Topic: ALPD had a busy night.....
started by: LaLaLa
Posted by LaLaLa on Jan. 29 2004,7:13 pm
Looks like ALPD had a busy night on the southside. HIT and Runs and all. Does anyone know is this the same Donna Marty who was named Coach of the Year the other day?
Posted by Guest on Jan. 29 2004,9:40 pm
One & the same person
Posted by guest on Jan. 29 2004,10:33 pm
ya, i've heard there's alot of commotion with this lady. should she still be allowed to coach at all? 
Posted by minnow on Jan. 29 2004,10:44 pm
Had she been drinking Jesus juice or didn't she have auto insurance? LOL 
Posted by Mike Jackson on Jan. 30 2004,12:35 am
| Quote (minnow @ Jan. 29 2004,10:44:pm) |
| Had she been drinking Jesus juice |
oh minnow!!! Jesus juice...lol
Posted by Tiger on Jan. 30 2004,9:01 am
I don't think she is coaching anymore. I had heard earlier in the year that she was fired or "resigned" for whatever reason. (Could be good ol' hearsay though)
Posted by minnow on Jan. 30 2004,9:15 am
It's funny how people can fall off the deep end when things go bad. There but for the grace of God go I...
Posted by little boy on Jan. 30 2004,10:39 am
boy I have a hangover this morning, way too much Jesus juice last night out at Neverland.
Posted by ironmaiden on Jan. 30 2004,9:06 pm
She is still coaching the girls competition team. Or at least she was a few weeks ago. Doubt with her latest that she will be for long though.
Posted by guest on Jan. 31 2004,8:06 pm
I'm sorry, but this is a woman who i feel shouldn't be around kids anymore. I've heard that she beats her children at home, and I wouldnt want to have any of my children anywhere near this loony! They need to have her head looked at!
Posted by Jesus Juice on Jan. 31 2004,8:28 pm
Hope she doesn't give her kids any Jesus juice.-JJ
Posted by judd on Feb. 03 2004,6:25 pm
What an irresponsible psycho. Great role model too. Who was the idiot preaching about respect for elders? This loony is not worthy of respect from anyone. You must either be her husband, relative or someone just as derranged as she is. One might wonder what a "responsible" married woman was doing sloppy drunk,by herself and out at 2:44 a.m...... Great choice as a coach of young girls. Want yours to be like Donna?
Posted by judd on Feb. 03 2004,6:41 pm
WHY IS THIS PSYCHO STILL AROUND KIDS? Great role model. Married, sloppy drunk, out alone at 2:44 a.m..... makes ya wonder. Want your daughter to be like Donna Marty? Keep supporting her......very smart idea! It's not like she doesn't have a questionable history. What a psycho loser. 
Posted by candy on Feb. 03 2004,6:44 pm
Way to go loony tunes. See ya at rehab.
Posted by xcheergirl on Feb. 04 2004,3:37 pm
im an excheerleader and i can say first hand..she is crazy. i love cheerleading but she wrecked it for all of us. this whole incident was not a shock for any of us, and i can say for all of us, we hope she will be able to get the help she needs. but as for being around kids- she is not what i would call a role model. 
Posted by guest on Feb. 04 2004,3:41 pm
coming from someone who knows the woman firsthand, and that she is a nut case this just may have been a good thing that this all happened to her. at least now she will get some help. ... (and coming from one of her of the kids mouths .... didnt your mom ever throw you down the steps? .. like it was normal punishment... so she has hurt them before??)
Posted by x - cheerleader on Feb. 04 2004,4:26 pm
mmm looks like those so called cheerleader girls that were "making stuff up" to get DONNA fired werent lying after all. SCREW YOU ross williams. maybe you should do your fricken job. ... and keep your athletes safe?... i think that maybe ross you awe a whole bunch of little girls an im sorry. oh wait your probably not big enough to do that either.
