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Ole1kanobe 
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2003,11:38 pm |
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(Minneapolis-AP) -- The state of Minnesota is being sued because it won't pay for the anti-rejection drugs for a teenage immigrant who had a kidney transplant.
The lawsuit claims the 16-year-old boy faces a lifetime of dialysis because cutbacks in the state's Medical Assistance program will deprive him of anti-rejection drugs.
The boy moved to Austin from Mexico last year to live with his brother and had the transplant last spring at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. He was not identified.
When the boy had the transplant, illegal immigrants were eligible for the Medical Assistance program. But after legislative budget cuts, the boy lost his benefits July first -- qualifying only for emergency medical care that pays for dialysis but not the drugs.
A deputy Human Services commissioner declined to comment, but said the state believes it has a tentative agreement that would address the urgency of the case.
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Ok, so we have an "illegal immigrant" that is upset because he no longer gets state aide to cover his medical costs?
WTF?!?
I realize that this guy probably didn't plan to need a transplant and might be a little down on his luck or whatever, but look at how many citizens that have little to no health care and/or aide, what makes him so special that he should be immune to the cuts that a lot of people have had to bear recently? Why should the state be responsible for his bills? I am guessing that they paid for the actual transplant already.
I could see if they had worked in a grandfather clause into this new 'rule' or something, but apparently they didn't.
I just don't get it...
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shaker
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,12:05 am |
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There are many people who have worked there whole lives 30 or 40 years at least and find themselves without insurance due to plant or business closeing down. They have done everyting rite, they have worked, payed there tax, helped support the community and local business, and now they struggle to pay there medical bills and some face bankruptcy, and now we have a illegal immigrant that thinks the state of Mn. should pay his medical bills? GO BACK TO YOUR HOME COUNTRY,LET THEM TAKE CARE OF YOU. I am sick of this!!!
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,2:59 am |
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You both couldn't be more wrong.
It's much cheaper to pay for anti rejection drugs and save the kidney ,than pay for life long dialysis! MUCH cheaper.
I see, we won't pay for anti rejection drugs ,but we WILL pay 100 times more by not giving him the drugs.
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,9:22 am |
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First off, I'm confused that illegal immigrants qualified for anything at anytime. However, if we paid to have the transplant I think follow up should be a given.
Why are some "illegals" deported .. sent back .. arrested .. etc, while others are given transplants??? 
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,9:38 am |
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I agree with Spidey, it was wrong to give this gentleman the transplant in the first place when we have many of "our own" that are on waiting lists for such a thing. However since we did grant him the transplant, I believe you have to follow through with the recovery.
If you don't, it's like saving his life only to let him die a slow death, morally wrong.
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,9:44 am |
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| Quote (minnow @ Oct. 24 2003,1:59:am) | | It's much cheaper to pay for anti rejection drugs and save the kidney ,than pay for life long dialysis! MUCH cheaper. |
I completely agree with you on that point Minnow (the numbers I saw showed that it would be thousands of times cheaper), but I didn't really want to go off in that direction due to my ability to ramble on and on about how little sense it makes for the government to not cover the least expensive method of treatment, but be willing to pay for the more expensive treatment option and my main point was, as has already been posted, why can't we take care of people that are rightfully here in this country, then worry about people that are here illegally?
Spidey brings up a very valid point though. How is it that people that are not citizens of the US and are not here 'officially' seeking asylum in the US able to qualify for any help/handouts?!?
I am starting to think this whole state (government wise) is a little out of touch with reality.
How about tending to our own yard before cleaning up the entire neighborhood for free?
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minnow
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,10:16 am |
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Look... if you haven't been in a hospital lately it's about half Hispanic taking advantage of free health care.
1. More hispanics live in AL than Austin. Why is this..low factory jobs? Because most collect SSI and get free health benefits. Not speaking English is a disability so they qualify for SSI disability(federal) This brings in money. The hospital visits cost us, in that we have to pay much more for health services as hospitals attempt to charge paying customers more to make up the difference in low state payments.
