Topic: State Goverment Shutdown
started by: GEOKARJO
Posted by GEOKARJO on Jun. 30 2011,12:55 pm
They are not doing the job they were elected to do. That job is to run the state.
Posted by Hobo on Jun. 30 2011,7:25 pm
I think this shutdown is a big joke. Make them work until they figure it out just like any other job.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jun. 30 2011,8:05 pm
I have to say that it isn't ALL of them up there. I know the Dems and Repubs have gotten together several times, and come up with some pretty good ideas...meeting halfway. Dayton vetoed every single one of them because they weren't what he wanted...HOW he wanted it. 
Seriously...IMHO if the people in your OWN party are giving up on you, there is something wrong...
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 01 2011,7:49 am
Success for Republicans!! They wanted less government, well now they have it..
Posted by Hobo on Jul. 01 2011,9:12 am
Why do they close the Freeway rest stops? I thought the state had volunteers working there. This has got to be the worse time and holiday weekend to close State Parks and Rest Stops.
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 01 2011,10:08 am
(ControlledHyperness @ Jun. 30 2011,8:05 pm)
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I have to say that it isn't ALL of them up there. I know the Dems and Repubs have gotten together several times, and come up with some pretty good ideas...meeting halfway. Dayton vetoed every single one of them because they weren't what he wanted...HOW he wanted it.
Seriously...IMHO if the people in your OWN party are giving up on you, there is something wrong...
Seriously...IMHO if the people in your OWN party are giving up on you, there is something wrong...
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 01 2011,10:21 am
This shut down involves so much more than road work ceasing and rest stops and state parks closing!While Daytons office will still run with a skeleton crew as well as the mansion, state funding to nursing homes, assisted living, group homes has stopped. The majority of the residents in these facilities depend on state funding to pay their way. With funding now ceased payroll cannot be met. With no way to meet payroll facilities are left without staffing.
One case in particular in Mankato:
The gentleman has cerebral palsy and is confined to a wheelchair, has very limited upper body mobility and depends on a caregiver to get him up, toilet him, make meals, put him to bed and so on. The agency that assists him depends on state funding for his care. The owners of the agency notified him and said IF their is a shut down they do not have anyone to get him up in the morning or put him to bed at night. He is left on his own. They cannot meet payroll.
This is just ONE example of the tons out there!!
The powers that be never consider the consequences of their actions...no matter who is in power the weak and vulnerable are the easiest to neglect. Who is there to advocate for them during times like this?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 01 2011,10:50 am
So what's abortion and voter ID and a host of other GOP policy points being rammed down our throats have to do with a budget deal?
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 01 2011,11:01 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 01 2011,10:50 am)
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So what's abortion and voter ID and a host of other GOP policy points being rammed down our throats have to do with a budget deal?
About the same as increases to entitlement programs
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 01 2011,11:15 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 01 2011,10:50 am)
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So what's abortion and voter ID and a host of other GOP policy points being rammed down our throats have to do with a budget deal?
You people dont get it
Like in one city where they had a bunch of proposed projects to be completed but no $$$$ in the budget to complete them. The officials had a grand idea of getting the people in the community involved to VOLUNTEER time, sweat to work together to get the jobs done ultimately saving the city money and giving the residents reason to be proud!!!
Ah, but no...that would require effort...and giving...
The idea was quickly forgotten when these projects were not important enough to the residents for them to volunteer their time.
The same with entitltement programs...
It is ALWAYS easier spending someone elses money.
What if the funding ceased and the recipients through their own efforts had to find a way of keeping these programs going. How important would these entitlement programs be to these recipients if they had to actually put some effort into finding funding and volunteers to run these programs.
Without depending on someone else and someone elses money they would quickly lose interest...nothing in it for them
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 01 2011,11:19 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 01 2011,10:50 am)
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So what's abortion and voter ID and a host of other GOP policy points being rammed down our throats have to do with a budget deal?
expatriate,
Why is it that killing a baby the day before it is to be born is called abortion but killing the day after is murder?
Posted by Alfy Packer on Jul. 01 2011,12:05 pm
He was a poor Senator, now he is out to redeem himself as a governor.The thing I don't understand is if we are going to raise the taxes on the top 2% in Minnesota, why would they stay Minnesotans. Most of them spend time in other states as it is. All they need to do is extend their stays by a few days and they become Texans or Floridians. Although it sounds good on the surface it won't take too long before I become the top 2% because everyone ahead of me has left the state.
Posted by hot84svo on Jul. 01 2011,12:17 pm
Have you looked at the number to be in the top 2%; file a return more than $86000 you now have over a 10.5% tax rate with Dayton's plan. It's about time rich jetsetter's in this state get soaked.
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 01 2011,2:44 pm
When there is a state government shut down, then shut it down!Stop servicing ALL state financed entities. Do not pick and choose. Let EVERYONE feel it.
Especially all lawmakers from the govenor down that can not do their job.
If they can not come together, set aside their personal agendas, personal promises, and egos to do the job they were voted in to do; then if there is a shut down they are done! Yer out! You cannot do it so the next in line gets a chance!
Betcha decisions would be made pretty quickly if their OWN jobs were on the line!
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 01 2011,4:18 pm
(alcitizens @ Jul. 01 2011,7:49 am)
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Success for Republicans!! They wanted less government, well now they have it..
< Time called him the Blunderer. >
Posted by grassman on Jul. 01 2011,8:08 pm
Somebody please explain to me, why, the wealthy should be protected from the same tax rate of others. Some do not understand that, the economy can take a sh!t, and they still do not "feel it". You watch boys and girls, it has just begun. The NBA are now going into lockout. Too much money going out to too little worth. The news will talk about a govt shut down and then the next story is about a new stadium for the Vikings. Do you see the the picture yet? The little guy is a host for the feeders. Our country is run by vultures, elected and private. If I were GOD, I would end it now. People are stupefied and do not know any better or just don't care. You can't take it with you!