Posted by Ex- Cheerleader on Feb. 04 2004,4:33 pm
Also being a former cheerleader at ALHS, I know what it is like to be under the direction of a person who is mentally unstable. I was on both sideline and competition squads, both coached by Donna Marty. I, along with many other girls have quit since last year. Donna wrecked cheerleading for all of us. She verbally attacked us, gossiped about us and our parents, but put us in dangerous positions just so that she could have her perfect cheerleading squad. I am very happy that the high school administration finally relized that Donna wasn't fit to be coaching... BUT it took almost a whole squad to quit, many parent meetings, and a time span of almost a year to get anything done. Donna is hopefully going to get the help she needs, and hopefully next time the high school administration will listen to their concerned students next time.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 04 2004,4:34 pm
Don't worry...ex-cheerleaders will have plenty of time to tell lies and "make stuff up" against their boyfriends and spouses throughout the whole rest of their lives....LOL 
But seriously...I'd get together with the cheer squad and bring a class action lawsuit against the school district. If what your saying is true...he employer is liable. It's not like you can experience high school ever again and sh owes you.
Posted by guest on Feb. 04 2004,4:41 pm
i agree. those girls who "started it all" deserve a huge im sorry. this whole thing has been going on way to long. personally i think donna likes all the attention and just continued all the stunts to keep getting talked about. shes the one that needed to grow up. she acted more like a teen then the girls did. but now its all done with she pulled her last stunt. guess thats what it takes.. running into a parked car and a house?? i just hope the poor woman gets the needed help and can return to a normal family life. ... prayers to her family.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 04 2004,4:45 pm
Often the grown woman who wants to coach cheerleading has an ax to grind. Perhaps she didn't make the squad as a teen, or got her boyfriend stolen by a cheerleader...you get da picture...
Posted by Jesus Juice on Feb. 04 2004,5:01 pm
Sounds like Donna really enjoys drinking the Jesus juice as well.-JJ
Posted by guest on Feb. 04 2004,5:04 pm
thats it....shes a physco cause she sucks.
Posted by minna on Feb. 04 2004,5:05 pm
Jesus juice will turn anyone into a drama queen...LOL
Posted by LaLaLa on Feb. 04 2004,5:26 pm
I agree that the girls that she ridiculed both last year and this year need apologies. Those of us who refused to defend her are now and have been angry about her irratic behavior for a long time. Yes, she needs help, I attended a booster meeting that I kept saying OH MY GOD to myself in disbelief at her bizarre behavior. Still they defended her,then last month Irratic Behavior AGAIN. She threw alot of accusations around, threatened to sue ppl and screamed SHAME ON YOU Albert Lea, well now I can finally say No, shame on YOU DONNA MARTY. Now, step down and get some help, your family deserves you to.
Posted by guest on Feb. 04 2004,5:43 pm
Did you ever notice her tendency to break down in tears to make people feel sorry for her?
Posted by ex-cheerleader on Feb. 04 2004,5:46 pm
She would always cry at practice or even at games.
Posted by minna on Feb. 04 2004,5:59 pm
Get used to it...there are many more people in the real world much worse than her. Only that person may be your boss!Smart girls marry money.
Posted by someone special on Feb. 04 2004,6:40 pm
just to let you all know she's been this way for a long time i used to be a cheerleader for donna marty and i ended up finally quitting mid-season because she would single me out and play little mind games with me...i dont know about her beating her children but i do know that she shouldn't be a coach and she shouldn't be around children and personally it doesnt surprise me about her little wild night because i've smelled alcohol on her before like at practices and such but no one would ever believe any of us
Posted by appauled on Feb. 04 2004,8:14 pm
Good point "minna", there are worse people than her, however, they usually don't have strong positions of unsupervised control over teenagers-- something to think about huh? THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: If Donna was out at 2:44 a.m. drunk as a skunk, what was she planning to do for competition practice at 6:00 a.m. (if she didn't get caught ramming cars and houses), was she going to show up at practice still drunk? Looks like "ex-cheerleaders" don't need to try very hard to prove their point?!!!??.. I hope that the little clan of Donna-Martiacs keep patting her on the back and helping her along,because, when this "stunt" is over and the dust settles maybe she can intimidate and abuse YOUR children too. What great parents you are, you might get nominated for brainless fool of the year. Hang it next to Donna's "coach of the year" award and you will really have something to drink about! Just PLEASE, don't let Donna drive you home (maybe you could call up your daughter for a ride, and set another good example) just make sure my children are off the street, I take their safety Very seriously! Shame on all of you heathens!
Posted by freddy on Feb. 04 2004,8:56 pm
for as much crap as you all are giving donna i can asure you she doesnt beat her children. i used to be pretty good friends with her son and i know for fact she never once beat them, barely raised her voice. she may have a few problems and is getting looked at. but this is a lady that restored a lot of school spirit back into the town of albert lea and deserves more than what she gets
Posted by minna on Feb. 04 2004,9:21 pm
Sure dosen't sound like it from the evidence. She sounds like a real drama queen. Selfish and self centered. ...And I know self centered...
