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busybee 
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Posted on: Jul. 21 2010,11:51 pm |
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QUOTE Seriously, we can't let these young people go about there lives and continue on? Well, we can't for one of them, right? The young man in this case must be deemed a sex predator and have his life and future completely destroyed?
His life and future is not destroyed, nor is he deemed a sex predator for life...unless he doesn't abide by the PROMISES he made to the District Court through the plea bargain he chose.
QUOTE Why, what purpose does that serve? Is this guy really a pedophile predator?
That has yet to be determined... 
That's why this guy is allowed to PLEA BARGAIN and BE an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT with a SAY of whether or not HE is capable of COMPLYING with PROBATION CONDITIONS instead of going to TRIAL.
QUOTE C'mon...He was 19 and a male. He was young and horny and so was she. This has been going on since the beginning of time.
This isn't the beginning of time anymore. 
It's against the law for 19 year old ADULTS to have intercourse with 13 year old CHILDREN now (the present)...something this 19 year old male could have respected as the majority of 19 year old males make the choice to do.
Being a 19 year old horny male ADULT is not an excuse to have intercourse with a 13 year old female CHILD more than once. 
QUOTE So now we must turn this person into a lifelong criminal, spend a million dollars and all because why again?
"WE" didn't turn this person into a lifelong criminal and I don't understand why you're claiming this. 
Mr. Holtzworth plea bargained right?
He made the choice to PROMISE to be law-abiding, meet and follow through with the conditions of probation, rather than choosing to go to trial with a Jury of his peers or with a Judge and risk being incarcerated.
If Mr. Holtzworth follows what he PROMISED as the article you posted explains... "As part of his probation, Alex William Holtzworth, 22, will not be allowed to contact the victim. He will also register with the predatory offender list and enroll in sex offender classes..."
you're "friend's LIFE" is NOT ruined forever by no means of society, the legal or judicial system...
You do understand that "you're friend" could even be RELEASED of his probation EARLY and ask for the charges to be VACATED entirely IF he takes 100% responsibility for HIS choice as an ADULT!
Probation is the CHANCE Mr. Holtzworth is afforded by the U.S. Judicial System to PROVE himself to have been nothing more than an "innocent" 19 year old horny adult male who made the poor choice to have intercourse with the same 13 year old female child more than once.
No matter how much YOU try to "criminalize" the Judicial System, Laws and SOCIETY in this case...if Mr. Holtzworth screws up his probation and doesn't PROVE himself worthy of PROBATION...that will be HIS PERSONAL CHOICE & FAILURE...NO ONE ELSE'S!!!!
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,12:00 am |
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What gets lost in this equation is the fact that a 19 year old can be only 13 -15 emotionally. I have done many evals. just like this, and after talking to the person you would think they were 14. Late emotional development tends to be more prevelant in males. (I give you gijoeman). Anyway, just something else to consider.
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busybee
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,12:12 am |
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QUOTE Maybe it's time PARENTS start taking the heat for letting their teen girls out wearing nothing but underwear. Maybe it's time PARENTS start teaching their girls about VALUES. Maybe it's time that society recognizes that kids these days are more sexually mature earlier than the parents were. Maybe, just maybe, if the mexican influence of "la quinceanera" should be more closely examined (it is, after all, the rite of passage of sexual maturity of the female in mexican culture) AND ABOLISHED!
Maybe it's time for PARENTS to START taking the heat for letting their teen boys out thinking they have the right to have intercourse with any female that looks like it's over 18 and doesn't prove they are wearing underwear?
Maybe it's time for PARENTS to start teaching their BOYS about VALUES...that how a female dresses isn't an invitation for intercourse with a U.S. male, no matter their age, economic status, race, authority, ect...
Maybe it's time for the U.S. Citizens & Society to recognize that being 18 years is the AGE of ADULT consent and there is NO EXCUSE for an U.S. citizen to take advantage of another U.S. Citizen because they are not of this LEGAL ADULT AGE CONSENT yet.
Other Countries outside the U.S. need not apply to change or alter the rules/laws the U.S. of America pursues with it's OWN CITIZENS!
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,12:49 am |
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Gijoeman or Boyenga's crap is an open book of how to germinate, plant, harvest, hang and dry. 
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busybee
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,1:45 am |
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 ...A.L. Citizen!