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 01 2011,8:21 pm
I hear what you're saying grassman in part of your statement. I will agree with your take on gov't funding any stadium. No other business gets those kinda deals from the State.As for the taxes, I don't believe in penalizing any one just cuz they make more or less. End the tax loop holes, the breaks, the shelters, the deductions and have everyone pay the same rate. Find out what it cost to run the gov't and set the rate accordingly. No more subsidies either. If a product isn't good enough to stand on its own merit then it probably isn't worth a damn anyway. (read: ethanol, etc...)
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 01 2011,10:03 pm
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 02 2011,6:31 am
If you follow the Time magazine link then you'll find a 5 year old article about Senator Dayton that has absolutely no relevance to the subject of the state government shutdown. 
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 02 2011,11:30 am
(grassman @ Jul. 01 2011,8:08 pm)
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Somebody please explain to me, why, the wealthy should be protected from the same tax rate of others. Some do not understand that, the economy can take a sh!t, and they still do not "feel it". You watch boys and girls, it has just begun. The NBA are now going into lockout. Too much money going out to too little worth. The news will talk about a govt shut down and then the next story is about a new stadium for the Vikings. Do you see the the picture yet? The little guy is a host for the feeders. Our country is run by vultures, elected and private. If I were GOD, I would end it now. People are stupefied and do not know any better or just don't care. You can't take it with you!
Grassman, how much is Wealthy?
Quote: Thomas Golisano built his fortune in NY. He changed his residency to Naples, Fl. Why? NY socked millionaires with a 31% tax hike - raising the tax rate on income over $500,000 from 6.8% to 8.97%. FL has no state income tax.
After decades of competing to cut income tax rates, revenue-hungry states are raising them, especially for wealthy folk. States are piggybacking on the Obama rhetoric.
Tax freedom day arrives in Mn April 16 (ranked 8th highest nationally) to pay their total tax bill.
Mn state and local tax burden is above the national average.
Mn 2011 business climate ranks 43rd among states levying personal income taxes. Mn TOP rank highest nationally. States levying corporate income taxes MN ranks 3rd highest nationally.
Yea, GOOD idea!! Lets raise taxes some more
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 02 2011,11:49 am
(Liberal @ Jul. 02 2011,6:31 am)
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If you follow the Time magazine link then you'll find a 5 year old article about Senator Dayton that has absolutely no relevance to the subject of the state government shutdown.
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
Liberal,
You post solely on emotion.
Not fact, not logic, not critical thinking...emotion.
Your hatred toward the previous administration shines through with every post, therefore, your biased
takes center stage over your contribution.
We are all in this mess together. And you are not alone in your biased. It is exactly your type of denigration and name-calling the media and current administration use and rely on for support. It is why nothing is getting done in MN or nationally. The powers-that-be have the same type of progressive-ego that do not let them move forward.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 02 2011,11:51 am
(grassman @ Jul. 01 2011,8:08 pm)
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If I were GOD, I would end it now.
Funny, I asked for that yesterday. I figure it doesn't get any better. Our elected officials only need us for votes. Once that horror is over, they get on with the business of kissing corporate asses. How do we compete with that?
And we keep filing our taxes... Idiots.
Posted by Moparman on Jul. 02 2011,2:47 pm
What about big oil subsidies? Their "product" must not be worth a damn either? The subsidies for ethanol might end however the mandate for the blended fuel continues. So it won't go away it will just cost more at the pump is all.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 02 2011,3:39 pm
I don't recall their being any BIG OIL subsidies. Only corporate subsidies that they (and others that qualify) can take advantage of. I am not necessarily a big fan of that either.If ethanol subsidies go away and it cost more at the pump than so be it. The market will decide if it is a decent product more than any gov't will.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 02 2011,6:06 pm
(Liberal @ Jul. 02 2011,6:31 am)
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If you follow the Time magazine link then you'll find a 5 year old article about Senator Dayton that has absolutely no relevance to the subject of the state government shutdown.
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
So the link is to an article 5 years old. So it has no relevence to the current shutdown.
I believe my comment was simply that "Time called him the Blunderer" and linked the associated article for that statement.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
There is nothing in that sentence to argue about. Time magazine titled the story. Period.
Argue just to argue.
Posted by Hobo on Jul. 02 2011,6:28 pm
Now this is Funny.Moderator Liberal VS. Moderator MadDog.
Posted by Moparman on Jul. 02 2011,7:50 pm
So you must have missed the news that day when all the big oil execs were on capitol hill explaining to congress and the american people how they deserved their subsidies even in the wake multi-billion quarterly profits. Without this money the pump prices would skyrocket, research and exploration would stop, the sky would fall etc, etc, etc.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 02 2011,11:20 pm
Tax the Richest 2%< http://taxtherichest.com/ >
1-855-508-6472
Call your State Legislators
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 03 2011,8:21 am
(Moparman @ Jul. 02 2011,7:50 pm)
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So you must have missed the news that day when all the big oil execs were on capitol hill explaining to congress and the american people how they deserved their subsidies even in the wake multi-billion quarterly profits. Without this money the pump prices would skyrocket, research and exploration would stop, the sky would fall etc, etc, etc.
I didn't miss it. I recall it well. But congress singled out a single business type for use of this subsidy. They could have called in any number of other businesses that used the same one, but they didn't.
Like I have stated, I am not arguing in favor of big oil, I think they are, to some extent, screwing the average citizen for all they can, but looking at it objectively, it could have been any number of different industries up there. But, because big oil profits are so large, in a strict numbers sense, they make an easier target, plus with gas prices the way are, that makes it even easier.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Jul. 03 2011,1:51 pm
I hope the state is shut down for weeks I enjoy all the time off.ENJOY!!!! ENJOY!!!! Eat your heart out.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 03 2011,6:04 pm
(Santorini @ Jul. 01 2011,11:19 am)
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(Expatriate @ Jul. 01 2011,10:50 am)
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So what's abortion and voter ID and a host of other GOP policy points being rammed down our throats have to do with a budget deal?
expatriate,
Why is it that killing a baby the day before it is to be born is called abortion but killing the day after is murder?
