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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Apr. 05 2004,6:26 pm |
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You have to be careful when you use acronyms. A Google search of USRA showed a LOT of USRAs--University Space Research Assn., USA Raquetball Assn., United Slot Racers Assn., Undergrad Student Research Award....."  Assuming you meant railroad, there are at least two USRAs--both US Railroad Assn.
Do you mean the 1917 association of PRIVATE FIRMS, to standardize equipment and come up with better railroad engines? Do you mean the 1973 organization of the same name, that was organized as an alternative to avoid nationalization of smaller railroads following the collapse of the Penn Central--a quasi-governmental/private ownership organization?
I fail to see how this is analogous to roads. If the analogy is about sending money into Washington--it makes no sense for the 1917 example (it was an association of private firms), and if the analogy was about the second example--it is a poor one--think AMTRAK.
If this is meant as a goal we should aspire to--I don't think it is a good one--USRA isn't exactly famous for its success. Are you advocating private/government partnerships for roads--nationalizing roads or railroads? More information is needed.
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Truth
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Posted on: Apr. 05 2004,9:35 pm |
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"University Space Research Assn., USA Raquetball Assn., United Slot Racers Assn., Undergrad Student Research Award....." Assuming you meant railroad, there are at least two USRAs--both US Railroad Assn."
Yeah, those first three have a great deal in common with our discussiion don't they. You would make an excellent politician, unable to stay on task or just an elitist smart Azz.
My point is the issue of standardization.
Without a central authority to govern the standards by which roads are constructed travel and commerce could be severly slowed by an inconsistent physical plant and inconsistent laws governing the use of the roads.
Hell, we might just decide we aint build'n no dang old freeway through this here county. So all them transients can just go round ya hear. How do we make sure I don't get a big fine for running a stop sign that was a bright purple square with no wording on its face, when I go driving in a neighboring clans area.
If not the federal government than who. What body will have a centrally recognized authority, sufficient to keep some order on our roads? If there is one thing that holds true in this country from coast to coast, its the ability to disagree.
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Daisy Duke
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Posted on: Apr. 06 2004,1:15 am |
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Does it really matter what the speed is anyway, I am always speeding on the interstates!!  J/K
Even the autobahn has rules??!! 
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Apr. 06 2004,8:50 am |
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| Quote | "University Space Research Assn., USA Raquetball Assn., United Slot Racers Assn., Undergrad Student Research Award....." Assuming you meant railroad, there are at least two USRAs--both US Railroad Assn."
Yeah, those first three have a great deal in common with our discussiion don't they. |
Yep, we were talking about ROADS, and you throw in USRA, and expect people to guess that it means RAILROADS--really on target there! After being able to discern that you meant RAILROADS (?), I asked WHICH USRA you were talking about, and your point. From your response | Quote | | Without a central authority to govern the standards by which roads are constructed travel and commerce could be severly slowed by an inconsistent physical plant and inconsistent laws governing the use of the roads. |
you seem to be referring to the 1917 USRA, not the 1973 organization. | Quote | | Hell, we might just decide we aint build'n no dang old freeway through this here county. So all them transients can just go round ya hear. |
Back to your course in reading comprehension--I'm the one that said the proper role of government SHOULD BE to build and maintain the interstates--from my Mar. 30 post.
| Quote | | Look back at the previous post--the Federal Government SHOULD maintain the Interstates--that's part of the INTERSTATE COMMERCE portion of the Constitution. |
Back to paying for farm-to-market roads--it is ludicrous to send money to Washington--have them take a large percentage of it for "administrative" costs, BEG them do give it back, and then accept whatever rules they dictate (speed limits, alcohol content, etc.). Under that scenario, you could just as well do away with the 10th Amendment--States Rights--because they don't have any.
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Truth
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Posted on: Apr. 07 2004,12:23 am |
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So what is the problem?
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Truth
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Posted on: Apr. 07 2004,12:52 am |
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I am a student of "Publius" and I know full well the need for a federal authority. The states were reserved certain rights by the interpretations of the language of the Tenth Amendment however, the original intent and scope of the Tenth Amendment provision included debate stating that it was not conceived to be a scale to weigh the powers given to the Federal Government or reserved to the States. It has been likened to a simple truism, despite its long history with the courts.
The tenth amendment serves to reserve powers to the states that are not given over to federal authority. I do not know of any reason that federal regulation of road standards should impair Minnesota's ability to function effectively within the federal system.
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kid dyn-o-mite
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Posted on: Apr. 07 2004,1:59 am |
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Who is "Publius"? A google search turns up nothing.
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BDV
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Posted on: Apr. 07 2004,9:46 am |
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Publius was a famous space explorer who circled around Uranus looking for Klingons.
Lighten up you guys. Truth and jimhanson you are both wrong the subject was not railroads or roads, it was speed limits, DUH.
I for one want to go faster and faster and faster and faster and faster, (well you can see my position now can't you?) and faster and faster and faster.
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Truth
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2004,2:37 pm |
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What do speed limits pertain to BDV? I think they are a set limit to the speed of traffic operating over a given route or traffic way.
The authority to set those limits was the subject of Jim's and my debate. It is always the case thus far, between Jim and I, that we disagree over the federal role in establishing standards on our local roads. Jim contends that our local roads should not be subject to federal regulation and federal funding. I hold that our local roads are an important part of the national transportation system and therby fall under federal standards control through the commerce clause argument.
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