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 04 2004,9:40 pm
I think that people need to realize that Donna is a person of importance to some people---like her family. I don't agree with a lot of the decisions Donna has made. I have been on the side of her what I would call ugly side. She has called me and reamed me over the coals quite badly. She has also spread rumors about me but that does not mean that I wish bad things for her. Yes, I am a parent and my children were affected by things she said and did. I was angry but I also feel sorry for her family, especially her children, they are the ones that truly suffer the consequences of her actions. I also feel sorry for Jeff, he is trying to bring a positive attitude to the football program and is having to deal with a wife that has some what seems to be problems with alcohol. She does need to take responsibility for her actions and I hope and pray that she will learn to be the person she needs to be.
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 04 2004,10:05 pm
I have just read all of the responses to the Donna Marty issue. Please know alcholism is a disease. I agree at this time she does not deserve to be a cheerleading coach nor does she deserve coach of the year. If she gets the help she needs and proves to everyone that she is willing to stay clean and face up to her problems rather than blaming everyone else for them then we should be willing to forgive her. I don't know that she deserves the opportunity to be a cheerleading coach again but time will tell. By the way she has been very nasty to me more than once and has spread rumors about me and has been nasty to my family as well. Prayers are for her and her family
Posted by truthbearer on Feb. 04 2004,10:28 pm
this is in response to freddy, i too was close friends with one of the children, the daughter. and yes i was a sholder that she would often cry on when her mother would physically abuse her. truthfully she told many of the kids in her grade about it. the stair incident was true. also i was informed of donna yanking the youngest child down from his top bunk in the morning to wake him up. I was at her house many times and witnessed the fact that donna was never ever even in the same room as the two younger boys. she'd be in her daughters room tryin to hang out with us as if she was a teen. so ya i know that those rumors are true.
Posted by TJ on Feb. 04 2004,10:47 pm
I do feel sorry for the family, because they are the ones that get hurt the most. however, before you go getting all sympathetic, just remember-if the tides were turned, what would Donna do? You guessed it... she would be relentlessly at your throat. Heck, she is that way even when she doesn't have anything to be mad about. She is very irrational, hot headed and bulligerent. She made her bed, now let her lay in it! What comes around, goes around sweetheart. It couldn't happen to a nicer person ! So please, don't be so naeve. Hey Freddy, would you leave your kids alone with Donna Marty? Please let me know, I would love to contact social services. Calling all Donna-lovers...... you may now wake up.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Nooze Hound on Feb. 04 2004,10:50 pm
Sounds to me like she fits in just fine with the rest of the backwards inbred Albert Leans. Albert Lea defines regressive & backwards.
Posted by appauled on Feb. 04 2004,10:52 pm
Yes she does beat her children, look at the signs, look at the evidence! I wouldn't let my daughter go there on a triple dog dare! Take it from "TJ"... wake up- PLEASE!!!!
Posted by ironmaiden on Feb. 04 2004,11:24 pm
Nooze Hound, honey, did you get bored over there in Austin? Went to that site the other nite. Ever consider changing your name to snozehound. They only post on the average every 16 days. BOOORRRING. Besides, Marty's aren't even from here.
Posted by minna on Feb. 04 2004,11:36 pm
"She has called me and reamed me over the coals quite badly"Huh?
So your hands got burnt right? While you were getting reamed were you on your hands and knees or on your back?
Posted by LaLaLa on Feb. 04 2004,11:54 pm
Aha, Minnow so many true confessions from you lately. What? Did the dating service turn you down AGAIN??
Posted by LaLaLa on Feb. 04 2004,11:56 pm
By the way, this is addressed to the unregistered minnow. Even the real one wouldn't be as uncouth as to make that statement.
Posted by thankfully x-cheer on Feb. 05 2004,12:55 pm
I for one am really feeling for her kids. i believe what she did was very selfish. her kids are having a rough time with it. if ross williams would have listened to the cheerleaders that told him about donna's problem......no one would be worrying about donna's interaction with kids! but since the girls didn't have proof...he couldn't do anything about it. What more proof do you need??? more than one girl smelled the alchohol on her breath at practice.... the whole situation is ridiculous. Donna and ross deserve to be in a hefty lawsuit with those girls and their parents. and i know more than one parent who would gladly start up that law suit.