I didn't challenge you to a debate on the morality of abortion my question was what place does it have in budget discussions? What place does legislation that changes labor laws or voting laws etc.? The Republican's know the Governor is not going to sign legislation that's anti-worker or any of this other Republican wish list legislation that has nothing to do with the budget..
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 04 2011,7:24 am
Republican caucuses simply need to ask the richest 0.3 percent of Minnesotans, just over 7,000, to pay a little more. The Republican leadership rejected this offer out of hand.Republicans claim that the very richest Minnesotans shouldn’t have to pay the burden – the closest thing they did to come to a compromise was propose $1 billion in new spending, to be paid back by future generations.
Republicans also insisted that any new revenue(taxes) also include several of their most painful policy provisions. They wanted a budget deal to include weakening the rights of teachers to negotiate, lower wages for Minnesotans, permanent layoffs for thousands of state workers, and limiting women’s rights. Those are choices that compromise our state’s values and target our state’s working class. That’s a choice that Governor Dayton is unwilling to make.
The choice around this budget impasse is now crystal clear. We can support Governor Dayton’s plan to ask the state’s millionaires to pay a little more, or we can choose a Republican budget that would cripple the middle class in Minnesota.
Tax the Richest
< http://taxtherichest.com/ >
1-855-508-6472
Call your State Legislators
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 04 2011,10:00 am
(MADDOG @ Jul. 01 2011,4:18 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Jul. 01 2011,7:49 am)
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Success for Republicans!! They wanted less government, well now they have it..
< Time called him the Blunderer. >
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If you follow the Time magazine link then you'll find a 5 year old article about Senator Dayton that has absolutely no relevance to the subject of the state government shutdown.
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
So the link is to an article 5 years old. So it has no relevence to the current shutdown.
I believe my comment was simply that "Time called him the Blunderer" and linked the associated article for that statement.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
There is nothing in that sentence to argue about. Time magazine titled the story. Period.
Argue just to argue.
You didn't just post this random link about Time magazine, you posted it in response to Alcitizens post about the government being shut down. You even included his post so that people would have a reference as to what you were commenting on. As far as your question about Dayton's time as a Senator being relevant today, would you think your behavior in the past is relevant to how people would describe you today?
It's funny how you republitards get all whiny when they're caught posting bogus links that have no relevance to the topic at hand. I'd think most of you would have grown accustomed to it by now.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 04 2011,10:18 am
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Posted by Liberal on Jul. 04 2011,10:23 am
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(Liberal @ Jul. 02 2011,6:31 am)
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If you follow the Time magazine link then you'll find a 5 year old article about Senator Dayton that has absolutely no relevance to the subject of the state government shutdown.
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
Liberal,
You post solely on emotion.
Not fact, not logic, not critical thinking...emotion.
Your hatred toward the previous administration shines through with every post, therefore, your biased
takes center stage over your contribution.
We are all in this mess together. And you are not alone in your biased. It is exactly your type of denigration and name-calling the media and current administration use and rely on for support. It is why nothing is getting done in MN or nationally. The powers-that-be have the same type of progressive-ego that do not let them move forward.
Exactly what part of my post made reference to the previous administration? Or which part seemed emotional to you?
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We are all in this mess together. And you are not alone in your biased. It is exactly your type of denigration and name-calling the media and current administration use and rely on for support. It is why nothing is getting done in MN or nationally.
This is not a mess you buffoon, this is a great time for liberals, but not so much for republitards. They only part of the liberal agenda that we haven't dealt with yet is gay marriage, but I understand that Obama has to save some stuff for his next term.
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We are all in this mess together. And you are not alone in your biased.
Is that English? That sentence reminds me of the old meme "all your base are belong to us". If you're going to try to use bigger words like 'biased" you should at least look them up to see if you're using them properly.
For example I can have biased views, but I can't speak those views with biased. I could however speak the words with a bias toward my political leanings, but I can't speak those words with just a "biased".
I'd expect a little better from a self proclaimed intelligent person.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 04 2011,2:19 pm
(Liberal @ Jul. 04 2011,10:23 am)
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I'd expect a little better from a self proclaimed intelligent person.
I've followed Santiani long enough to know that he's just short of being a complete moron. I laugh at his ramblings..
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 05 2011,9:58 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 03 2011,6:04 pm)
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(Santorini @ Jul. 01 2011,11:19 am)
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(Expatriate @ Jul. 01 2011,10:50 am)
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So what's abortion and voter ID and a host of other GOP policy points being rammed down our throats have to do with a budget deal?
expatriate,
Why is it that killing a baby the day before it is to be born is called abortion but killing the day after is murder?
I didn't challenge you to a debate on the morality of abortion my question was what place does it have in budget discussions? What place does legislation that changes labor laws or voting laws etc.? The Republican's know the Governor is not going to sign legislation that's anti-worker or any of this other Republican wish list legislation that has nothing to do with the budget..
HOW my tax dollars are spent DOES have everything to do with the budget
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 05 2011,10:00 am
(alcitizens @ Jul. 04 2011,2:19 pm)
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(Liberal @ Jul. 04 2011,10:23 am)
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I'd expect a little better from a self proclaimed intelligent person.
I've followed Santiani long enough to know that he's just short of being a complete moron. I laugh at his ramblings..
Yea..
And YOU are the epitome of logic and intellect
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 05 2011,10:18 am
[Santiani]QUOTE
Why is it that killing a baby the day before it is to be born is called abortion but killing the day after is murder?
Show me the law that allows an abortion one day prior to a baby being born and I'll publicly praise you for being a genius.
You radicals think that what you're saying is fact. That makes you the epitome of idiots..
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 05 2011,11:26 am
MN is one of the few states that allow late-term abortion (Meaning the baby is at the viable stage)if to preserve the womans life or phyiscal or mental health.
Kind of arbitrary!
Dayton struck down 3 bills that would have lowered the limit for late-term abortion!
So there you go! It is allowed in Mn!
