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minnow 
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2004,7:04 pm |
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Look Supergrrl...it's cool that you stick up for your friends family and stuff but what is happening is called "Karma" for kids who were children in the 1960's.
She's just getting a little of the same thing she gave out...
She likes to drink...so what....I'm a drunk. But I can't really feel sorry for her because I know in my heart and soul that she'd be the first one to put me behind bars for smoking cannabis. Therefore, I don't really give a dam what pain she has to go through. I only hope it's enough to make her change.
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Clovis
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2004,7:04 pm |
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| Quote | | Clovis where did YOU get your information!!!! Over the passed several months many injustices have occurred and this school district may be facing a law suit, if indeed they knew about drinking problems WHY were parents not notified? Doesn't everyone have a breaking point - and with most employers help would be offered to the employee instead of public ridicule! |
I'm a member of the immediate family of a former cheerleader - she used to come home upset and torn about the behavior she saw. She loved cheering, but hated the way that the coach treated her and others on the squad. Parents did indeed approach administrators and were told, "We'll look into it." A big problem, as has been stated before, is that many in the community and the school thought that there was a smear campaign under way on the part of some of the cheerleaders. It was brushed off. If it takes a lawsuit to wake up the school district, then I'm sorry, but that's what it'll take. There's a surprising amount that goes on behind the scenes in school districts that never sees the light of day for fear of lawsuits and reprisal from administrators. I've got a couple more stories by personal experience (not from AL, but it'll give you an idea of what can happen) - just PM me.
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. --Antoine de St-Exupéry
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concerned parent
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2004,11:15 am |
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May I ask each of the adults that may be responding here what are we teaching our children? Are we teaching them that each of us is entitled to airing our opinions on a given subject without thinking of who may get hurt by our remarks and opinoins? I think it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our opinions and keep them to ourselves at this point. The majority of what is on these pages are either experiences someone has had or an opinion on what happened, how that person felt about it(right or wrong), what should be done about the situation, and on and on.....I don't really think anyone is going to change how they feel on the subject and I really don't think no matter what a person does too try to convince someone else of their view the other person is not going to change how they feel. "Emotions" on both sides are running pretty high and remember they are emotions. Yes, we are entitled to our opinion but I don't think at the cost of hurting a lot of innocent people which is happening here. Is this going to change the system for the better or are we going to allow it to defeat us? We can learn from mistakes and turn them into a learning experience and allow healing and good to come from them. A True mistake is one that can not be learned from and changed. Let's stick together and learn from this. The family has been through enough, please give it a break and start putting some encouraging words out there. Has any one subject ever gotten this much attention? just wondering
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2004,12:06 pm |
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I believe that Pam Bishop moving family business out of town (and state) generated as much, even though the press never covered it well and it should have been a bigger scandal. Still, smashing cars and houses is a definite major issue when one lives in the public eye. Running away and then resisting makes it too much to pass up. Throw in all the damage already done by the coach to the program, and how can it not be discussed at length?
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BS Fighter
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2004,12:37 pm |
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| Quote (concerned parent @ Feb. 14 2004,11:15:am) | May I ask each of the adults that may be responding here what are we teaching our children? Are we teaching them that each of us is entitled to airing our opinions on a given subject without thinking of who may get hurt by our remarks and opinoins? I think it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our opinions and keep them to ourselves at this point.
THAT IS BS.  What better thing to teach then actions have consequences and that it should be discussed in the public forum. The penalty that she receives after court will even be in the paper. Debate is a healthy thing to teach children, and censorship even in the guise of "kindness" is wrong.
The majority of what is on these pages are either experiences someone has had
Duh 
or an opinion on what happened, how that person felt about it(right or wrong),
yep, that's true, 
what should be done about the situation, and on and on.....I don't really think anyone is going to change how they feel on the subject and I really don't think no matter what a person does too try to convince someone else of their view the other person is not going to change how they feel.
That's BS. People constantly change their minds when they hear information, thats why politicians campaign, even why we have a press in the first place.
"Emotions" on both sides are running pretty high and remember they are emotions. Yes, we are entitled to our opinion but I don't think at the cost of hurting a lot of innocent people which is happening here.
THAT's BS. Innocent? What about the innocent cheerleaders and their families that were antagonized by the Marty's. How come the daughter was never in trouble for tearing down school cheerleader posters after Donna "resigned"? When the system was quiet, it stayed broken, and damage was done to many innocent girls. The number that quit should have alerted the school, much less the complaints. That's why so many are venting now. The school will be lucky to avoid a lawsuit, along with the Marty's.
Is this going to change the system for the better or are we going to allow it to defeat us?
We can only hope it changes, not fighting back is defeat.
We can learn from mistakes and turn them into a learning experience and allow healing and good to come from them. A True mistake is one that can not be learned from and changed.
THAT is such BS I can smell it through my screen. Enough said.
Let's stick together and learn from this. The family has been through enough, please give it a break and start putting some encouraging words out there.
Did she encourage girls, or drive them out?
Has any one subject ever gotten this much attention? just wondering
Pam Bishop, Pam Bishop, Pam Bishop and her still being in a business attraction job when they moved their own out of town and state. |
THAT's BS.
Thank you 
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cpu_slave
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2004,1:54 pm |
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| Quote | | I think it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our opinions and keep them to ourselves at this point. |
So- are you saying that if we just ignore the problem it will go away? Look, I don't know the woman but even I have heard of her tear others to shreads for a fraction of what she has herself done. Ain't Karma a bitch?
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An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.-James A. Michener
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.-Albert Einstein
Wise men learn more from fools than fools from wise men.- Marcus Cato
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cheerleader forever
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2004,9:35 pm |
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yeah so i think that you all should really know what you are talking about... i am a cheerleader and i have known donna for a very long time you have no reason to assume ANYTHING. Yeah what she did was a mistake but EVERYONE makes mistakes what if she was your mom or your dad how would you feel... what if her kids seen what you wrote how would that make them feel what if you were one of them maybe you all should think before you talk out of your butt... she has done alot for the cheerleading program in albert lea i would not be the cheerleader i am without her. Yes i am upset wit her but its just like another person i would be upset with life go's on. also she does not beat on her kids... omg do you see her kids walking around with beatting marks i dont think so... she loves her kids alot. so just next time you bash on someone makesure you really know the facts and not just stuff your making up
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2004,10:10 pm |
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Do you mean you wouldn't have been a cheerleader except for Donna's favoritism? LOL
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2004,11:26 pm |
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Talking out our butts? "Hey, can I a$$ you a question" - Jim Carey
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Tiger
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Posted on: Feb. 16 2004,9:18 am |
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Cpu Slave? I don't think I have posted here yet, but I have a question about karma. Is it fair that her kids and husband are feeling the reprucussions of her actions? I thought karma was to come back on the wrongdoer not the family and her children.
I find this topic becoming repetitious and old. I too have a relative who cheered for Donna, she liked her and enjoyed her coaching style. My relative felt like she was in a sport and not just a "cheerleader." I don't know the woman. I may have and opinion on all this hearsay, but I don't have an "educated" opinion.
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