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,2:42 pm
Hey did anyone take note of "appauled" on page 3? This woman has the best points in this entire Donna-saga!! You've got to check it out. What was Donna going to do at 6:00 a.m. for competition practice? Sorry to all the "ex-cheer" girls, the system failed you and someone owe's you an apology! Hey Donna - BEER for breakfast???... You are a wild woman - enjoy your trip!
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,2:45 pm
If a group of parents brought suit against the district for obviously failing their duties...well sadly the evidence would be slim except for some real good testimony from the cheerleaders. Still, it would be enough to make the district settle. Say $10,000 per victim.
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 05 2004,3:02 pm
good idea minnow. encourage people to sue the school district. that seems to be the fashionable thing to do. let's work next on suing the city for every boneheaded move that they make.
Posted by appauled on Feb. 05 2004,3:04 pm
No doubt, negligence, wrong-doing, sad circumstances, but geez "Minnow", take it easy on the law-suit business. Don't we have enough law suits out there without adding an assault on our local tax payers. After all we would be financing this assault at our own expense. Simply eradicating the root of the problem (Donna Marty) would certainly go a long way with a lot of people. Unless you are a lawyer, there are no real winners in a law-suit.
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,3:18 pm
There always have been and always will be terrible teachers and coaches. If people could sue and collect money for each one they've had, we'd all be rich. Get in the real world minkow.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,3:38 pm
No way...The school kept an alcoholic on duty even they had more than ample evidence form several different sources yet CHOSE not to do the right thing. In protecting their own, they violated their employment contract and should be held liable.
You dismiss or force an alcoholic to go to treatment, not call her accusers liars. These girls deserve more than an apology, I'm sorry, but it's true. $50,000 is a very cheap lesson for the district to learn. You must not protect your own at the expense of the law. This suit is a no brainer. The district would have the check written so fast it wouldn't even get to pretrial.
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,4:10 pm
i think you should all lay off of her first of all its none of your buisness, if the school deems that she shouldn't coach anymore thats their buisness i'm guessing that has nothing to do with most of you not to mention all people make mistakes i'm sure you've done some things in your life that you wish you could forget. As for the part that she beats her children i think you should get your facts stright, i know one of her sons and that is intirly false, as well as none of them are proud of it, so i don't see why people make it such a big deal, she screwed and she is now paying the price i believe calling her loony is a bit extream if you don't know her so befor you make any thick headed comments about what she should and shouldn't be allowed to do i think you should consider if your opinion really matters or not rather than just bashing on her
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,4:12 pm
so you know minnow she isn't employed by the school anymore she may still be the comp. teams coach but she isn't working for the school comp. team is not a school sponsered team she resigned from her job at the school when she resigned from coaching the other cheer leading teams
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,4:13 pm
I still don't really know what she did. Was it hit and run...er...?
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,4:15 pm
"guest" You obviously don't know her very well. Learn of her behavior and quit being so naeve. Open your eyes please.
Posted by Jesus Juice on Feb. 05 2004,4:20 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Feb. 05 2004,4:13:pm) |
| I still don't really know what she did. Was it hit and run...er...? |
One thing is for sure minnow, it involved large amounts of Jesus juice.
-JJ
Posted by No. 1 Viking Fan on Feb. 05 2004,4:31 pm
I want to know how Dennis Green feels about all this. Sheriff? Are you out there?
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,4:59 pm
tj i do know her quite well and i would like to know how i am be naeve, and please explain what you mean by open my eyes as well i can quite clearly see that you are all being very harsh on her we all make mistakes the only reason anyone took any notice to this at all is because she is in the public eye i know some people had huge problems with her but i also know a couple of girls that are on the cheer team and some seem to like her alot, i would like to inform you ITS THIS WAY WITH EVERY COACH not everyone will like them, she has never abused her kids nor will ever i know her and her family, they are going through alot and arn't getting alot of support through it all
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,5:11 pm
So...you're not going to tell me what she did eh?That tells me more than you know about her....and you.