Posted by scorenix on Jul. 05 2011,3:17 pm
(Glad I Left @ Jul. 01 2011,8:21 pm)
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As for the taxes, I don't believe in penalizing any one just cuz they make more or less. End the tax loop holes, the breaks, the shelters, the deductions and have everyone pay the same rate. Find out what it cost to run the gov't and set the rate accordingly.
Set the same rate for everyone?
Wouldn't it be fairer if every taxpayer simply paid the same amount of tax? Divide up the cost of government, divide it by the amount of filers and that's what each taxpayer pays?
Still might not be fair though. How about we determine what each taxpayer consumes in government costs and simply "fee" everything? On the local level, that means you call the police or fire department, you pay for that call.
In the late 1990's there was a surplus in Minnesota, and the money was returned. Then Pawlenty rode into eight years of office and ran with no higher taxes, and spending still increased. Now a big deficit, but it can't be covered by taxes because it's not fair?
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 06 2011,2:22 am
(Santorini @ Jul. 05 2011,11:26 am)
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MN is one of the few states that allow late-term abortion (Meaning the baby is at the viable stage)
if to preserve the womans life or phyiscal or mental health.
if to preserve the womans life or phyiscal or mental health.
[Santiani]
QUOTE
Why is it that killing a baby the day before it is to be born is called abortion but killing the day after is murder?
Big difference between a late-term abortion to save the woman and a FULL-TERM pregnancy..
You've once again failed to prove that a baby can be aborted a day before being born.. Typical Radical Right-Wing Bull..
Say it enough times and it becomes true..
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 06 2011,10:19 am
Republicans think they are slick, and they think Americans are all gullible and stupid. They think they have slyly figured out that they can win the election only if America loses jobs. These scammers and schemers believe they can win the election only if they can stall or stop the jobs recovery. They think no one is going to call them on it. And they might be right.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 06 2011,10:29 am
It has worked for both parties. Hell Obama got elected with no job record. And the fact that Bush was a POS.There really isn't much difference between the two. But go on and keep blaming one party or the other and hope things change and see where that gets you.
Posted by nphilbro on Jul. 06 2011,2:28 pm
Just to stir the pot here a bit. Why don't they also pull the highway patrols and close all state-maintained highways, bridges, and ports? Like was said here earlier - If you're going to do it, do it all the way!
This would severely choke commerce. Meanwhile, many of their end-consumers would not be able to purchase their products (electronics, food, etc.). Bring it home!
This might shed some light on how industry (mostly foreign) is already fleecing "the common" and turn this whole argument on it's ear.
Cutting off unemployment and other benefits will hurt those who need them, but it will do nothing to impact the root cause or frame this in any light that will lead to meaningful discussion.
I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
Posted by nedkelly on Jul. 06 2011,3:17 pm
(nphilbro @ Jul. 06 2011,2:28 pm)
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Just to stir the pot here a bit. Why don't they also pull the highway patrols and close all state-maintained highways, bridges, and ports?
Like was said here earlier - If you're going to do it, do it all the way!
This would severely choke commerce. Meanwhile, many of their end-consumers would not be able to purchase their products (electronics, food, etc.). Bring it home!
This might shed some light on how industry (mostly foreign) is already fleecing "the common" and turn this whole argument on it's ear.
Cutting off unemployment and other benefits will hurt those who need them, but it will do nothing to impact the root cause or frame this in any light that will lead to meaningful discussion.
I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
Like was said here earlier - If you're going to do it, do it all the way!
This would severely choke commerce. Meanwhile, many of their end-consumers would not be able to purchase their products (electronics, food, etc.). Bring it home!
This might shed some light on how industry (mostly foreign) is already fleecing "the common" and turn this whole argument on it's ear.
Cutting off unemployment and other benefits will hurt those who need them, but it will do nothing to impact the root cause or frame this in any light that will lead to meaningful discussion.
I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
We have a problem in Minnesota, just like the one in Washington DC...Compromise by only one side doesn't cut it...
...ned
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2011,4:24 pm
(nphilbro @ Jul. 06 2011,2:28 pm)
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I'm glad I get to watch this great experiment from 2000 miles away.
It's merely basic economics, costs have increased, utilities are up, transportation costs, food costs etc. the question, do we pay it at the state level as the Governor suggests (taxing those who can afford it) or do we pay it at the county level, as the No New Tax Grover Norquist Republicans demand...In my opinion a city like Albert Lea in it's present financial condition will be devastated, there will be no alternative but to raise property taxes on a county wide basis.. wage freezes for public employees won't help we're talking cost increases that have nothing to do with wages!
Fact is many county and city job may be lost...it should be apparent to all but the lame brained trickle down economics and tax cuts for the wealthy of the past have brought US to this State of despair, you can thank Govenor PayPlenty for transferring his debt to our future...
I need not mention the Bush tax cuts that Killed the US..Starve the Beast is Republican Policy they've admitted to that, Grover Norquist coined the phrase...
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 06 2011,6:13 pm
I will once again state this...and try to make it a tad simpler to understand:Dayton set about doing this because it worked for Pawlenty (he got his way after the govmt was shut down for 8 days). The part Dayton missed was how BOTH sides got TOGETHER and came up with a COMPROMISE. (a small paraphrased definition of compromise...both sides GIVING UP something in order to GAIN for the greater good).
BEFORE the shutdown happened, BOTH sides HAD compromised...at least TWICE that I know of...turned their compromise over to House AND Senate..passed...turned over to Dayton...and he vetoed it. Why??? Because it wasn't what (and how) HE WANTED! He even said (again paraphrase) during his 11th hour speech that the shutdown over the 4th weekend was ideal because on the 4th we remember those who fought for what they wanted...and he was doing the same. SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?
