in the first century.
< http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/topic6.htm >
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 09 2015,11:14 pm
As I stated earlier--- to this date there is not one piece of script, not a single line of Aramaic or Hebrew text from the hands of Jesus. Strange in itself. Everything in the New Testament is interpretation by dozens of scribes in various Middle Eastern lands, influenced by local culture and politics, war and insurrections. Your hopes of a "pure Word" is as of yet impossible. Human ambition, intellectualism, zealotry have tainted the Word from the beginning. Unfortunate to say the least. Believers must sift through the piles of interpretation and extract what they see fit. Your choice.
Your form of persuasion has not changed, using the interpretations found in online links to back your position, much the same way early/modern Christians base their beliefs. Also unfortunate. The convenience of putting trust in centuries dead scribes, attributing them with the best of intentions and knowledge, many of whom we know little or nothing.
Most of what was written of Jesus is not included in the New Testament, either omitted of later removed due to internal battles within the Church. Ex. Thomas Gospels, whose followers--gnostics--were labeled as heretics and slaughtered by the Church. The Church was "unhappy" about the direction the Gnostics were taking. Much like your unhappiness with the Church today, a scourge that haunts all Fundamentalists of all time. They are the only ones who are right. Based on what? Human interpretation. Opinion, with all its pitfalls and bias. Unfortunate.
PS My apologies to CounterfeittFake for hijacking this thread. My bad.
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 10 2015,7:14 am
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As I stated earlier--- to this date there is not one piece of script, not a single line of Aramaic or Hebrew text from the hands of Jesus. Strange in itself. Everything in the New Testament is interpretation by dozens of scribes in various Middle Eastern lands, influenced by local culture and politics, war and insurrections.
Your hopes of a "pure Word" is as of yet impossible. Human ambition, intellectualism, zealotry have tainted the Word from the beginning. Unfortunate to say the least. Believers must sift through the piles of interpretation and extract what they see fit. Your choice.
Your form of persuasion has not changed, using the interpretations found in online links to back your position, much the same way early/modern Christians base their beliefs. Also unfortunate. The convenience of putting trust in centuries dead scribes, attributing them with the best of intentions and knowledge, many of whom we know little or nothing.
Most of what was written of Jesus is not included in the New Testament, either omitted of later removed due to internal battles within the Church. Ex. Thomas Gospels, whose followers--gnostics--were labeled as heretics and slaughtered by the Church. The Church was "unhappy" about the direction the Gnostics were taking. Much like your unhappiness with the Church today, a scourge that haunts all Fundamentalists of all time. They are the only ones who are right. Based on what? Human interpretation. Opinion, with all its pitfalls and bias. Unfortunate.
PS My apologies to CounterfeittFake for hijacking this thread. My bad.
Your hopes of a "pure Word" is as of yet impossible. Human ambition, intellectualism, zealotry have tainted the Word from the beginning. Unfortunate to say the least. Believers must sift through the piles of interpretation and extract what they see fit. Your choice.
Your form of persuasion has not changed, using the interpretations found in online links to back your position, much the same way early/modern Christians base their beliefs. Also unfortunate. The convenience of putting trust in centuries dead scribes, attributing them with the best of intentions and knowledge, many of whom we know little or nothing.
Most of what was written of Jesus is not included in the New Testament, either omitted of later removed due to internal battles within the Church. Ex. Thomas Gospels, whose followers--gnostics--were labeled as heretics and slaughtered by the Church. The Church was "unhappy" about the direction the Gnostics were taking. Much like your unhappiness with the Church today, a scourge that haunts all Fundamentalists of all time. They are the only ones who are right. Based on what? Human interpretation. Opinion, with all its pitfalls and bias. Unfortunate.
PS My apologies to CounterfeittFake for hijacking this thread. My bad.
WOW!!!! you sure know a lot of words. ever hear of the Bible? First, the church was built and purchased by Christ (Matt. 16:18; Acts 20:28). No one has the right to start a church as a divinely approved institution (cf. 1 Cor. 1:10-13). Christ, the Son of God, is the only one qualified, and he has established his church (cf. Eph. 4:4; 1:22-23).
