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alcitizens 
Albert Lea
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Posted on: Sep. 20 2012,3:02 pm |
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(Botto) QUOTE So what in your vast experience leads you to believe what GD said is so implausible?
Please, enlighten us.
Because it all started under George W. Bush.. You know, the party of the NRA..
QUOTE In his 471-page report, Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody |
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 20 2012,10:52 pm |
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2012,3:02 pm)
QUOTE (Botto) QUOTE So what in your vast experience leads you to believe what GD said is so implausible?
Please, enlighten us. Because it all started under George W. Bush.. You know, the party of the NRA.. QUOTE In his 471-page report, Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody
First off, I am NOT a member of the NRA, I am though; a member of the GOA. A much better organization than the NRA. Second. I am not a republican nor a democrat, I do not subscribe to any of their ideology, I see them more or less of the same cloth and two sides of the same coin.
Anyways I digress.
Oh, I see, so a failed scheme launched under the bush admin, was more than enough to super-size a failed OP and rename it Fast and Furious? Why would any moron in the barry admin willingly relaunch a failed OP? These OPs serve NO PURPOSE what so ever, other than waste taxpayer dollars that could be used on more important things like, OH I don't know,...paying our troops or maybe the DEBT!!!!
There IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ASSAULT RIFLE. No need to resurrect a failed AWB law that DID nothing and had ZERO effect. The next agenda making its way through the courts is whittling away at the NFA.
Now, lets look at the differences between OWR and OFF shall we...
Wide Receiver was less than one-quarter the size of Fast and Furious, involving about 500 guns. About 450 guns made it across the border into Mexico. Not only was Fast and Furious much larger, but it was only one of several gun walking operations launched by the Obama Administration. In fact, intrepid CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson says she has “found allegations of gun walking in at least 10 cities in five states.”
Unlike the Obama Administration programs, there actually was a serious attempt made to track the Wide Receiver weapons. Some of them were fitted with radio tracking devices. The cartel gun buyers figured out how to defeat the tracking system by driving around in circles, until the tracking planes ran out of fuel and were forced to return to base. Also, some of the tracking devices were damaged when ATF agents improperly inserted them into the guns.
By contrast, one of the signature features of Obama gun walking is that absolutely no effort to track the guns was ever in place. ATF agents have testified they were expressly ordered to stand down when they tried to follow the cartel straw purchasers.
Special Agent In Charge Bill Newell, That’s right – the same Phoenix ATF supervisor who became famous during the investigation of Fast and Furious was involved with Operation Wide Receiver. He’s also the ATF agent that originally told Congress that he mentioned gun walking in a roundabout way to his old buddy Kevin O’Reilly of the White House national security staff, who he communicates with maybe three or four times a year… only to be exposed as a liar when the same document dump that put AG Holder in jeopardy of perjury charges revealed a constant stream of emails between Newell and O’Reilly, lasting over a month.
Operation Wide Receiver was, by all accounts, shut down after its weapons dropped off the grid, and the ATF realized it had blundered. Operation Fast and Furious was only shut down because two of its weapons were discovered at the scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder. According to congressional testimony, the Terry shooting – along with the mistaken suspicion that Tucson mass murderer Jared Loughner might have been packing a Fast and Furious gun – panicked top ATF brass into halting its gun walking operations.
The Obama Justice Department cobbled together significant inter-agency co-operation for its huge gun walking programs. As Kurt Hofmann of the Gun Rights Examiner notes, “At this point, we don’t seem to have any evidence that earlier ‘gunwalking’ involved the FBI, the DEA, DHS, the State Department, the IRS, and even the White House Security Council.”
And, of course, there was no massive cover-up of Wide Receiver. No senior Administration officials committed perjury to distance themselves from it. The ATF was not exactly advertising the existence of the operation, or its unhappy conclusion, but that’s very different from the thick stone wall Obama and his people tried to build around their far larger and deadlier operations.
Again why anyone would resurrect a stupid and failed attempt, and then turn the whole thing into such an EPIC FAILURE, but then again not really surprising given the track record of barry's administration has been one abject EPIC FAILURE that would make carter look like a good president that knew what he was doing.
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alcitizens
Albert Lea
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Posted on: Sep. 21 2012,2:27 am |
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The Bush Justice Department cobbled together significant inter-agency co-operation for gun walking programs to make money and if something went wrong they would blame it on the Obama administration.
The inter-agency operatives praised how wonderful Operation Wide Receiver was to get the Obama Justice Department to go along with a new operation. The money made letting guns walk was amazing and it was all done in CASH. Nobody really knows how many guns were allowed to walk, how much money was made or who profited.
Then Border Agent Terry gets shot and ATF insiders start to surface pointing fingers at the Justice Department and the ATF.
I like my fictitious story better than yours.. 
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 30 2012,12:26 pm |
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Seems Univision is running a report on FnF
The Obama administration clearly hoped that the Department of Justice’s Inspector General report on Operation Fast and Furious would be the last word on the scandal. which has been tied to hundreds of deaths in Mexico and the murders of two American law-enforcement officials. However, a new report from Univision to be broadcast tomorrow, previewed here by ABC News, may put the issue back on the front pages. One source called Univision’s findings the “holy grail” that Congressional investigators have been seeking:
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QUOTE Often lost amid the rancor in Washington are the stories of dozens of people killed by guns that flowed south as part of the undercover operation, and later slipped out of view from U.S. officials. Univision’s Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010.