IMHO, I see this as a grown man, acting like a 2 year old (who is in that lovely independent streak) throwing a fit to get his way. And unfortunately, I see this fit getting to be a lot worse before it gets better. RIght now we are at the loud yelling stage of the fit (Mondale and Arne are here to help)...give him time, he will likely get to the screaming stage...and Obama himself will show up...not that THAT will do any good, but it will make Dayton feel better.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2011,6:44 pm
I'll praise Dayton for not caving, the Republicans have included major labor law, voting law, abortion law changes, all of which have no monitory value as far as the State Budget and no place in these negations! The party of no new laws seems to have no problem passing laws that effect you but God forbid there be any regulation on Business!
Posted by Wolfie on Jul. 06 2011,10:15 pm
The way I see it if you start to raise the taxes on the very wealthy all it will do is spur them to move out of state and set up temporary residence here for work or what ever. Example look at New York when they raised state income tax rates on the very wealthy, quit a few moved to FL where there is no state income tax. That being said there should be an across the board federally mandated sales tax. The system is already in place to collect it , the retailers, we would just send the checks to a different office, one at federal level. Then everyone would be part of the solution. The poor guy that buys a car from cars and credit for 1500.00 would get taxed on what he spends for a car and the guy that buys a 150,000.00 Bentley would get taxed on what he spends for a car, the corporations that buy 100 15,000 for taurus's for the fleet would get taxed on what they spend on cars. The poor guy buys a 12 pack of old mil beer gets taxed on what he spends and the rich doctor that buys johnny walker blue gets taxed on what he spends, get the picture. That doesn't even bring into the equation the money spent by people earning cash for whatever "work" they supposedly do, ie drug dealer, prostitute, or guy mowing lawns for cash. If you spend money you will pay your fair share, the more you spend on stuff the more your share. Brings to mind that dumb @ss from Tyco that spent 10,000.00 on a shower curtain, rich folks have the money and they like to spend it, let the sales tax reflect it. There would not be a single item that wouldn't be taxable, if you can buy it then its taxable. Seems like a logical solution to me but hey what do I know I do not have a college degree like all the politicians and pundits do.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 07 2011,2:06 am
What % sales tax would you suggest? Cities in mn already have a state mandated 6.875% and some have a local tax added. Booze usually has 9.75 tax. Vehicles already have sales taxes. In mn, home prepared food and clothing are the only items not already taxed. I think our govt needs to come to a reality, that it is loopholes for the wealthy as well as for lower income, combined with idiotic spending habits that need to be addressed. If they would just take a good hard look at everyday spending habits done at every level, they would be amazed at what could be saved. The problem is, that until now nobody was paying attention. It isn't their money that they are wasting. What is going on in the govt is, they have made promises to constituants. The republicans are out in the open now that it is the wealthy that they will protect at all costs. They don't really care about what is good for the greater, they care about the greater amount of money donated to get elected. 
Posted by Wolfie on Jul. 07 2011,4:18 am
First of all the federal sales tax would include enough to send back to each state. I guess I would think 25% would be fair, 10% going back to each state and 15% for the Feds.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 07 2011,11:57 am
(Liberal @ Jul. 04 2011,10:00 am)
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(MADDOG @ Jul. 01 2011,4:18 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Jul. 01 2011,7:49 am)
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Success for Republicans!! They wanted less government, well now they have it..
< Time called him the Blunderer. >
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If you follow the Time magazine link then you'll find a 5 year old article about Senator Dayton that has absolutely no relevance to the subject of the state government shutdown.
Why is it you always have to check the republitards' links?
I do wonder if they do that intentionally, or is it because they possess the reading comprehension skills of your average 5th grader, and they really don't know what they're even linking to?
So the link is to an article 5 years old. So it has no relevence to the current shutdown.
I believe my comment was simply that "Time called him the Blunderer" and linked the associated article for that statement.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
There is nothing in that sentence to argue about. Time magazine titled the story. Period.
Argue just to argue.
You didn't just post this random link about Time magazine, you posted it in response to Alcitizens post about the government being shut down. You even included his post so that people would have a reference as to what you were commenting on. As far as your question about Dayton's time as a Senator being relevant today, would you think your behavior in the past is relevant to how people would describe you today?
It's funny how you republitards get all whiny when they're caught posting bogus links that have no relevance to the topic at hand. I'd think most of you would have grown accustomed to it by now.
Nope, sorry buddy. I was responding to alci's name calling. I referenced him using republitards (like you do) to Times calling Dayton 'The Blunderer.'
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 07 2011,12:03 pm
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Nope, sorry buddy. I was responding to alci's name calling.
Nice try, but what you quoted contained no name calling.
Your referenced quote was.
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Success for Republicans!! They wanted less government, well now they have it..
I must have missed the name calling you were referring to.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 07 2011,4:04 pm
Nope, I must be so used to the term that I read it wrong. My bad.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 07 2011,8:02 pm
Finding a place to stop along Interstate 35 shouldn't be that difficult. Also finding places to camp in Northern Minnesota wouldn't be that much of a problem either. You have lots and lots of privately owned facilities.
If you insist on some government affiliated place, how about Chippewa National Forest?
Posted by nedkelly on Jul. 08 2011,7:28 am
Wouldn't it be nice to have some of the state funds today that were depleted during T.Paws first term so he could lower taxes on the chosen few... ... the man thinks he is Presidential material... ...ned
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 08 2011,12:50 pm
Would making cuts to state services be acceptable? Or unacceptable? To you? 61% Acceptable
31% Unacceptable
8% Not Sure
Where should additional revenue come from to pay for increased spending? From higher income taxes on the wealthiest Minnesotans? From higher income taxes on all Minnesotans? A higher state sales tax? Gambling revenue? Or something else?
62% Higher Taxes On Wealthy
10% Higher Taxes On All
6% Higher State Sales Tax
17% Gambling Revenue
6% Other
0% Not Sure
< http://kstp.com/news/stories/s2165061.shtml?cat=89 >
Posted by nedkelly on Jul. 08 2011,3:38 pm
Go for the 62%... 
......ned
Posted by GEOKARJO on Jul. 08 2011,5:08 pm
Mark Dayton Governor of MN, was sitting in his office wondering what kind of mischief he could perpetrate against the Republicans when he was interrupted by a telephone call;"Hello, Mr. Dayton?" a heavily accented voice said.