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,5:19 pm
she hit a parked car and then ran into a house, she got up to go call for help but as she was doing so the police arravied and assumed she was leaving the scene of an accident, she then refused to take a breathalizer and was arrested for obstruction of justice
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,5:25 pm
Sorry "GUEST" but you are speaking out about things you only have a narrow view of. Certainly she is catching some heat, however, if you knew how badly she has provoked half of our community you would see things differently. Donna is not being ridiculed injustly, just getting a taste of her own medicine. Have you read any of the letters this woman has written to the paper. She has openly bashed our school, our community, and most of the administration, when their only mistake was to protect her instead of slam her into the ground where she belonged. Now, the whole irony to this situation is the fact that she has done it to herself. I hope you can open your eyes "guest" and realize we are not dealing with a choir girl here. Let her lay in the bed she has made for herself. Nobody forced her to be a drunken psycho! She get's to take all the credit for herself, which is what she always seems to want. I say - let her have it!!!!! Something for"guest" to think about: She who lives in a glass house should not throw stones! Let the avalanche begin, baby!! 
Posted by ironmaiden on Feb. 05 2004,5:27 pm
Went to call for help? What planet are you from? She ran from the police, hid, took swings at the officers and said, leave me alone, I have to be at the school at 5:30 for comp practice!!!! I'm sure that they wouldn't have multiple charges against her if she went to call for help. They arrested her at her house, how many blocks away?
Posted by stupid people make me mad on Feb. 05 2004,5:27 pm
I agree with smarter than you. You are all being idiotic. Her life is her life, leave her alone. They have enough problems the way it is, leave it be. AND SHE DOESN'T BEAT HER KIDS! What a stupid way to make people dislike her. Which means that the person who wrote it...
Posted by I got it on Feb. 05 2004,5:34 pm
...beat their kids!
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,5:35 pm
P.S. to "guest" - This is not your ordinary teenage " I hate my coach" type of thing. Donna is truly a raving psycho. All kids hate an authority figure at some point, however, they are not all intimidated, verbally abused, be-littled, ridiculed, and forced into co-habitating with lunacy and drunkeness. Nor should they EVER be!
Posted by candy on Feb. 05 2004,5:44 pm
Hey! "stupid people make me mad" ... you should be furious with yourself! Wake up and smell the roses.
Posted by jimhanson on Feb. 05 2004,5:50 pm
| Quote |
| All kids hate an authority figure at some point, however, they are not all intimidated, verbally abused, be-littled, ridiculed, and forced into co-habitating with lunacy and drunkeness. Nor should they EVER be! |
Not commenting about right or wrong in the coaches case--there clearly are some issues there--just that it isn't the end of the world for the kids--they are much more resilient than people give them credit for--several generations of kids endured this military service--and MUCH WORSE--and don't seem to be much the worse for it.
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 05 2004,5:58 pm
I think enough has been said about Donna Marty. Nothing is going to change what has happened in the past couple of years. Yes, I as a parent would be concerned and angered when my son or daughter would come home and tell me she had alcohol on her breath at practice. But rather than make a big deal of airing my feelings now I would have approached her about it at the time the accusations were made. At that time it should have been addressed with Donna not with Ross first. If at that time I could smell alcohol or if she acted like the girls were making it up I would tell her that. I have experienced a best friend whose father was an alcoholic so I think I would have an idea of what she would act like. I also have had some experiences with Donna's unstable approach to events. My family has experienced her wrath but I am really getting sick of seeing her being called the names and all of the judgments that have been brought upon her. Lets let the court system take care of that. Be careful not to start rumors yourself through all of this, because it puts you in the class as anyone else that starts rumors.
Posted by Wallflower on Feb. 05 2004,6:06 pm
"stupid people make me mad"... great phrase, just used by a moron. Her life is her own, and you are correct. Many people have referenced the way she has ridiculed others in the past. I think the thing you don't understand here is that when you are so bold about being critical of others, It is only a matter of time before it blows up in your face. Most people do not deserve this, SHE DOES. My heart goes out to her family, they are good people. They too, have felt the wrath of little miss cynical. If she doesn't beat her kids why are the young ones so afraid of her? God bless the innocent here, and let her wallow in her own stink!
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 05 2004,6:12 pm
so who is little miss cynical?
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,6:15 pm
She sounds like a classic alcoholic. Funny thing is...is you can give a person like this a couple hits of dynamite pot and like magic it transforms their perceptions of themselves and their situation. Suddenly they are able to see how their behaviour looks to others. Donna is simply an alcoholic who doesn't realize it herself yet.
