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Liberal 
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,9:29 am |
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All this spinning is making me dizzy!
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I was elected in 1998. Since then, in fact for about 10 years before, there has been no plan to put forward. With out a plan there is nothing to pursue. It has taken a long time to even get where we are today with a plan.
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There have always been plans that's all we've ever done is made plans and never had any money to enact the plans. There was even a lake restoration plan way back in 1975 that fell through because of funding. There were at least two after that and the one that the watershed board is using now was just copied from the existing plan the county already had in place for years.
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I will keep you posted, it has been a long process but there are lots of lake projects trying for funding, in past years we have had to much fighting in the community we were dead in the water so to speak in St. Paul.
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If you haven't tried to get any funding yet what were you talking about when you say "the fighting in the community has us dead in the water in St. Paul" and that "this has been a long process?"
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since there are so many projects the ones with conflict get kicked out first.
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Once again if you haven't even tried for any money how could "the ones with conflict get kicked out first"?
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The thing has been met to death. I have held at least two public meetings trying to bring the groups together.
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You've been in office for 5 years and had two meetings and you say it's been "met to death"? I guess that explains why t's taken almost 30 years to get to where we are today.
Nothing will motivate a politician like a problem in his own backyard and I'm glad you bought a house on Albert Lea lake last year, hopefully in the future you'll put funding lake restoration projects a little higher on your todo list.
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The people are masters of both Congress and courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it!
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| Post Number: 92
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MrTarzan
Group: Members
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Joined: Feb. 2004
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,11:48 am |
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Hey Liberal,
I agree some of what he says is to say the least confusing, but from what I read he is at least trying to shake-up the status quo. They Hate his tape recorder, therefore I love it. I wonder what would happen if all new people were in there with Dan, would something get done finally? 
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Be not simply good, be good for something-Henry David Thoreau
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| Post Number: 93
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Liberal
Group: Moderator
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Joined: Aug. 2003
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,12:16 pm |
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You're confused as to which Dan is which.
Repdan is State Representative Dan Dorman.
DanBelshan is County Commissioner Dan Belshan.
DanBelshan is the one with the tape recorder that posted a few page back about fact and spin about the lake. I agree with you about Belshan.
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The people are masters of both Congress and courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it!
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,5:45 pm |
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I was, thanks for straightening me out. 
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Be not simply good, be good for something-Henry David Thoreau
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repdan
justdan
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,10:30 pm |
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Liberal,
I had to lol, any clue where our other house is......hint on a lake. To bad you have not been at either of the lake meetings, but that would have taken some effort.
Perhaps you have missed the whole lakes committe/soul battle.
I would also point out, that if we want the lakes cleaned up we better plan on paying most of the bill ourselves. Is there other money out there? Sure the we need to all be on the same page.
I don't remember seeing you at the local sales tax meeting either.
If you are going to clean house you better get started. The caucus are coming up the first Tuesday in March. I suggest you go to one. The Republican caucus is at the High School, not sure about the DFL and Independence. It's lots harder to step up to the plate then to only point out others "shortcomings"
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carpe ductem.....remember we're all in this together..I'm pull'n for you.
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repdan
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,10:34 pm |
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Guppie.....
While I may not have done anything..but at least I don't hide behind my computer. But I guess Guppie is a good name for you.
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carpe ductem.....remember we're all in this together..I'm pull'n for you.
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repdan
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,10:38 pm |
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Liberal,
Help me pick a plan....the Soul plan, the Lakes Committee plan, the County plan, one of the DNRS six plans. Which one should I have used?
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carpe ductem.....remember we're all in this together..I'm pull'n for you.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,10:51 pm |
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Why don't you guys up there in St. Paul repeal some of the 'rules' and 'mandates' that we are all subject to, albeit sometimes unseen, in our everyday lives because of the State government.
DNR is only one example of an agency that is just too powerful.
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Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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repdan
justdan
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,10:58 pm |
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Monty, thanks you are right. Sorry I did not respond to your first post. There is a growing number of reps and sens that think that rules should sunset after the next session after being written unless approved by the legislature.
There is another use of rules by the way, I believe that legislation was passed knowing that the agency would set rules that would have never made it to the floor.
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carpe ductem.....remember we're all in this together..I'm pull'n for you.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Feb. 21 2004,11:23 pm |
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repdan:
That last sentence of your 10:58 post makes sense in a way if your talking about rules that might, for example, not be politically popular (why, you guys could lose votes if you and you alone set the rules!).
But if a rule clearly goes beyond the original intent of a piece of legislation, it is time for some political a$$-kickin' by the legislature. All I'm saying is, make darn sure that some Commissioner or department head that can make a rule up is not abusing that power, because it is a huge and scary power. Use some common sense.
Aren't Commisssioners appointed by the Governor?
How is that getting things done using common sense?
Look who's running Mn/DOT for thge cripe's sake?
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Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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