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How does one explain all the centuries-old buildings in Europe and Asia still standing? The oldest part of the old high school would have been less than 90 years old, and the WPA core much less, never mind the 1968 additions.

Those that argue that the building was maintained poorly while it was still being used as a school better take a look at the maintenance overhead at the new school, to see if everything that can be done to prevent this again is being done, as I doubt the new facility can boast the engineering and craftsmanship of the old one.

A small adjustment to maintenance budgets now will avoid a big adjustment in building construction costs later.

The "centuries-old buildings" in Europe have dedicated maintenance crews.

When I lived there, scaffolding was a "natural" part of the skyline in most cities...

Because of their less than 40 hour work week, it was a common site and it seemed like it took forever for them to finish a building.

That's why I have a lot patience for our road crews here.  They are pretty fast when you consider their European counterparts.
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The "centuries-old buildings" in Europe have dedicated maintenance crews.

What's the difference?  It isn't like our schools and courthouse don't have maintenance crews either way.  It seemed like we actually had to hire MORE people after they got a new building and tore down the old.

You hear about how we spent tens of millions on this new courthouse and jail only to find out later that the roof leaks and Gabe was hiding it the whole time to avoid a complaint to one of the companies he later got a job with?  We pour a fortune into maintenance whether it's a new or old building, and oddly enough we seem to see a huge increase in maintenance and jailers after our new state of the art facilities are built.


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Someone needs BMW they don't need to build any new buildings.  I toured the campus in Munich and it is a blend of old and new  buildings.  They must not have gotten the memo.
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The "centuries-old buildings" in Europe have dedicated maintenance crews.

What's the difference?  It isn't like our schools and courthouse don't have maintenance crews either way.  It seemed like we actually had to hire MORE people after they got a new building and tore down the old.

You hear about how we spent tens of millions on this new courthouse and jail only to find out later that the roof leaks and Gabe was hiding it the whole time to avoid a complaint to one of the companies he later got a job with?  We pour a fortune into maintenance whether it's a new or old building, and oddly enough we seem to see a huge increase in maintenance and jailers after our new state of the art facilities are built.

There isn't.  I'm just pointing out that just because Europe has a lot of older buildings, it doesn't mean that they are without maintenance issues.

I was against the new court house being built.  One would hope that the construction company, that was hired, warranties their work for a certain number of years.

Did the County have one in place?
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Jim can claim "user fees" all he wants.  They are tax dollars.


Yes, they are.  They are taxes on the people that use airports. :D

Don't worry--none of your Federal or State tax dollars are going for airports.

Here's a link to the original Federal bill.  nullMy Webpage

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The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) provides funding for the federal commitment to the aviation system of the United States of America through several aviation-related excise taxes.[1] It was established on the books of the United States Department of the Treasury in 1971. The existence of an accumulated surplus in the fund has led some to question whether users of the aviation system are receiving their fair share of government spending given the aviation excise taxes they pay.
 The tax is on aviation fuel, oil, parts, passenger emplanements, charter flights, aircraft registration, and cargo.

As mentioned, the Trust Fund runs a SURPLUS--and any politician wants to get their hands on "extra" money.

MN/DOT Aeronautics is also self supporting for airport development.  They have a similar system of fees for users--here's the link My Webpage

Like the Federal program, the MN/DOT Trust Fund runs a surplus--the State "borrowed" $15 million a couple of years ago to balance the budget--and paid it back.  Last year, it did it again, but HASN'T paid it back.  I guess the politicians at the state level can't resist a pot full of money unspent, either.

Can you cite any example of the State or Federal spending on airports from the General Revenue funds? :dunno:

User fees, properly administered, are the most fair way to fund government projects.  People should be more insistent that HIGHWAYS were funded from the money collected by car registrations and fuel tax instead of disappearing into the general fund.  Libbies like to complain about lack of road and bridge maintenance--demand that the State use the money it collects for the purpose it was collected.


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Jim can claim "user fees" all he wants.  They are tax dollars.


Yes, they are.  They are taxes on the people that use airports. :D

Don't worry--none of your Federal or State tax dollars are going for airports.

Here's a link to the original Federal bill.  nullMy Webpage

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Airport and Airway Trust Fund
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) provides funding for the federal commitment to the aviation system of the United States of America through several aviation-related excise taxes.[1] It was established on the books of the United States Department of the Treasury in 1971. The existence of an accumulated surplus in the fund has led some to question whether users of the aviation system are receiving their fair share of government spending given the aviation excise taxes they pay.
 The tax is on aviation fuel, oil, parts, passenger emplanements, charter flights, aircraft registration, and cargo.

As mentioned, the Trust Fund runs a SURPLUS--and any politician wants to get their hands on "extra" money.

MN/DOT Aeronautics is also self supporting for airport development.  They have a similar system of fees for users--here's the link My Webpage

Like the Federal program, the MN/DOT Trust Fund runs a surplus--the State "borrowed" $15 million a couple of years ago to balance the budget--and paid it back.  Last year, it did it again, but HASN'T paid it back.  I guess the politicians at the state level can't resist a pot full of money unspent, either.

Can you cite any example of the State or Federal spending on airports from the General Revenue funds? :dunno:

User fees, properly administered, are the most fair way to fund government projects.  People should be more insistent that HIGHWAYS were funded from the money collected by car registrations and fuel tax instead of disappearing into the general fund.  Libbies like to complain about lack of road and bridge maintenance--demand that the State use the money it collects for the purpose it was collected.

Wrong, those costs are passed on as higher costs.  Unless the airport is just for leisure travelers.
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Do y'all really care? Good grief the airport is a wreck. It needs work...and upkeep. Jim doesn't own the damn thing, he just is the manager. Why kill the messenger? Let's us all get back to whining about the KFC or some other business we may be able to kill.   :angry:

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Do y'all really care? Good grief the airport is a wreck. It needs work...and upkeep. Jim doesn't own the damn thing, he just is the manager. Why kill the messenger? Let's all get back to whining about the KFC or some other business we may be able to kill.   :angry:

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See!! now you have me repeating myself!!!!  :dunno:

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