"This is Patty down at the Eddie's Bar in Albert Lea. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially declaring war on Minnesota!"
"Well, Patty," Dayton replied, "this is indeed important news! How big is your army?"
"Right now," said Patty, after a moment's calculation, "there is myself, me cousin Sean, me next door neighbor Seamus, and the entire dart team from the Bar. That makes Fifteen!"
Dayton paused. "I must tell you, Patty, that I have one hundred thousand men in my State National Guard waiting to move on my command."
"Damn!" said Patty. "I'll have to ring you back!"
Sure enough, the next day, Patty called again. "Mr. Dayton, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!"
"And what equipment would that be, Patty?" Dayton asked
"Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor."
Dayton sighed, amused. "I must tell you, Patty, that I have 6,000 tanks and 5,000 armored personnel carriers. Also, I've increased my State National Guard to one hundred and fifty-thousand since we last spoke."
"Saints preserve us!" said Patty. "I'll have to get back to you."
Sure enough, Patty rang again the next day. "Mr. Dayton, the war is still on! We have managed to get ourselves airborne! We've modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Legends Bar have joined us as well!"
Dayton was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. "I must tell you, Patty, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes My military complex is surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I've increased my National Guard to two hundred thousand!"
"Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!", said Patty; "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, Patty called again the next day. "Top o' the mornin', Mr. Dayton! I am sorry to tell you that we have had to call off the war."
"I'm sorry to hear that," said Dayton. "Why the sudden change of heart?"
"Well," said Patty, "we've all had a long chat over a bunch of pints, and decided there's no foo-kin way we can feed two hundred thousand prisoners!"
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 09 2011,1:41 am
End the Shutdown NOW.The secret politicians aren't telling is that the ultra rich in Minnesota are taxed at a LOWER rate than the rest of us!
Very Richest – 9.7% effective tax rate
Working Families – 12.1% effective tax rate
If the richest Minnesotans paid their share it would generate enough revenue to end the shutdown today!
Stand up now: Tell the richest 2% to pay their share.
Add your name to petition
< http://action.mnfaireconomy.org/page/s/EndShutdown?source=MFE_blog >
< http://www.mnfaireconomy.org/ >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,2:08 am
Class warfare, as sexy as it is to the 45% of Minnesotans who pay zero in income taxes, leaves out the less sexy bigger picture of class welfare that is bleeding you dry.Start with spending cuts and then look at the revenue side. Your fundamental problem is spending. If you don’t limit the size of government now then government will continue to grow unlimited evermore.
There is a tipping point where reigning in spending will become impossible because of the raw weight of political influence on the “taking” side of the argument. Mark Dayton’s $4billion tax increase and 22% raise for public employees at a time when every Minnesota family is taking a pay cut is in a word: “immoral”.
Taxing the rich is not going to have the effect you think it will. It all boils down to basic mathematics in this regard, as taxing the rich will NOT generate revenue and will have the opposite effect.
Posted by Stone-Magnon on Jul. 09 2011,2:29 am
So you're advocating for huge tax breaks on higher income people while at the same time advocating for wiping out the safety net. A safety net you may need one day.You want 90% of the wealth to go to the top 10% while at the same time making sure the poor get nothing or far less.
Why...because of your views on abortion?
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 09 2011,2:52 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 09 2011,2:08 am)
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Mark Dayton’s $4billion tax increase and 22% raise for public employees at a time when every Minnesota family is taking a pay cut is in a word: “immoral”.
Why don't you ever give a link to prove what you're saying?
22% Raise?
"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."
—David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's budget director
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,12:59 pm
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So you're advocating for huge tax breaks on higher income people while at the same time advocating for wiping out the safety net. A safety net you may need one day.
In a short answer: YES.
Also it is not the taxpayers responsibility nor the govt, to provide a safety net, that responsibility falls on the individual. We make every effort to provide for the bad economic days when they hit. A little common sense with a budget, investments in stocks, 401k, ROTHS,ect. and limiting non essential purchases. People do not need to have everything, at times you have to do without.
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You want 90% of the wealth to go to the top 10% while at the same time making sure the poor get nothing or far less.
And you seem to think that wealth is a shared item among all, when it isn't. The poor are poor, well because they are poor and have every opportunity to change their situation with alot of hard work, but most do not want to put in the hard work and effort and expect everything to be handed to them because life isn't fair. Well WAAAAAHH life ain't fair, get use to it. There is always going to be the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. This is the way it is and the way it will always be.
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Why...because of your views on abortion?
UMMM, WTF? does this have to do with anything.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,1:03 pm
(alcitizens @ Jul. 09 2011,2:52 am)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 09 2011,2:08 am)
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Mark Dayton’s $4billion tax increase and 22% raise for public employees at a time when every Minnesota family is taking a pay cut is in a word: “immoral”.
Why don't you ever give a link to prove what you're saying?
22% Raise?
"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."
—David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's budget director
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics >
Well I got it from < Here >
But you will dismiss it anyway, because it didn't come from the all so truthful left leaning websites you are so very well fond of.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Jul. 09 2011,1:18 pm
Why shouldnt the low incme,middle income pay some of the taxes. You can only soak the rich so far.Tell those lazy idots to go find a job. I started working at age 15 and still working at age 67.
The worst part of the taxes is EARNED INCOME CREDIT Why should a lazy a$$ get three times more back than what they paid in!!!!!!
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 09 2011,1:51 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 09 2011,1:03 pm)
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Well I got it from < Here >
But you will dismiss it anyway, because it didn't come from the all so truthful left leaning websites you are so very well fond of.
But you will dismiss it anyway, because it didn't come from the all so truthful left leaning websites you are so very well fond of.
Peter J. Bozanich is permanently disbarred.
The court voted 6-1 to permanently revoke Peter J. Bozanich's law license after citing him for nine violations of the code of professional conduct for Ohio attorneys.