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 10 2015,12:31 pm
Sure, I've heard of the Bible. It's authors were described in my last post. It's pointless to debate religious semantics with Fundamentalists.But one thing was accomplished. Your last post is possible proof you are a real person, not a forum bot as Expat suggested. Some actual words of your own, few they be. Expressing personal opinion can be cathartic if done properly, expelling some of the hate and distrust within. Try it more often.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 10 2015,12:56 pm
It's just more cut and paste, like I said the Bot is programmed, somebody coded this imbecile ... < https://www.christiancourier.com/article...-christ >
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 10 2015,1:15 pm
The New Testament gives a clear picture of what the church was under the leadership of the Lord’s apostles. The church’s origin was divine; it continues to be subject to the authority of Christ. Should it not be the same today — simply, the church of Christ? < https://www.christiancourier.com/article...-Christ > AMEN
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 10 2015,1:44 pm
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It's just more cut and paste, like I said the Bot is programmed, somebody coded this imbecile ...
< https://www.christiancourier.com/article...-christ >
< https://www.christiancourier.com/article...-christ >
Gotcha. Just having some fun stirring the pot. It's cold and rainy out there. Time for some witches brew---snakes, a dash of blood, a parrot or two, troll feces. Stir well over a blazing fire. POOF! No posts slamming Obama for a minute or two. Magic!
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 10 2015,2:04 pm
Christian kookery. Next thing you know Febreeze will be saying those Westboro Baptist kooks are doing God's work, too. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 10 2015,2:33 pm
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(Expatriate @ Dec. 10 2015,12:56 pm)
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It's just more cut and paste, like I said the Bot is programmed, somebody coded this imbecile ...
< https://www.christiancourier.com/article...-christ >
< https://www.christiancourier.com/article...-christ >
Gotcha. Just having some fun stirring the pot. It's cold and rainy out there. Time for some witches brew---snakes, a dash of blood, a parrot or two, troll feces. Stir well over a blazing fire. POOF! No posts slamming Obama for a minute or two. Magic!
Watch it, if Expat gives you a cracker he'll probably want you to stick your head in the fence
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 10 2015,11:02 pm
I'm just saying people who claim to be strict followers of Biblical text(Fundamentalists) lay themselves bare for criticism, especially when they participate in today's political/capitalist climate. We see what happens to those at Westboro or in the ISIS caliphate. The human instinct for power soon overwhelms any spiritual leanings. The monks of the world follow a spiritual path, not blathering buffoons of the day.When religious memes attached to profiles have stated falsehoods...that is fair game for debate.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2015,4:25 am
^^so you're saying any religion leads to an absolute quest for power,that all Christians will eventually seek absolute dominion over their fellow man as all Muslims will do the same.I see...
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 11 2015,5:55 am
^^Do a little research into the Crusades, the Christian invasion today of the Muslim homeland is viewed by Muslims as a resurgence of the original Crusades, where countless Muslims were slaughtered..The original Crusade was sanctioned by the Christian Church, your reward for killing Muslims was forgiveness for all sins, a free pass to heaven, your monetary reward was plunder stolen from the Muslim people..
Shrub was actually dumb enough to refer to the invasion of Iraq as a Crusade, broadcast on international news channels...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2015,6:11 am
^^ so the goat humpers are in serious butt hurt over something that happened 1k years ago.Wow, no pics, not even an emoticon
You really are one dumb fukr.
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 11 2015,6:56 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 10 2015,2:04 pm)
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Christian kookery. Next thing you know Febreeze will be saying those Westboro Baptist kooks are doing God's work, too.
when speaking of The New Testament Christian church "Westboro Baptist" never enters my mind. strange it should enter yours. understandable, but strange.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 11 2015,11:07 am
The key word is "Fundamentalist". The vast majority of religious do not fall in that category. Literal interpretation of text leads to all sorts of problems, turning followers into paranoid zealots, as can be seen with Constitutionalists. Another example is unfolding in Asia where normally peaceful Buddhists are now roaming the streets and countryside beating and killing Muslim peasants in order to preserve their "peaceful" religion. Religion itself is not the problem. Overly ambitious paranoid zealots twisting religion to fit their selfish goals are.