Still I have no sympathy for you all because here you are...readily able and willing to spend many times more to "rebuild Iraq" than what immigrants cost us.
It's like Gabe. Brag about saving a penny while at the same time wasting $20 dollars. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,10:25 am |
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) _ Evidence including recordings indicates that Wal-Mart had direct knowledge of immigration violations involving its cleaning contractors at stores across the country, federal law enforcement sources said.
Federal agents raided Wal-Mart's headquarters and 60 of its stores across the nation Thursday, arresting more than 300 illegal workers in an immigration crackdown at the world's biggest retailer.
The workers were members of cleaning crews hired by outside contractors, but federal law enforcement officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity said Wal-Mart knew of the violations. They cited recordings of meetings and conversations among Wal-Mart executives, managers and contractors.
"We have seen no evidence of this from the INS, and, if that turns out to be true, we will cooperate fully with law enforcement officials," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said.
The workers were arrested as they finished their night shifts at Wal-Mart stores in 21 states. Agents also hauled away several boxes of documents from an executive's office at Wal-Mart headquarters in Bentonville.
An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee recordkeeping regulations.
Wal-Mart Stores had sales last year of $244.5 billion. The company has about 1.1 million employees in the United States, and it uses more than 100 third-party contractors to clean more than 700 stores nationwide, Williams said.
"We require each of these contractors to use only legal workers," she said.
The law enforcement sources said the investigation grew out of earlier probes of Wal-Mart cleaning crew contractors in 1998 and 2001.
All the arrested workers were in the country illegally, said Garrison Courtney, a spokesman with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They were detained at local immigration offices. Those who had no criminal record were released with instructions to appear before immigration judges.
Many of the workers said they were Eastern European and a few were of other ethnicities, Courtney said.
Wal-Mart is not the first big company to be targeted in an immigration investigation. Six managers at Tyson Foods, based one town away from Wal-Mart in Springdale, were charged in an immigrant-smuggling case in 2001.
One defendant shot himself to death a few months after being charged, and two managers entered guilty pleas early in the case. A jury acquitted the poultry company and three other managers.
Ulysses A. Yannas, an analyst with the investment firm Buckman, Buckman and Reid, said it is too much to expect Wal-Mart to keep track of all of its vendors' workers. But he said the investigation could present a problem for the company.
"It is a question of what else it might bring out. These are long, drawn-out processes," Yannas said.
Top Wal-Mart officials learned of Thursday's sweep when store managers began calling headquarters for guidance in dealing with the raids.
Courtney said agents searched the office of one of Wal-Mart's executives. Williams, the spokeswoman, said they spent several hours in the office of a "mid-level manager" at Wal-Mart's headquarters and carried away several boxes of paperwork.
She said she did not know if any other Wal-Mart administrative offices were searched.
The arrests were made at stores in Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia.
Suzanne Gamboa in Washington, D.C., contributed to this story.
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shaker
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,1:37 pm |
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I can see your point Hanna, now that they have done the transplant they are stuck with that and can't just let him die.
My point is still the same, it should never been done in the first place. NEVER. I have seen some of the people who are on the transplant list, slowly dieing while waiting for a kidney or liver to become available, people who live here, work here, raise there familys here, pay there taxes here, and then when this gift of life becomes available it is given to a illigal immigrant. THIS IS WRONG.
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Posted on: Oct. 24 2003,4:30 pm |
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illegal immigrant means illegal. they should have no specials rights or treatments, because they are illegal. which means they are not supposed to be here, they swam the river and snuck into our country ILLEAGALLY! let the illegal's take care of themselves and learn english or GET OUT. when we go to "their" country we stay for a week and then leave. we don't stay for the rest of our lives and expect their government to pay for our $100,000 surgery and cator to us on a golden platter.
this sucks we have million of legal US citizens that are in need of serious medical and financial help. but instead of helping our own we incist on helping those that don't belong.
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