Six of the violations arose from bribes Bozanich paid to a Youngstown municipal court judge presiding over his clients' cases. Court documents say former judge Patrick Kerrigan frequently asked Bozanich for up to $1,000 before trial.
< http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/PIO...ion.asp >
Quality information from a blog by Peter J. Bozanich..
State worker salary freeze approved
published 1/20/2011
< http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hinfo/sessiondaily.asp?storyid=2355 >
22% Raise?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,2:47 pm
typical govt lover. Instead of debating the data provided, you result to ad hominen attacks against a person.If you cannot refute the data then say so.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 09 2011,5:21 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 09 2011,2:47 pm)
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If you cannot refute the data then say so.
I've proved that you're full of crap..
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,6:16 pm
Ok, whatever, you win. Its your state that is shut down, so what do I care? I just don't really have the time nor patience to deal with spoon feed govt lovers.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 10 2011,7:13 am
I would say that those charts show that Reagan's trickle down ideology was a farce from the beginning . Where are all those jobs and good for America that was preached? It also does not break down what the top 2% are paying in percentage of earnings. Doesn't matter how you slice it. The middle class has been taken for a ride by your so called friends (republicans) in Washington and business. You want to throw percentages around? What percentage of a middle class person's earnings go to food and housing, and insurance as compared to 30 years ago?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2011,3:40 pm
< http://www.youtube.com/user...u >
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 10 2011,3:58 pm
(nedkelly @ Jul. 08 2011,3:38 pm)
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Go for the 62%... ...ned
...nedA little envious of the upper class? pfft...
Is it too late for you to make changes in your life to be less dependent on the wealthy?
Posted by grassman on Jul. 10 2011,5:19 pm
< http://youtu.be/eTqy4jyhMMQ >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 10 2011,5:46 pm
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ&feature=related >
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 11 2011,2:43 pm
Posted by grassman on Jul. 11 2011,9:27 pm
WE DON'T PAY TAXES, THE LITTLE PEOPLE, PAY TAXES. Let's see, who spoke them words?
Oh yeah, she left her dog, a millionaire! You little people are so, so gullible! Worry not my fellow Minnesota friends, I am about to send in my quarterly sales tax payment. We will survive this.
Are you with me?!
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 11 2011,10:26 pm
"I'm going to hold out for a fair budget for the people of Minnesota. I wouldn't have started down this path if I weren't willing to do it," Dayton said, announcing a tour of the state to tout his budget position. He will travel to St. Cloud on Tuesday and Rochester, Winona, Albert Lea and Moorhead later in the week.< http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/125388208.html >
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 12 2011,10:13 pm
(alcitizens @ Jul. 11 2011,10:26 pm)
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"I'm going to hold out for a fair budget for the people of Minnesota. I wouldn't have started down this path if I weren't willing to do it," Dayton said, announcing a tour of the state to tout his budget position. He will travel to St. Cloud on Tuesday and Rochester, Winona, Albert Lea and Moorhead later in the week.
< http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/125388208.html >
< http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/125388208.html >
so he is out campaigning while our state is experiencing a financial tornado!
he is out explaining why he has vetoed every plan that has crossed his desk?
it is the republicans fault...
it is the democrats fault...
WHO CARES...JUST GET THE JOB DONE ALREADY
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 12 2011,10:16 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 09 2011,12:59 pm)
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Stone
In a short answer: YES.
Also it is not the taxpayers responsibility nor the govt, to provide a safety net, that responsibility falls on the individual. We make every effort to provide for the bad economic days when they hit. A little common sense with a budget, investments in stocks, 401k, ROTHS,ect. and limiting non essential purchases. People do not need to have everything, at times you have to do without.
And you seem to think that wealth is a shared item among all, when it isn't. The poor are poor, well because they are poor and have every opportunity to change their situation with alot of hard work, but most do not want to put in the hard work and effort and expect everything to be handed to them because life isn't fair. Well WAAAAAHH life ain't fair, get use to it. There is always going to be the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. This is the way it is and the way it will always be.
UMMM, WTF? does this have to do with anything.
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So you're advocating for huge tax breaks on higher income people while at the same time advocating for wiping out the safety net. A safety net you may need one day.
In a short answer: YES.
Also it is not the taxpayers responsibility nor the govt, to provide a safety net, that responsibility falls on the individual. We make every effort to provide for the bad economic days when they hit. A little common sense with a budget, investments in stocks, 401k, ROTHS,ect. and limiting non essential purchases. People do not need to have everything, at times you have to do without.
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You want 90% of the wealth to go to the top 10% while at the same time making sure the poor get nothing or far less.
And you seem to think that wealth is a shared item among all, when it isn't. The poor are poor, well because they are poor and have every opportunity to change their situation with alot of hard work, but most do not want to put in the hard work and effort and expect everything to be handed to them because life isn't fair. Well WAAAAAHH life ain't fair, get use to it. There is always going to be the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. This is the way it is and the way it will always be.
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Why...because of your views on abortion?
UMMM, WTF? does this have to do with anything.
Right on grinning dragon!!!
Posted by bianca on Jul. 13 2011,10:29 am
An e-mail sent out by Gov. Mark Dayton’s office Tuesday evening states Dayton will be in Albert Lea Wednesday for an afternoon meeting with Albert Lea Economic Development Agency leaders.No time for the public to meet with the governor has been outlined.
The visit is one of several Dayton is making around the state to explain his side of the budget crisis, including what he’s standing up for in the state budget and what’s at stake for the state during a government shutdown.
I think it's great that he's holding, not folding, and he's talking to the communities. Good for him. Hopefully ALEDA will speak for all of us, truthfully.
Posted by bianca on Jul. 13 2011,12:45 pm
Good job on the editorial today. It seems illogical for candidates to tell voters during campaigns that they will refuse to compromise and then assume the members of the other party simply will give in to their demands.
This no-compromise thinking has been touted by Tea Party members nationwide. It has been touted by candidates across the country elected on the issue of abortion, and it was touted by the Republicans in Minnesota in the 2010 campaigns regarding taxes and budgets.
