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Posted on: Jan. 02 2004,4:24 pm |
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Guest what about the clowns pumping human waste directly into drainage tile and drainage ditches? What do we do about that problem?
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Posted on: Jan. 02 2004,4:28 pm |
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That too is a problem. It is actually a problem that the county should already be taking care of with their septic inspections. I heard that the county is trying to get the stables and governmental acreas areas to be anexed into the city so they have to hook up to city sewer becasue thier systems are failing and doing just what you said. The county has let the septic problems go for too long in this county. They are just going to have to get tough with people and tell them to get their system fixed and if they don't then impose fines on them until it is corrected.
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MADDOG 
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Posted on: Jan. 02 2004,4:36 pm |
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Here's a table I found on a Wisconsin website on Mn. vs. Wi taxes: [quote]Minnesota Tax Comparison - Economic Development
Wisconsin Taxes Minnesota Taxes
Corporate Income Corporate Income
Base: Net Income Base: Net Income
Rate: 7.9% Rate: 9.8%
Personal Income Personal Income
Rates: 4.60% to 6.75% Rates: 5.35% to 7.85%
Property Property
State wide average rate State wide average rate is
is estimated at $21.43 per estimated at $19.00 per $1000 of
$1000 of full value full value Rate for commercial/
industrial property is estimated
at $42.00 per $1000 of full value.
Sales & use Sales & use
State rate: 5.00% State rate: 6.5%
Local county option 0.05% County rate: none
Stadium tax: 0.10% Local option rate: 0.5% to 1.0%
(Metro-Milwaukee area) Combined rates: 6.5% to 7.5%
Combined rates: 5.0% to 5.6%
Unemployment Comp. Unemployment comp.
Base: $10,500 Base: $20,000
Rates: 0.02% to 9.75% Rate: 0.17% to 9.07%
New employer: 3.05%-3.25%New employer: 1.17%
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jan. 02 2004,4:46 pm |
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This from the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce: | Quote | Local Option Sales Tax
ISSUE
Should Minnesota expand or curtail the use of local option sales taxes?
POLICY
The Minnesota Chamber of Commerce opposes general local option sales tax authority and the expansion of local sales taxes. The Minnesota Chamber also opposes local sales taxes that are used to finance projects that will directly compete with existing area businesses. Accordingly, we urge the Legislature to:
Limit communities seeking local sales tax authority to a rate of one-half cent.
Require communities seeking local sales tax authority to raise one-half of the project cost from other local sources, e.g. private contributions, property taxes, spending cuts, state or federal grants, etc. This requirement guarantees that citizens within the city limits want the project enough to arrange financing for a substantial portion of its cost. A sales tax referendum is not a sufficient test of citizens' willingness to pay because people who shop in their community and live elsewhere will pay a significant portion of the tax.
Grant individual communities' authority to enact local sales taxes only under the specific conditions enacted as part of the 1999 omnibus tax bill. The criteria are: (i) the proceeds from the proposed local sales tax are used to finance a specific capital improvement and the tax sunsets on a specific date; (ii) the proposed tax increase must have voter approval at a general election; and (iii) the local government is prohibited from seeking authority to renew its local sales tax for at least one year after the tax expires.
Sunset perpetual local sales tax authority on December 31, 2004 unless a referendum is passed at a general election that re-authorizes the local sales tax for a specific project and for a specific period of time. (Duluth has perpetual sales tax authority.)
The Minnesota Chamber also opposes a metro area sales tax because it complicates the administration of the sales tax and reduces accountability by exporting a portion of the tax to individuals that can not vote on its imposition.
BUSINESS IMPACT
The Department of Revenue estimates that businesses pay approximately 45 percent of Minnesota's general sales and use tax. One of the Chamber's long-term goals is to eliminate the sales tax on intermediate purchases and equipment. As local sales taxes become more prevalent, this will be more difficult to do because local government will want to expand the sales tax base not contract it. Furthermore, local sales taxes have the potential to divide the business community. Some businesses directly benefit from the projects that local taxes finance, while others don't directly benefit, face higher costs on their purchases and greater administrative burdens.
