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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,12:42 pm |
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(Liberal @ Aug. 20 2014,12:18 pm)
QUOTE QUOTE Actually, the main point of my comment was the fact that a bunch of DHS agents were involved. Homeland Security. How do the vehicles seized impact the security of the homeland.
So you wouldn't have a problem if Customs and Border Protection would have seized the illegally imported vehicles? http://www.cbp.gov/about Why did you leave out the rest of my comment?
QUOTE An officer or investigator of some sort couldn't have gone to the houses of the people who bought the vehicles and discussed things with them? Investigated if the vehicles were indeed illegal? It wasn't the fault of the owners if these vehicles were meddled with to pass inspections.
We have huge financial problems, but DHS and other agencies are being sent out with helicopters and military vehicles in some instances to deal with crimes that really don't warrant such a huge operation. Why do you feel the need to always twist things, derail topics and try to destroy discussions on almost everything in your own forum?
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Post Number: 32
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,12:47 pm |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Aug. 20 2014,11:58 am)
QUOTE While business owners and some of the protesters were actually guarding businesses and trying to stop looters. And I agree with MADDOG, that this type of presence will most likely inflame tensions that are already too high. Creating more anger and problems. This is my main beef with all of this, that this behaviour is somehow justified, to any degree, as though accountability is subjective and variable, and not the boolean operator it should be. The throwing of Molotov cocktails is not justified by anger, black rage, or any other thing. It should be treated as an act of domestic terrorism, and dealt with accordingly, not handled with kid gloves due to the perception that more riots are pending if we don't handle it with kid gloves.
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Post Number: 33
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Liberal
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,12:56 pm |
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http://www.cbp.gov/newsroo...ehicles
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Post Number: 35
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,1:10 pm |
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(Botto 82 @ Aug. 20 2014,12:47 pm)
QUOTE (Rosalind_Swenson @ Aug. 20 2014,11:58 am)
QUOTE While business owners and some of the protesters were actually guarding businesses and trying to stop looters. And I agree with MADDOG, that this type of presence will most likely inflame tensions that are already too high. Creating more anger and problems. This is my main beef with all of this, that this behaviour is somehow justified, to any degree, as though accountability is subjective and variable, and not the boolean operator it should be. The throwing of Molotov cocktails is not justified by anger, black rage, or any other thing. It should be treated as an act of domestic terrorism, and dealt with accordingly, not handled with kid gloves due to the perception that more riots are pending if we don't handle it with kid gloves. Botto, I am not justifying the throwing of molotov cocktails. I am pointing out how the police aggression has been directed at the protesters, not the people causing the destruction. Go after the looters and people throwing molotov cocktails. Don't drive big military vehicles into the areas the protesters are and point machine guns at them when they are not the ones wreaking havoc. The people looting and destroying property are idiots, and they are the ones who need to be dealt with. Throwing bottles and rocks are stupid and shouldn't be happening, but most of the protesters have been trying to stop those stupid actions by a stupid few as well.
MADDOG: QUOTE They can't even handle the border crossings properly, but I'd be willing to bet they could show up a some woman's house before daybreak and force her to strip at gunpoint.
How have things like this become acceptable in this country? They can smash into peoples homes like this, flash bangs, killing pets, toss people face down on the floor, not identify themselves or explain why they are even there? Treating people and entire families like they are terrorists.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...at-raid
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/07/18/48482.htm
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Post Number: 36
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Liberal
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,1:37 pm |
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Seriously, if you don't want the police kicking in your door don't let the neighbor sell meth out of your house.
QUOTE Appellant cites no authority to support his argument that the failure to recover the government-buy-fund money invalidates the search warrant, and we find the argument unpersuasive. Appellant characterizes the search as a mistaken search of the wrong house and argues that, even if the search warrant was valid, police were required to stop the search upon learning that Ybarra lived next door. But, as already stated, Ybarra's ownership of or residence at 171 Annapolis was not the nexus between the crime and the place to be searched. The nexus was the fact that the crime of sale of methamphetamine had occurred at 171 Annapolis. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mn-court-of-appeals/1636105.html
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Post Number: 37
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,2:08 pm |
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They "handcuffed all of the inhabitants of the plaintiffs' home except plaintiff Analese Franco who was forced, virtually naked, from her bed onto the floor at gunpoint by officers of the St. Paul Police Department SWAT team and officers of the St. Paul Police Department." The complaint states: "Upon forcibly breaching the plaintiffs' home, defendants terrorized the plaintiffs at gun and rifle point. "Each plaintiff was forced to the floor at gun and rifle point and handcuffed behind their backs. "Defendants shot and killed the family dog and forced the handcuffed children to sit next to the carcass of their dead pet and bloody pet for more than an hour while defendants continued to search the plaintiffs' home." One child "was kicked in the side, handcuffed and searched at gunpoint," the family says. Another child, a girl, "a diabetic, was handcuffed at gunpoint and prevented by officer from obtaining and taking her medication, thus induced a diabetic episode as a result of low-blood sugar levels."
QUOTE Seriously, if you don't want the police kicking in your door don't let the neighbor sell meth out of your house.
And make sure you get a better lawyer.
I think someone already posted this one after it happened. From the images in the video, you’d think they were looking for an escaped murderer or a house full of hit men. No, none of that. They were looking for a few people suspected of credit card fraud. None of the people they were looking for were inside of the house, nor was any of the stolen property they were looking for. They did arrest two houseguests of the family on what the news report says were unrelated charges, one for a probation violation and one for possession of illegal drugs. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rorized
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Post Number: 38
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,2:19 pm |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Aug. 20 2014,2:08 pm)
QUOTE They "handcuffed all of the inhabitants of the plaintiffs' home except plaintiff Analese Franco who was forced, virtually naked, from her bed onto the floor at gunpoint by officers of the St. Paul Police Department SWAT team and officers of the St. Paul Police Department." The complaint states: "Upon forcibly breaching the plaintiffs' home, defendants terrorized the plaintiffs at gun and rifle point. "Each plaintiff was forced to the floor at gun and rifle point and handcuffed behind their backs. "Defendants shot and killed the family dog and forced the handcuffed children to sit next to the carcass of their dead pet and bloody pet for more than an hour while defendants continued to search the plaintiffs' home." One child "was kicked in the side, handcuffed and searched at gunpoint," the family says. Another child, a girl, "a diabetic, was handcuffed at gunpoint and prevented by officer from obtaining and taking her medication, thus induced a diabetic episode as a result of low-blood sugar levels." There is NO justification for this whatsoever.
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Post Number: 39
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,3:03 pm |
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^^^Good thing they were in St.Paul, Mpls cops would have probably shot them all...twice!
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