Western crusading Fundamentalists, whether religious or political, expect great rewards of booty(oil, land, business deals, subservient paying customers) following their plunder of competing cultures, as Expat suggested. A proven policy over decades, centuries. Cultures defend themselves. Unfortunately many rebel groups of the day are being hijacked by Moslem Fundamentalists.
In the end, yes, it's about power. Whether it be in the form of dollars and tangible goods. Or a twisted mindset based in Religo-Politico interpretation. Thus we get Trumpies.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 11 2015,12:23 pm
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^^Do a little research into the Crusades, the Christian invasion today of the Muslim homeland is viewed by Muslims as a resurgence of the original Crusades, where countless Muslims were slaughtered..
The original Crusade was sanctioned by the Christian Church, your reward for killing Muslims was forgiveness for all sins, a free pass to heaven, your monetary reward was plunder stolen from the Muslim people..
Shrub was actually dumb enough to refer to the invasion of Iraq as a Crusade, broadcast on international news channels...
The original Crusade was sanctioned by the Christian Church, your reward for killing Muslims was forgiveness for all sins, a free pass to heaven, your monetary reward was plunder stolen from the Muslim people..
Shrub was actually dumb enough to refer to the invasion of Iraq as a Crusade, broadcast on international news channels...
You do realize the Crusades were a response to the Turk invasions, in which the daesh/moslems were on a mission of religious conquest, because their child molester prophet and their invisible sky fairy god commanded them to do so, yes?
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 12 2015,12:59 am
Isn't Catholic priests known for being pedo's?
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 12 2015,1:56 am
I honor those that are honest..Why do so many people fear being truthful?
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 13 2015,9:13 pm
Kids are taught white lies are acceptable. White lies become gray lies, which in turn become dark lies. Truth is often punished around the home and especially the work place.
Religion teaches we are all sinners(liars).
Truth isolates one from society. Sometimes six ft under.
If greed is good then lying is okay too, as are most of the Seven Deadly Sins.
Not sure if people fear truth. Lying is much more convenient.
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 14 2015,1:07 am
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^^ so the goat humpers are in serious butt hurt over something that happened 1k years ago.
You think a thousand years ago is a long time for a religion to hold a grudge?
The entire Christian faith is based on something that happened 2,000 years ago, and the Jewish one goes back a couple thousand more.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,4:09 am
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You think a thousand years ago is a long time for a religion to hold a grudge?
Yes, actually I do.
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 14 2015,4:29 am
In that case, ask a Christian about Judas. See if they're still, using your words, "butt hurt" over that whole betrayal and crucifixion thing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,5:11 am
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In that case, ask a Christian about Judas. See if they're still, using your words, "butt hurt" over that whole betrayal and crucifixion thing.
Sure, why not, I'll make it a priority today
First thing though, I hate the organization thing with religion, mine is very private to me, unless attacked.
The second thing is forgiving is a cornerstone of Christianity, apparently not with islam, in fact they don't seem to need any reason at all except to be a non believer.
And lastly you seem to have a problem with the term "butt hurt" Did you have an incident with Catholic priest as a youngster?
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 14 2015,6:06 am
Christian Religion/True RelationshipChristian Religion vs True Relationship
Please understand, I'm not selling "Christian religion" here. If anything, I still believe "religion" has kept more people from God than anything else in history.
Actually, I've discovered that true Christianity isn't a Christian religion at all - it's discovering and establishing a relationship with God. It's trusting in Jesus and what He did on the cross for you and me,1 not on what we can do for ourselves.2
"True Christianity" isn't about "organized religion." It's not about hierarchical structures, ornate buildings, flamboyant preachers, or traditional rules and rituals. In fact, let's just drop the "Christianity" label all together. Simply, it's pursuing and reconciling three basic questions of life:
• Does God exist? If so, what am I going to do about it?
• Is the Bible true? If so, what does that mean for me?
• Who is Jesus? If he is who he claims to be, how will this reality change my life?
Again, it's not about the so-called "Christian religion" at all...
It's not about the man-made machine we know today as "Christianity"...
It's all about Jesus.
He's either the Son of God who offers the only true hope for the world, or he's not.
