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scorenix 
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Posted on: Jul. 05 2011,3:17 pm |
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(Glad I Left @ Jul. 01 2011,8:21 pm)
QUOTE As for the taxes, I don't believe in penalizing any one just cuz they make more or less. End the tax loop holes, the breaks, the shelters, the deductions and have everyone pay the same rate. Find out what it cost to run the gov't and set the rate accordingly.
Set the same rate for everyone?
Wouldn't it be fairer if every taxpayer simply paid the same amount of tax? Divide up the cost of government, divide it by the amount of filers and that's what each taxpayer pays?
Still might not be fair though. How about we determine what each taxpayer consumes in government costs and simply "fee" everything? On the local level, that means you call the police or fire department, you pay for that call.
In the late 1990's there was a surplus in Minnesota, and the money was returned. Then Pawlenty rode into eight years of office and ran with no higher taxes, and spending still increased. Now a big deficit, but it can't be covered by taxes because it's not fair?
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,10:19 am |
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Republicans think they are slick, and they think Americans are all gullible and stupid. They think they have slyly figured out that they can win the election only if America loses jobs. These scammers and schemers believe they can win the election only if they can stall or stop the jobs recovery. They think no one is going to call them on it. And they might be right.
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Glad I Left
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,10:29 am |
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It has worked for both parties. Hell Obama got elected with no job record. And the fact that Bush was a POS.
There really isn't much difference between the two. But go on and keep blaming one party or the other and hope things change and see where that gets you.
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After we screw up health care reform, let's take on the initiative of unscrewing the education system (gov't education)
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nphilbro
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,2:28 pm |
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Just to stir the pot here a bit. Why don't they also pull the highway patrols and close all state-maintained highways, bridges, and ports?
Like was said here earlier - If you're going to do it, do it all the way!
This would severely choke commerce. Meanwhile, many of their end-consumers would not be able to purchase their products (electronics, food, etc.). Bring it home!
This might shed some light on how industry (mostly foreign) is already fleecing "the common" and turn this whole argument on it's ear.
Cutting off unemployment and other benefits will hurt those who need them, but it will do nothing to impact the root cause or frame this in any light that will lead to meaningful discussion.
I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,3:17 pm |
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(nphilbro @ Jul. 06 2011,2:28 pm)
QUOTE Just to stir the pot here a bit. Why don't they also pull the highway patrols and close all state-maintained highways, bridges, and ports?
Like was said here earlier - If you're going to do it, do it all the way!
This would severely choke commerce. Meanwhile, many of their end-consumers would not be able to purchase their products (electronics, food, etc.). Bring it home!
This might shed some light on how industry (mostly foreign) is already fleecing "the common" and turn this whole argument on it's ear.
Cutting off unemployment and other benefits will hurt those who need them, but it will do nothing to impact the root cause or frame this in any light that will lead to meaningful discussion.
I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
We have a problem in Minnesota, just like the one in Washington DC...Compromise by only one side doesn't cut it...  ...ned
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,4:24 pm |
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(nphilbro @ Jul. 06 2011,2:28 pm)
QUOTE I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
It's merely basic economics, costs have increased, utilities are up, transportation costs, food costs etc. the question, do we pay it at the state level as the Governor suggests (taxing those who can afford it) or do we pay it at the county level, as the No New Tax Grover Norquist Republicans demand...In my opinion a city like Albert Lea in it's present financial condition will be devastated, there will be no alternative but to raise property taxes on a county wide basis.. wage freezes for public employees won't help we're talking cost increases that have nothing to do with wages!
Fact is many county and city job may be lost...it should be apparent to all but the lame brained trickle down economics and tax cuts for the wealthy of the past have brought US to this State of despair, you can thank Govenor PayPlenty for transferring his debt to our future...
I need not mention the Bush tax cuts that Killed the US..Starve the Beast is Republican Policy they've admitted to that, Grover Norquist coined the phrase...
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ControlledHyperness
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,6:13 pm |
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I will once again state this...and try to make it a tad simpler to understand:
Dayton set about doing this because it worked for Pawlenty (he got his way after the govmt was shut down for 8 days). The part Dayton missed was how BOTH sides got TOGETHER and came up with a COMPROMISE. (a small paraphrased definition of compromise...both sides GIVING UP something in order to GAIN for the greater good).
BEFORE the shutdown happened, BOTH sides HAD compromised...at least TWICE that I know of...turned their compromise over to House AND Senate..passed...turned over to Dayton...and he vetoed it. Why??? Because it wasn't what (and how) HE WANTED! He even said (again paraphrase) during his 11th hour speech that the shutdown over the 4th weekend was ideal because on the 4th we remember those who fought for what they wanted...and he was doing the same. SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?
IMHO, I see this as a grown man, acting like a 2 year old (who is in that lovely independent streak) throwing a fit to get his way. And unfortunately, I see this fit getting to be a lot worse before it gets better. RIght now we are at the loud yelling stage of the fit (Mondale and Arne are here to help)...give him time, he will likely get to the screaming stage...and Obama himself will show up...not that THAT will do any good, but it will make Dayton feel better.
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,6:44 pm |
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I'll praise Dayton for not caving, the Republicans have included major labor law, voting law, abortion law changes, all of which have no monitory value as far as the State Budget and no place in these negations!
The party of no new laws seems to have no problem passing laws that effect you but God forbid there be any regulation on Business!
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Wolfie
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2011,10:15 pm |
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The way I see it if you start to raise the taxes on the very wealthy all it will do is spur them to move out of state and set up temporary residence here for work or what ever. Example look at New York when they raised state income tax rates on the very wealthy, quit a few moved to FL where there is no state income tax. That being said there should be an across the board federally mandated sales tax. The system is already in place to collect it , the retailers, we would just send the checks to a different office, one at federal level. Then everyone would be part of the solution. The poor guy that buys a car from cars and credit for 1500.00 would get taxed on what he spends for a car and the guy that buys a 150,000.00 Bentley would get taxed on what he spends for a car, the corporations that buy 100 15,000 for taurus's for the fleet would get taxed on what they spend on cars. The poor guy buys a 12 pack of old mil beer gets taxed on what he spends and the rich doctor that buys johnny walker blue gets taxed on what he spends, get the picture. That doesn't even bring into the equation the money spent by people earning cash for whatever "work" they supposedly do, ie drug dealer, prostitute, or guy mowing lawns for cash. If you spend money you will pay your fair share, the more you spend on stuff the more your share. Brings to mind that dumb @ss from Tyco that spent 10,000.00 on a shower curtain, rich folks have the money and they like to spend it, let the sales tax reflect it. There would not be a single item that wouldn't be taxable, if you can buy it then its taxable. Seems like a logical solution to me but hey what do I know I do not have a college degree like all the politicians and pundits do.
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