There is no doubt they have stuck to their guns.
However, the writing on the wall is clear. Nobody wins without compromise.
If the state shutdown is to end, the Republicans in the Minnesota Legislature will have to allow a tax increase on the wealthy. Gov. Mark Dayton told the voters in 2010 he would tax the wealthy, and the voters elected him. It would be hard to argue a tax on the wealthy is something the people of Minnesota were not expecting.
The GOP argument that a tax increase of the richest Minnesotans would be harmful in these poor economic times remains unproven. However, not approving a tax increase would result in more property tax increases. What voters deserve to hear from politicians is whether they think tax increases on the middle class would harm the economy and whether decreases in government services would harm the economy.
Dayton and the DFL members again and again have offered compromises. Dayton can be patient because knows the Republicans face re-election in 2012 and he faces re-election 2014.
Give the governor his tax increase, then let the voters decide which side was right and which side was wrong. That’s usually how compromise goes. It’s classic American politics.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 13 2011,1:13 pm
I still don't get how some of you think you have the right to someone else's money just because they make more than you.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 13 2011,4:32 pm
I still don't get how it is that everyone is pointing fingers at the GOP like they have done nothing. That isn't the case. They worked with the Dems time and time again before the shut down. Everyone compromised, and came up with the $$$ without raising taxes on ANYONE. Dayton said (everytime)"This isn't what I want, or how I want it". (paraphrased a bit). Because of that, and that alone, we are in a stalemate. Of course now all the Dems are saying they were never for anything thrown out by the GOP...now is the time everyone can point fingers. If Dayton would see there are ways around this..legit ways around this...and be willing to accept them...then everyone can go forward.
Posted by ALAngst on Jul. 13 2011,11:41 pm
I miss the rest stops being open. Now I have to stop at a gas station and use their restrooms and since I feel guilty using their restrooms without buying anything I end up buying something. So in a way the economy is doing better because the state is shutdown.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 15 2011,9:16 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 10 2011,3:58 pm)
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(nedkelly @ Jul. 08 2011,3:38 pm)
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Go for the 62%... ...ned
...nedA little envious of the upper class? pfft...
Is it too late for you to make changes in your life to be less dependent on the wealthy?
I don't understand the idea that if America were to ask the wealthy to pay more in taxes, it is somehow envy or class warfare. Our history clearly shows every time we engaged in war (until the 21st Century, of course) income taxes went up dramatically, particularly to the wealthy.
< National Archives - Civil War taxes >
See, even in the days of Lincoln it was progressive. The poor paid nothing if they made below $800 a year--which would be pretty close to $6000 a year now if you check an inflation calculator. It was part of the war effort, only the people who identify themselves proudly as Teapartiers or Reagan-republicans seem to think we can have war and increased spending on defense without actually paying for it.
< 1930-1980 tax rates >
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I still don't get how some of you think you have the right to someone else's money just because they make more than you.
We don't. I've only met a few CEO's in my life, and I don't recall asking them for anything. In fact, I was a house guest of one several times and he was a hell of a nice guy. But if you want to talk about historical precedent, don't ask me, check the links I gave above, or a history book.
My point is, there's no hard feelings against the wealthy, but they'll have to pay taxes. If you can give me a scenario where we'll have all the F-22's and predator drones money can buy, and somehow it'll come out of thin air and the wealthy can keep all their money, I'm open to looking at it. But until then, cutting spending for all the Presidential libraries or Planned Parenthood clinics isn't going to do it.
Walk into a coffee shop and ask a few people if they think it's fair to ask the wealthy to pay what they did during previous wars (you know, the ones that were funded). Just until we pay off the debt. Again, it's not a new idea, America used to view this as patriotism. Now patriotism is saying no to taxing the wealthy and yes to Chinese made magnets. Go figure...
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 17 2011,9:37 pm
wow...
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2011,1:43 pm
The budget deal is falling apart the Republican leadership can't find the votes among their own membership!
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 18 2011,2:09 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 18 2011,1:43 pm)
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The budget deal is falling apart the Republican leadership can't find the votes among their own membership!
Sources?
I haven't heard anything like that. I have heard the talks over the bills aren't going as fast as they had hoped. That coming from KTTC, KAAL, and the Trib (who I believe copies AP).
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 19 2011,3:28 am
“They're miles apart on some of the policy issues,” < http://www.kimt.com/content...jA.cspx >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2011,5:59 am
(ControlledHyperness @ Jul. 18 2011,2:09 pm)
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Sources?
Mondays Star Tribune
Chance for quick budget deal fades
< http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/125722713.html >
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 19 2011,2:21 pm
Star Trib I will buy...but KIMT and sometimes to a point the Star Trib will put things just to stir the pot. That said...Special Session to pass the budget at 3 this afternoon. So much for talks fading...
Posted by nedkelly on Jul. 20 2011,12:14 pm
What really is the difference between borrow and spend and tax and spend...WTF...... ......ned
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 20 2011,12:17 pm
I agree Ned. It is a frggin' shell game and we all lose. They should all be ashamed and fired.
Posted by Stone-Magnon on Jul. 20 2011,1:14 pm
"What really is the difference between borrow and spend?"Borrowing puts the pain on future generations. Spending puts the pain on the present generation.
I say no spending OR borrowing without cutting. All government on every level is too big and and spends too much.
Look, I'm the future...I'm always ahead of the curve. I spoke up on pot in the heat of the drug war. Decades later and the people are coming over too my side because I'm right and speak the truth. You idiots don't...plain and simple. Go back and read what you said ten years ago and it looks retarded just what you say now will in ten years. Because you never learned to think. I learned to think in Junior High. It was called Algebra. All our problems would be solved if all voters had to pass a simple Algebra test.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 20 2011,2:05 pm
yeah, what were we thinking not listening to someone with multiple personality disorder issues..
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 20 2011,2:43 pm
You can't possibly think that letting only the nerds vote is a good idea.I've met some very intelligent people that can't do simple algebra.