< http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/christi...hip.htm >
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 14 2015,5:30 pm
^^^Good post. So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama?
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 14 2015,9:41 pm
I'm gonna go with Jesus was not the son of the sky-God, or even a prophet. I think he was a very intelligent liberal Jew that had many stories written about him, and these stories were compiled into a large book of stories about 325 years after his death at the First Council of Nicea.But if you want to believe that a Sky-God knocked up a virgin and then became a deadbeat dad it doesn't matter to me.
< http://www.gorevidalpages.com/1992...ts.html >
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 14 2015,11:25 pm
Cultures of the time create their vision of Unknowns or Ideals. Many ancient cultures envisioned heavenly gods, not least of all the Greeks, a huge influence upon Christianity, including its great philosophers. I can imagine today's western visions might include a successful entrepreneur in suit & tie; or tee & sandals like Jobs, emerging mysteriously from cyber ether to rescue mankind of its woes, something cyber gurus promised but have yet to fulfill. Hopefully a new round of bitter god competition and crusades will not arise.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 15 2015,6:17 am
I'm not sure I'd characterize Jobs' arrival as that of a Saviour. Quite the opposite, maybe. I think I bore witness to the paradigm shift, which began with the arrival of the Apple ][, and the inauguration of Reagan. That's when the best of Humanity started to disappear, leading to this mass of bleating sheep staring vacantly into their iPhones, ignoring all life around them. Maybe all that business in Genesis about a snake and an apple wasn't so far off after all. This has all happened before. And it will happen again. And again. And again...
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 15 2015,1:21 pm
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^^^Good post.
So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama?
So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama?
"" skeptical "" yes, not against.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 16 2015,3:20 am
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(stardust14 @ Dec. 14 2015,5:30 pm)
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^^^Good post.
So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama?
So then you are skeptical of all political candidates who espouse to organized religion, not just Obama?
"" skeptical "" yes, not against.
Gotcha.
Your mono-critiques of Obama had me wondering. Spreading criticism or praise is a sign of an open mind. Worst moments come when obsessed with single issues or personalities. It's a trap we all face.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 16 2015,3:42 am
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I'm not sure I'd characterize Jobs' arrival as that of a Saviour. Quite the opposite, maybe. I think I bore witness to the paradigm shift, which began with the arrival of the Apple ][, and the inauguration of Reagan. That's when the best of Humanity started to disappear, leading to this mass of bleating sheep staring vacantly into their iPhones, ignoring all life around them. Maybe all that business in Genesis about a snake and an apple wasn't so far off after all. This has all happened before. And it will happen again. And again. And again...
Don't take me wrong. No kind words for Jobs from myself. My point was the zombie masses fantasize of his godliness, as you point out. Presently Apple continues divestment from this country, investing their profits and manpower in Ireland and elsewhere. Apple geeks pride themselves as above the fray. Bull#%*&!!
Your post: best in many pages.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 16 2015,4:26 am
I'll come back when you two are through. 
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 16 2015,5:59 am
^He's bothered by actual discussion. Perhaps we should resume the hurling of vapid one-liners and insults, so he can play along...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 16 2015,8:19 am
^^ ok then, where were we? Stupidest quotes of Botto and stardirt?
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 16 2015,8:20 am
So true, but I'll resist the temptation for now. The Jobs story, though, gets even better, the ironies and contradictions piling up like cord wood. It happens Job's parents were Syrian immigrants. OH-OH!! Trumpies and Cruzers best strap on their boots, round up Apple users into camps, begin confiscation of Apple products, and toss them on burning piles in the streets.
Fiction couldn't be better.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 16 2015,9:29 am
< http://www.wired.com/2012/07/ff_stevejobs/ >Wow, stellar human being,
I kinda like this guy
While you're at it stardirt, I'll take just a little kale in my smoothie.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 16 2015,10:34 am
We really need a 'vapid' emoticon... 
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 16 2015,10:57 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 16 2015,10:34 am)
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We really need a 'vapid' emoticon...
Oh don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure if you ask the boss he'll be accommodating.
In the mean time use something like this...
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 16 2015,12:55 pm
...said the Truck Driver. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 16 2015,3:26 pm
^^ yes, he most certainly did. 