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I'm no fan of the ATF and their tendancy to be overzealous (yes, that's an understatement).  But GunWalker seems to contradict the usual gun rhetoric when it comes to crimes.  Instead of blaming the killer I always see people blaming Holder and Obama for it, the ATF, etc.  

I have yet to see a story on Gunwalker or the political pics blaming the real killers.  You have to dig around for a while to hear anything about those involved in the actual shooting.  Who are they, what happened, are Issa and Grassley investigating them and trying to make sure they're all brought to justice?  Or, are they focusing on political points.   :p

Nope, it's the fault of the Attorney General and the POTUS, the bosses, bosses, bosses, bosses, boss of the people who didn't stop the ones who bought the guns.  People get guns from others all the time, from legitimate and not so legal means, but because it's an easy way to blame the White House we're talking about subpoenas of Fast and Furious, if it wasn't that we'd still be talking about birth certificates and Rev. Wright.  Typical stuff, before it was checking a blue dress and land in Arkansas.   :;):

Simple solution for any President to avoid these kind of scandals, disband the ATF.  Alcohol and Tobacco is a public health issue more than criminal so it's not like that's a lot of manpower other than collecting taxes and such, and the firearms part I would trust more to just about any other agency in the whole alphabet soup.


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Looks like the DHS will have to decide which senior leaders they are going to demote again.

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WASHINGTON — Even as they lost scores of illegal firearms in their Fast and Furious operation, federal ATF agents asked their Border Patrol counterparts not to pursue criminal leads or track gun smuggling in southern Arizona so they could follow the firearms themselves, and senior Homeland Security agents “complied and the leads were not investigated,” according to a new Department of Homeland Security inspector general’s report.

The report, obtained Thursday by The Times, also said that a Homeland Security special agent on the border was collaborating with the ATF in Fast and Furious, but his “senior leaders” in Arizona never read his updates about fundamental flaws with the failed gun tracking operation. Had they done so, Homeland Security officials could have tried to close down the operation before one of their Border Patrol agents, Brian Terry, was killed not far from Tucson.
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WASHINGTON—A high-powered rifle lost in the ATF’s Fast and Furious controversy was used to kill a Mexican police chief in the state of Jalisco earlier this year, according to internal Department of Justice records, suggesting that weapons from the failed gun-tracking operation have now made it into the hands of violent drug cartels deep inside Mexico.

A semi-automatic WASR rifle, the firearm that killed the chief, was traced back to the Lone Wolf Trading Company, a gun store in Glendale, Ariz. The notation on the Department of Justice trace records said the WASR was used in a “HOMICIDE – WILLFUL – KILL –PUB OFF –GUN” –ATF code for “Homicide, Willful Killing of a Public Official, Gun.”

Hundreds of firearms were lost in the Fast and Furious operation. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed illegal purchasers to buy the firearms at the Lone Wolf store in the Phoenix suburb and other gun shops in hopes of tracing them to Mexican cartel leaders.

The WASR used in Jalisco was purchased on Feb. 22, 2010, about three months into the Fast and Furious operation, by 26-year-old Jacob A. Montelongo of Phoenix.

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These weapons are out there thanks to barry and company, and I am afraid these weapons are going to plague people for years.  smh

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I don't believe the Fast and Furious story whatsoever. The whole "tracking the firearms back to drug cartels". No.

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How the US gave guns to Mexican cartels

In September 2009, John Dodson, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, was assigned to the ATF’s Phoenix office. What he found there shocked him. The bureau was encouraging gun dealers to sell weapons in bulk to known straw buyers, who would funnel those guns to Mexican drug cartels. Known as Operation Fast and Furious, it ended with the death of at least one American law enforcement officer. Dodson became a congressional whistleblower, and the investigation into the operation is ongoing. In this exclusive excerpt from his new book, “The Unarmed Truth,” Dodson explains how tragically inept Fast and Furious was.


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On Dec. 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry came across a group of suspected illegal immigrants near Mexico.

He was shot and killed by an AK-47 variant rifle.

It was a gun Avila had bought in January 2010. A gun we let go.

Some politicians and the media like to think the Fast and Furious scandal is over, that we know what happened and it’s no big deal. But three years later, the White House still refuses to release all documents on the operation. Officials refuse to say who knew about the gun walking. The Mexican government say 211 people have been killed by guns from Fast and Furious, including police officers. The body count will only increase.

And Attorney General Eric Holder, despite being held in contempt by Congress, still has a job.

We gave thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels. Americans died. Where is the outrage?


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So the "whistle blower" was motivated by a book deal just like the CBS Benghazi "witness"?

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^You mean this?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax...8


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Fox News hammers that 4 Americans died in Benghazi over and over and over.. Bush sentenced 7000 Americans to death in Iraq and Afghanistan.. He also sent many to their deaths while he was Governor of Texas..

Just curious how many cops die every year in the line of duty and who supplied the guns that killed them..

How many people die crossing the street every year??

Maddog is full of blow.. :rofl:
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^ it's amazing how shrill the defenders of the guilty become

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