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Spidey 
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,9:19 am |
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Bill would raise speed limit on some highways
Publishing date: 03-26-2004 3:57 PM
(St. Paul-AP) -- A bill passed by the House today would raise the speed limit from 55 to 60 miles-per-hour on some two-lane highways.
If the Senate and Governor Pawlenty go along, the Transportation Department would be free to boost the limit after conducting a safety study. The bill passed easily, 109-to-22
Representative Marty Seifert of Marshall says many people aren't abiding by the lower limit in the first place. But Representative Alice Hausman says the bill sends the wrong message and could lead to more accidents and fatalities..
Do we really have this need for another five mpr? I didn't even know that "we" wanted this. Did anyone else? Where did this come from?
If it's just because no one is following the 55 mph law ... that's just stupid ... people won't follow the 60 mph law either.
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,11:54 am |
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Spidey-
Recently I asked a Hwy Trooper on what he considers an infraction on MN Hwys & freeways, and I was told that most of the time if he clocks someone at 60-65 on a 55mph he just lets em go, and the same for 75-80 on the interstate. Now I am not saying all Hwy Troopers are like this, but there are a few that just let motorists be. Most of time when he pulls someone over its for driving like they are driving in a Brickyard500.
So back to the question you asked. When the PTB see and hear that the avg speed on the Hwy is 60mph, yeah the will debate it, and those against the raising the speed limit always cry out and fore-tell the red stained hwy's and the increased accidents when after a few years it remains the same as it did when it was at the lower speed limit. They whinned when the speed limit was raised to 70 on the freeway. I think freeways should be @80-85Mph and Hwy's @ 70-75Mph.
Todays drivers and the technology in cars is more than capable of these speeds. And most motorists need to get somewhere fast and don't have time to sight see. I myself hate driving, wish we could have transporters like they do in Star Trek™ now thats traveling. 
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minnow
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,1:42 pm |
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OK Spidey..since you insist apon being as anal as you can be on this issue, how about 45 mph. If 55 is good, of course 45 must be better. How about us removing ALL risk and make traffic illegal. Makes sense to me. People are basically cheaters so we must make it 25 so they stay under 55.
It's just part of our, we will make this the most anal place to live in the whole world plan. Count me in!
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Hanna
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,1:50 pm |
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What would we do with all those speedometers that have 55 highlighted? 
Personally, I couldn't care less either way, 5 mph isn't going to change my driving habits or my lifestyle either way.
Maybe they are doing it to balance out the .08 alcohol limit. That would mean they have a little less reason to pull you over to check you out.
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Spidey
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,2:58 pm |
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Your right ... there isn't much difference between 55 and 60, so why change it? To be honest with you ... I couldn't care less, I was just wondering if this was an issue with the people or not ... I haven't heard anything.
| Quote | | OK Spidey..since you insist apon being as anal as you can be on this issue |
< minnow
Not sure where you got that from ... and don't know why your temp has risen over this post, but I'm not anal about the five miles added on to the speed limit. You sure can read into things minnow ... are you always on the defense?
| Quote | | we will make this the must anal place to live in the whole world plan. Count me in! |
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Now who's being anal ... your on your own with this one. I don't think most people would want to live in your world.
I think you need to lay off the sugar ... your a bit sensitive and hyper there minnow!
Grinning_Dragon ... I know the cops don't pull you over for going five to ten over the speed limit. Most people are driving 60 in the 50 anyway ... so raising it will only make them do 65 ... 70?
One thought on being able to drive 85 or more ... have you ever been to a country where they have no laws on speeding? My brother used to live in Saudi Arabia for four years and he said it was absolute nuts.
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minnow
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,3:19 pm |
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BS Spidey...that was the worst brain fart I've seen from you so far.  Your logic is perfectly unsound and It's made me form a solid opinion of your views, that probably won't ever change. And that view isn't very favorable I'm sorry to say. This posts really cements the fact, in my mind, that your opinions are basically worthless. Sorry, I jus call em' as I see em'.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,3:50 pm |
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| Quote | | have you ever been to a country where they have no laws on speeding? My brother used to live in Saudi Arabia for four years and he said it was absolute nuts. |
I've driven in a lot of foreign countries--most people are aware that the German Autobahn allows you to drive any speed considered safe for conditions. People generally drive a reasonable speed--yes, there are people that "open it up" in the left lane--but most people are doing 85-90. Sweden has speed limits, but they are rarely enforced out in the country, so long as a reasonable speed is observed.
When you get to the SOUTH side of the Alps, however, it DOES become chaotic. In Italy, the Autostrada, modeled after the Autobahn, is a real nightmare. Every Fiat driver pretents he is driving a Ferrari. Drivers don't segregate speed by lane--slow drivers in the left lane, fast drivers tailgating in the right lane, nobody signals turns. Traffic moves at nearly 100 mph, then comes to a stop. In the cities, it may be marked as 3 lanes of traffic, but there may actually be 5 lanes wide--coming into one of the big "roundabouts"!
Same road design--different attitude by the drivers--big difference. If drivers can handle 60, why shouldn't they be allowed? Don't forget, we USED to have 65 mph speed limits on those same roads, until the Federal Government decided to take over.
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Spidey
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,4:10 pm |
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jimhanson ... I don't have a problem with 60. Just wondering why if everyone is doing it anyway. Changing the law requires money and don't forget the lunch meetings by our bigwigs. Hardly seems worth the cost.
minnow ... your comments and your thoughts about me are meaningless. Your shorts are always in such a bind all of the time you must have skid marks a mile long! Most of what you post are insults and dictatorship comments, and I've never really taken you seriousely anyway. Reading your posts is like reading the comics in the newspaper ... usually it's good for a laugh or two 
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,4:13 pm |
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I too have driven on many foriegn roads, and I must say we have the safest in the world by far. Also some of the slowest for road and weather.  I believe that the legislation was trying to be changed by the counties to the west of us, from the south to as far north the Red River and Canada borders. Why? Because that is very flat open country with almost no trees, where a long flat stretch of highway that is only 55 mph is flat out stupid. Those people in those counties, or any county for that matter, should be able to assign speed limits as high as they deem safe. The county is ultimate decision maker on new road construction and other items conscerning the majority of roads in the country. Why does the Federal Government have anything to say about the speed limit off of Federal Interstate Highways? Why should the State have anything to say about anything besides State Highways? Decentralization of the rules is what this country needs. The only exception is fairness against things that might violate civil rights. The speed limit, should be each counties descretion. They are the ones that see the accidents and clean-up. They know if the speed limit should be lower. If they have a twenty mile long flat stretch with no trees that has never had an accident period, they should feel free to crank it up. Liberty. You know, the word most often ignored in the U.S., yet the most tangible thing to affect all of our lives.
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,11:01 pm |
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States have control over the money they direct to the county level for maitenance of major county roads hence the title County State Aid Highway. The same is true of federal moneys provided to the states to subsidize road maintenance of U.S. Trunk Highways and other roads coverd by said programs.
Your doing it again. Liberty and the Bill of Rights do not give you a right to a car. You find the language in the constitution where it says that the states and or the federal government shall be restrained form controlling the use of large selfpropelled conveyances in close proximity to other persons at speeds sufficient to render human flesh unrecognizable in the event of a crash. When you find it post it.................................
With that said 60MPH is fine with me. There's nothing to say that police will automatically leave you alone if you're traveling at 70MPH instead of 65MPH; some officers will just get more strict about speed enforcement.
Maybe if you ask nice the officer will give you tissue to cry into when you're upset about getting a ticket for breaking the law.
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