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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,11:59 am |
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The police are obviously going to take over the country any day now using mine resistant vehicles. All you preppers better head for your holes, we'll let y'all know when it's safe to come out.
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,4:28 pm |
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Do you think that this is a new topic?  Or do you just have to play the victim everytime I post something.
Dangerous for who? You think it would be more economical to keep the surplus gear instead of giving them to law enforcement?
Don't you think you should be grabbing the freeze dried food and heading for the bunker now that police have mine resistant vehicles? I promise we'll let you know when it's safe to come out.
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,5:37 pm |
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So how are will all in danger by the police having a mine resistant vehicle.
It's military surplus, the military has no use for it. How would it be cheaper for the military to maintain it?
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,5:40 pm |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 11 2014,4:54 pm)
QUOTE QUOTE Dangerous for who? Pretty much everyone? Did you not look at the link MADDOG provided about botched SWAT raids? Or read any of the CATO papers you and I both posted to? QUOTE You think it would be more economical to keep the surplus gear instead of giving them to law enforcement? It wouldn't be more economical? Why can't the military use them? If the military keeps getting so much surplus, maybe a committee should be formed to try to rein in out of control military spending. 
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,6:47 pm |
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(Liberal @ Sep. 11 2014,5:37 pm)
QUOTE So how are will all in danger by the police having a mine resistant vehicle.
It's military surplus, the military has no use for it. How would it be cheaper for the military to maintain it?
From the CATO report you linked to:
QUOTE The problem is that the mindset of the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police officers confront not an“enemy” but individuals who are protected by the Bill of Rights. Confusing the police func-tion with the military function can lead to dan-gerous and unintended consequences—such as unnecessary shootings and killings.
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By virtue of their training and specialized armament,state and local police officers are adopting the tactics and mindset of their military mentors. The problem is that the actions and values of the police officer are distinct-ly different from those of the warrior. The job of a police officer is to keep the peace,but not by just any means. Police officers are expected to apprehend suspected lawbreakers while adhering to constitutional procedures. They are expected to use mini-mum force and to deliver suspects to a court of law. The soldier, on the other hand, is an instrument of war. In boot camp, recruits are trained to inflict maximum damage on enemy personnel. Confusing the police function with the military function can have dangerous consequences. As Albuquerque police chief Jerry Glavin has noted, “If [cops] have a mind-set that the goal is to take out a citizen, it will happen.”8Paramilitarism threatens civil liberties, con-stitutional norms, and the well-being of all citizens. Thus, the use of paramilitary tac-tics in everyday police work should alarm people of goodwill from across the political spectrum.
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SWAT teams are created to deal with emergency situations that are beyond the capacity of the ordinary street cop. But, as time passes, inactive SWAT units tend to jettison their original, limited mission for more routine policing activities.Local jurisdictions should carefully assess the need for SWAT units and guard against the danger of mission creep. SWAT teams do possess specialized skills, but they should only be deployed on those extraor-dinary occasions when their skills are neces-sary—such as a hostage situation.
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Congress should also abolish all military-civilian law enforcement joint task forces and see to it that all military hardware loaned, given, or sold to law enforce-ment agencies is destroyed or returned. Armored personnel carriers and machine guns, should not be a part of everyday law enforcement in a free society.
QUOTE It's military surplus, the military has no use for it. How would it be cheaper for the military to maintain it?
Well, since this country seems hellbent on starting wars with any country that it doesn't see eye to eye with, my guess is that it wouldn't be long before this "surplus" is actually needed. OR, maybe since 36% of the military equipment that has been given to local police hasn't even been used before, then MAYBE the military shouldn't have bought it in the first place?
Or maybe the US isn't having any financial problems??
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Liberal
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,7:08 pm |
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So how is a mine resistant vehicle going to cause more "unnecessary shootings and killings"?
It doesn't matter why it's surplus, how is giving surplus to law enforcement cheaper than the military storing and maintaining it.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,7:22 pm |
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(Liberal @ Sep. 11 2014,7:08 pm)
QUOTE So how is a mine resistant vehicle going to cause more "unnecessary shootings and killings"?
It doesn't matter why it's surplus, how is giving surplus to law enforcement cheaper than the military storing and maintaining it.
The topic is the militarization of police. Why do you just keep focusing on the police having MRAP's? It's more than that. I forgot about your reading comprehension and critical thinking disabilities.
QUOTE It doesn't matter why it's surplus, how is giving surplus to law enforcement cheaper than the military storing and maintaining it.
How many more times and in how many different ways do I have to say "IF THIS COUNTRY IS HAVING SUCH BIG FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WHY ISN'T MILITARY SPENDING BEING REINED IN?" Among a gazillion other wasteful agencies/projects/programs.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Sep. 11 2014,7:41 pm |
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So you're just sport bitching about the government again?
A wartime military will always need more equipment than a peacetime military. I'd personally prefer that they have the equipment they need in wartime even if we end up with surplus in times of peace.
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