The guns didn’t stop in Mexico, either:
QUOTE Additional guns, previously unreported by congressional investigators, found their way into the hands of drug traffickers across Latin America in countries such as, Honduras and Colombia, as well as the U.S. Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. A person familiar with the recent congressional hearings called Univision’s findings “the holy grail” that Congress had been searching for.
The Daily Caller also reports on Univision’s findings and the impact they may have on the scandal:
QUOTE “The consequences of the controversial ‘Fast and Furious’ undercover operation put in place by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in 2009 have been deadlier than what has been made public to date,” the network said. “The exclusive, in-depth investigation by Univision News’ award-winning Investigative Unit — Univision Investiga — has found that the guns that crossed the border as part of Operation Fast and Furious caused dozens of deaths inside Mexico.”
Among other groups of Fast and Furious victim stories Univision says it will tell in the special to air Sunday evening at 7 p.m., is one about how “16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010″ were gunned down with weapons the Obama administration gave to drug cartel criminals through Fast and Furious.
“Univision News’ Investigative Unit was also able to identify additional guns that escaped the control of ATF agents and were used in different types of crimes throughout Mexico,” the network added. “Furthermore, some of these guns — none of which were reported by congressional investigators — were put in the hands of drug traffickers in Honduras, Puerto Rico, and Colombia. A person familiar with the recent congressional hearings called Univision’s findings ‘the holy grail’ that Congress had been searching for.”
Sharyl Attkisson at CBS News reminds us that the Obama administration is still hiding Kevin O’Reilly, a key figure in Operation Fast and Furious:
QUOTE O’Reilly, then a White House National Security staffer, had phone and email exchanges about Fast and Furious from July 2010 to Feb. 2011 with the lead ATF official on the case: ATF Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell. Just days after Newell testified to Congress on July 26, 2011 that he’d shared information with O’Reilly, whom he described as a long time friend, O’Reilly was transferred to Iraq and not available for questioning. Thereafter, he declined interviews with congressional investigators and the IG.
In a letter sent to O’Reilly’s attorney Thursday, Issa and Grassley state that O’Reilly’s “sudden transfer” to Iraq took him out of pocket in their investigation, and placed him in a position that had already been given to somebody else, raising “serious questions about O’Reilly’s assignment in Baghdad (and) the motivation for his transfer there.” …
“Given that O’Reilly was the link connecting the White House to the scandal, and that the President subsequently asserted executive privilege over the documents pertaining to Fast and Furious, it is imperative that the American people get to the bottom of O’Reilly’s involvement with Fast and Furious,” says the letter to O’Reilly’s attorney.
It goes on to say that if O’Reilly does not agree to an interview within 30 days, congressional Republicans will have no choice but to “use compulsory process” or subpoena power to require his testimony.
The Univision report will air at 7 pm ET tomorrow night, with English-language subtitles.
Gets pretty bad that a foreign news agency has to ask the tough questions or put out a investigative report, that our very own MSM should have done to begin with.
source: http://hotair.com/archive...furious
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Posted on: Sep. 30 2012,2:06 pm |
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Have you read the IG report, or are you just parroting crap you've heard on hate/talk radio?
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Funkadelic Zombie Hunter
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Univision News special involves 57 previously unreported firearms from Fast and Furious that were reportedly used in a number of murders and kidnappings
Mexican Army documents obtained exclusively by Univision News:
On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.
The Univision News report also revealed that other ATF offices outside of Arizona initiated similar gunrunning programs.
An ATF field division in Florida reportedly launched “Operation Castaway,” which put weapons in the hands of criminals in Colombia, Honduras and Venezuela, according to Hugh Crumpler, the lead informant in the case, who talked to Univision News from a prison cell.
In Texas, even more weapons were allowed to cross into Mexico under ATF supervision, according to court documents and testimony of Magdalena Avila Villalobos, the sister of an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent who exchanged gunfire with cartel hit men alongside Jaime Zapata on a rural highway in Mexico in February 2011. Zapata was killed during the confrontation.
Their is blood on their hands the adminstrations hands
Yep...Nothing to see here move along, move along the obama adminstration will keep you safe and secure handing out trinkets while your country burns down to the ground.
What is this...
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, have pressed, unsuccessfully, for an interview with Kevin O'Reilly for a year. O'Reilly also declined to speak to the Department of Justice Inspector General (IG) who investigated Fast and Furious. Last week, the IG issued a scathing report that criticized many officials at ATF, the Justice Department and the U.S. Attorney's office and said O'Reilly had declined to be interviewed.
O'Reilly, then a White House National Security staffer, had phone and email exchanges about Fast and Furious from July 2010 to Feb. 2011 with the lead ATF official on the case: ATF Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell.
The rathole keeps getting deeper and deeper while the bodies keep piling up and up this cover up makes watergate look like amature hour at least nobody died in the watergate scandal
Just more bumps in the road obama?
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