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cwolff
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Posted on: Jan. 02 2004,5:03 pm |
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Concit, several watershed districts are currently going after grants to clean up their septic problems within their boundries. The grant that I am talking about is relatively new, and more information can be found at www.pca.state.mn.us/programs/ists/finacial-assistance.html
It sounds like that all septic systems within the watershed will have to be checked for compliance, and any septic systems not in compliance will have to be upgraded.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 02 2004,7:17 pm |
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Guest--good point on the septic systems--that should be the easiest item to check and reform of all the lake cleanup items, and one of the most effective. There is no excuse for non-compliance with direct discharge. Other septic systems should be given a deadline date for compliance IF THEY HAVE PROVED TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO POLLUTION. The "red dye" check is pretty conclusive.
Maddog--good find on the tax system comparisons, MN. vs. Wisc. That is the sort of empirical evidence we need in discussions, not "I FEEL" discussions.
Good find on the State regulation on local option sales tax--the law provides for a specific capital improvement, and for a sunset provision. Local option tax advocates are going to have to provide these specifics in order to advance their cause, well as telling people exactly what their money is expected to do for the community. The GOOD news is, if they CAN provide these specifics, people are MORE likely to vote for them. State law is very specific on these items--maybe there is STILL HOPE FOR THE FOLKS THAT GATHER AT THE CAPITOL! 
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jan. 03 2004,9:54 am |
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Jim, | Quote | | Good find on the State regulation on local option sales tax--the law provides for a specific capital improvement, and for a sunset provision. |
Jim, I believe the find I made is the opinion of the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce, not a bill or law. God, we can only hope it is law.
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Concit
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Posted on: Jan. 03 2004,11:17 am |
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cwolf thanks for the information. The problem I have is with property owners that easily could afford to pay for a proper septic system, and chose not to do so, because its easier (and cheaper) to simply dump their sewage into their tile lines or drainage ditch. In the end, its you and me that have to pay to clean up the watershed because these yahoos don't care. We need some environmental regulations (and regulators) with some real teeth. I know from experience, just telling someone to do something doesn't get it done in Freeborn County. You have to hold a "hammer over their head", and even sometimes that doesn't work. We need consequences for these types of blatant environmental abuses, not just directives. Fines don't always work either. A lot of these land owner set up "dummy" corporations and simply file bankruptcy when they get in trouble. Again, in the end, tax payers are stuck holding the back. I believe more environmental legislation should contain a criminal provision that imposes real consequences. If the offenders can't afford to pay the criminal fine, make them put on a orange jump suit and make them manually dredge our lakes. When they're done doing that, they should apologize to every youngster that swims in our lakes for poisoning the water they swim in. Without real consequences, nothing will change.
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minnow
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Posted on: Jan. 03 2004,12:48 pm |
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huh?
"The problem I have is with property owners that easily could afford to pay for a proper septic system, and chose not to do so, because its easier (and cheaper) to simply dump their sewage into their tile lines or drainage ditch. In the end, its you and me that have to pay to clean up the watershed because these yahoos don't care"
LOL  What a gimp! wah freaking wah...
Let me get this straight...you're all worried because some guy and his wifes poop aren't being deposited as deeply in the ground as you'd like, yet you support pig plants and pig farms that let thousands of animals S.H.I.T in a big poop holding pond and that's ok...
...freaking just more dumb Albert Lea whiners, fools and losers...
par for the course.
This is complete fantasy and shows to the Nth degree just how clueless you really are..
"A lot of these land owner set up "dummy" corporations and simply file bankruptcy when they get in trouble."
Really? Is that so? Then name me just one that you know about.
You don't even know of one do you? That's what I thought, just making up S.H.I.T again to prove your invalid points.
Yep, par for the course...
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cwolff
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Posted on: Jan. 03 2004,2:18 pm |
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Concit, just ignore Minnow because he is just a bottom feeder and still lives at home with his mommy. There are alot of laws already on the books regarding septic systems, but there is no real enforcement in place. The MPCA is suppose to make sure that the ISTS laws are carried out by the local environmental offices, but the MPCA is so short staffed that they do not have even enough resources (bodies) to follow up on blatant complaints. I know of one instance where a property owner was required to update his septic system as part of a variance and conditional use permit. The environmental officer would not require the property owner to upgrade his system after I complained and after 900 plus days had passed from when the septic system was suppose to be finished. The answer I got from the environmental officer was that "if I had to write citations for every septic system violation in this county, I would not get any thing else done." I think this kind of attitude is more wide spread than one might think. The real problem is the lack of enforcement and accountability by our governmental officials, instead of new laws being created.
Quote: Minnows eat too much invertebrates, which are better suited for migrating ducks that require huge amounts of protein. Do away with those dam rough fish.
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