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Posted on: Aug. 30 2009,1:54 pm |
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Links and sources like the ones you used in your Hollywood diatribe? 
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2009,2:01 pm |
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Once more I shall say that unless you have links and sources for your statement please go back to your room and watch Spongebob while the adults are having an intelligent conversation.
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2009,4:54 pm |
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Once more I shall say that unless you have links and sources for your statement please go back to your room and watch Spongebob while the adults are having an intelligent conversation.
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(Wareagle11B @ Aug. 30 2009,1:54 pm)
QUOTE Do I agree that healthcare needs to be reformed? Yes. Do I think that the government should be the one who takes it over and has the majority of the control in regards to healthcare? No.
Who else is going to reform health care? Do you think the insurance industry or prescription drug industry is going to reform itself in order to bring costs down? Cause I don't believe that for a second. To me, that reminds me what my Dad used to call "putting the fox in charge of the hen house."
QUOTE healthcare is not something that can have a price guide attached to it. When you take your car into the dealership or the mechanic of your choice you will usually be told the approximate cost of the repair BEFORE you have the work done. Most dealership shops will have a price guide posted for you to view so you have an idea of what it will cost you for new brakes, an oil change etc. Fast food places all have a price guide for you to examine BEFORE you purchase your food. The majority of the services we use in this country allow you to price shop for the best deal. Healthcare has no such opportunity due to the unknown factors of a persons ailment. You can't price shop for a doctor in the back of an ambulance via your Blackberry on the way to the hospital.
Good example, but I totally disagree on a number of things. First off, health care CAN do the same thing, but currently has no motivation to. If your mechanic could get away with never giving you an estimate, but he'd just tell you what you had to pay after it was done, he would too! Actually, many mechanics do this anyway, regardless of your example. Next time your at Hy Vee walk by Mayo's Express Care. They provide services for many everyday illnesses (strep throat, flu, allergies, etc.). The charges are posted outside much like your dealership analogy. Obviously if your unconcious or needing emergency surgery, you're not going to be in a position to price shop, but in many other examples people could do it more if they were more open about prices. Things can go wrong with an operation or diagnosis, but they can go wrong with a brake job, or diagnosing what's causing your car to overheat too. If you think automotive maintenance is as simple as you described, you've had a lot better luck than me. ;)
Certainly not ever procedure is a major operation where something will probably go wrong. They could easily show prices for checkups and simple routine procedures. If something goes wrong, it goes wrong, just like with anything else.
QUOTE Never mind that the patient waited 3 hours before finally coming in to be checked it is still the hospitals fault.
Is that an assumption on your part, or do you have an example of a hospital being held negligent by a state board because someone waited a few hours and died in the ER? I know a guy who did pass away in a very similar way as your example, and I don't remember the hospital being found at fault for anything.
Lawsuits are a lot more rare, and a lot harder to prove than what Rush or Hannity would have the public believe.
QUOTE Tort reform and the need to rein in the trial lawyers and their sue happy mentality is a good place to start. If we could hold these people accountable for their actions in the same way we hold the doctors and hospitals accountable perhaps we would see some change in the cost of healthcare.
:Yawn: No matter how many times I prove this wrong, it keeps coming up... 
Tort reform hasn't been proven to reduce costs for anyone besides the doctors or hospitals. Regardless of what they tell you, those savings DON'T get passed on to the consumer. Look at every example so far of caps enacted in states and you'll see those states have INCREASED health care costs, NOT decreased. It's a myth that's been told so many times that it's simply passed off as the truth.
If you don't believe me, I've listed numerous sources for this in the Obamacare thread. Texas is the new conservative haven for Tort reform, and yet they're health care costs have INCREASED even more than Mn since 2000.
Second, if you think that ALL doctors and hospitals are currently being held accountable for negligence, you must have a higher regard for our legal system than I do. Plantiffs have what you'd consider scumbag lawyers, and defendants have their own scumbag lawyers trying to get them off regardless of how guilty they are. It's the way of the world.
QUOTE Take Viagra as an example. I'm sorry but 20 years ago if you had that kind of issue you dealt with it. You might wind up embarrassed for it but you didn't run to the doctor for the fix. Nowadays every little symptom has a pill or medication for it.
So, if you had prostate problems, high blood pressure or whatever else, and it started to hinder the "romance" you'd just accept the fact that you couldn't have sex for the rest of your life, or would you try to do something about it? Personally, if grandpa goes years without being able to perform and manages to find a way to cope with it for the sake of himself and the wife, more power to him.
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) seeing as he is the "King" of Liberal Hollyweird and FNC's decided right wing bias goes against his personal political beliefs.