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White Pride
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,2:44 am |
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(busybee @ Jul. 22 2010,12:12 am)
QUOTE QUOTE Maybe it's time PARENTS start taking the heat for letting their teen girls out wearing nothing but underwear. Maybe it's time PARENTS start teaching their girls about VALUES. Maybe it's time that society recognizes that kids these days are more sexually mature earlier than the parents were. Maybe, just maybe, if the mexican influence of "la quinceanera" should be more closely examined (it is, after all, the rite of passage of sexual maturity of the female in mexican culture) AND ABOLISHED! Maybe it's time for PARENTS to START taking the heat for letting their teen boys out thinking they have the right to have intercourse with any female that looks like it's over 18 and doesn't prove they are wearing underwear? Maybe it's time for PARENTS to start teaching their BOYS about VALUES...that how a female dresses isn't an invitation for intercourse with a U.S. male, no matter their age, economic status, race, authority, ect... Maybe it's time for the U.S. Citizens & Society to recognize that being 18 years is the AGE of ADULT consent and there is NO EXCUSE for an U.S. citizen to take advantage of another U.S. Citizen because they are not of this LEGAL ADULT AGE CONSENT yet. Other Countries outside the U.S. need not apply to change or alter the rules/laws the U.S. of America pursues with it's OWN CITIZENS!
If I didn't know any better, it sure would look like you are blaming the male here... I'd be willing to bet that it was mutual consent that brought these two together, and kept it going repeatedly. To imply it was the male's fault is a bit stereotypical, to say the least. Have you bothered to see how these young women advertise? I would say that would border on the line of entrapment. Just take a look at the natural world, will you? When species of all life forms want sex, they display their goods. OUR society has the females doing the MAJORITY of the advertising. When a female, regardless of age, wears tight, push-up type underwear under low-cut tops and high-cut shorts, what heterosexual male isn't going to take notice? Add to the mix a bit of outright flirtation and perhaps touching, and it's next to impossible to think with the right "mind." But, since you are who you are, I don't think you can ever understand this point of view.
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I'm an ENGLISH speaking white GERMAN-AMERICAN, and DAMN PROUD OF IT!
What bothers people more... the fact others disagree w/them, or that the others just might be right after all?
If you're being stupid, acting stupid, or just plain stupid, I will not hesitate to let u know!
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busybee
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,11:24 am |
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QUOTE If I didn't know any better, it sure would look like you are blaming the male here...
If I didn't know any better, it sure looked like you were blaming female children under the age of 18 and their parents... 
QUOTE I'd be willing to bet that it was mutual consent that brought these two together, and kept it going repeatedly.
"Mutual consent" is not a valid defense or excuse according to how this law is applied. Gender is not a defense of excuse either.
The numerical age difference between being an adult and a child is what this law addresses.
QUOTE To imply it was the male's fault is a bit stereotypical, to say the least.
To imply that a 13 year old female child is half to blame for a 19 year old adult male's choice to break the law is a bit stereotypical.
QUOTE Have you bothered to see how these young women advertise? I would say that would border on the line of entrapment.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that ADULT males over the age of 18 are the victims of entrapment to female children under the age of 18?
QUOTE Just take a look at the natural world, will you? When species of all life forms want sex, they display their goods. OUR society has the females doing the MAJORITY of the advertising. When a female, regardless of age, wears tight, push-up type underwear under low-cut tops and high-cut shorts, what heterosexual male isn't going to take notice? Add to the mix a bit of outright flirtation and perhaps touching, and it's next to impossible to think with the right "mind."
Yep...seems that's what you are trying to tell me.
QUOTE But, since you are who you are, I don't think you can ever understand this point of view.
I like who I am and you're correct...I won't choose to understand this point of view about male's over the age of 18 deciding to have intercourse with female children under the age of 18.
It seems to me you are degrading adult males in our society by portraying them as not having the ability to choose a female to have intercourse with.
I don't see adult males in our society as a mindless species without the ability to make decisions for themselves. If you want to push that agenda and blame it on society and females, that's your choice.
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Posted on: Jul. 22 2010,12:53 pm |
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(White Pride @ Jul. 22 2010,2:44 am)
QUOTE When a female, regardless of age, wears tight, push-up type underwear under low-cut tops and high-cut shorts, what heterosexual male isn't going to take notice? Add to the mix a bit of outright flirtation and perhaps touching, and it's next to impossible to think with the right "mind."
Suppose I have a hot girlfriend who, in the course of getting ready for work, walks around the house buck naked, all the while expressing her more-than-positive feelings for yours truly while running a bath, washing her hair, and so on. To hear you tell it, I now have license to grab her, throw her down on the bed, and have my way with her, whether she really wants to or not, and subsequently blame her for that.
If that's what you're trying to say, then you really did fall out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down... 
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