She could always claim she had a few drinks at her house AFTER the accident to calm her nerves...LOL
But she refused the test which means we'll see people carting her around town for about a year or so no matter what happens with the criminal case.
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,6:18 pm
Hey Jim Hanson, you are right and you are truly a neutral observer! When were 14 year old girls last drafted? Is this the military or our public school system? Would you hand your teenager over to the military. Sorry Jim, good speach, wrong place.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,6:25 pm
No Jimbo...the military has changed and has even stated so publically several years back. You're thinking YOUR military from old skool dayz.
Posted by Wallflower on Feb. 05 2004,6:38 pm
Sorry to you "concerned parent" it is just a breath of fresh air to see her judged as she has judged others. If you honestly feel anyone here is being harsh on her, I conclude, that you are misinformed and unaware. Had it been someone else, donna would have written an add in the paper, rented T.V. and radio time, E-mailed everyone in the district, and screamed bloody murder to anyone who was within yelling distance. I'm sorry, I DO NOT SYMPATHISE she should expect to get as she has given ..... and this is nothing, in comparison!!!! But, thanks for your opinion
Posted by Ex-Cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,6:42 pm
Im sorry... but to all the people who did not know Donna Marty. Don't say we shouldn't be in here talking about what happened. We have been kept quiet long enough by the parents who kiss Donnas butt just so their daughters can cheer, or by the administration at the high school who told me and my parents that we couldn't say things about Donna because we didnt have enough proof (even with 5-7 page letter listing events where Donna showed signs of being under the influence and verbal abuse) and that nothing could be done. Yes, Donna isnt a coach anymore but relize that she is alo involved with the marching band too... she was the colorguard coach...Yes thats right all you band parents Donna was around your kids too. and another note: None of the "ex-cheerleaders" are trying to start rumors or bash Donna Marty. For one thing all the things we are saying are truthful.. but mostly we just want people to know that this whole situation could have been avoided if people had listened to us in the first place.
Posted by jimhanson on Feb. 05 2004,6:49 pm
Minnow--I am aware that the military has changed--that's why I used PAST tense--also see the following quote from my post| Quote |
| --several generations of kids endured this military service--and MUCH WORSE--and don't seem to be much the worse for it. |
Maybe you had to have been there to appreciate the irony. TJ--yes, I'm on record of being in favor of compulsory government service for ALL kids. Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, and Israel all do it. It could be a program to build self-reliance, national pride, and as a basis to EARN advanced education opportunities for everyone. I would favor service if EVERYONE did it.
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,6:52 pm
"Ex-Cheerleader" we're with you sweetheart!! Some people just don't always like the truth. You girls are indeed telling the truth! Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I would like to share something with you-- "she who lives in a glass house should not throw stones". How do you think donna's glass house is holding up now??!! Laugh on sister...we love ya!
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 05 2004,6:56 pm
Wallflower this is addressed to you. I am not being sympathatic to Donna but I am concerned with all of the anger that is being brought out here. It seems to me that everyone is feeding on each others anger and we really don't solve problems that way. She should be judged but make sure the facts are correct. If you read through all of the comments made on these pages there are several comments on the events of the evening that don't match up. Also I read comments about people "hearing" rumors that she beat her children. I am aware as I stated before she has come down on myself and my family and has spread rumors about us and has come in between myself and someone I valued as a good friend. I still don't think we need to call her names continually, I think everyone has the point that she is not very well liked and that she caused a lot of problems for the community, school,athletes in general, and the families of a lot of people. All of these behaviors are not uncommon with an alcoholic, I pray she gets the help she needs and is ready to accept she needs help. Keep her in your prayers. Realize Donna is still getting all the attention
Posted by Wallflower on Feb. 05 2004,7:17 pm
"concerned parent" I feel very strongly about Donna Marty. At this point I must concede, you are correct. But I do hope she fully understands the mark she has left on many lives.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,7:18 pm
concerned parent - amen, amen, amen. You beat me to it. As an aside, I think this should be a time for people in the community to take a look at how they treat the youth of the community... I've picked up from reading the cheerleaders' posts - and from having an ex-cheerleader as a sister - that they were tagged as troublemakers and pointed out as "wanting to get" Donna. We, the younger habitants of the community, have a lot to say and, quite frankly, more contact with teachers and coaches than a lot of other community members. So please, pay more heed and be more considerate when you say we don't know the story about our daily environment and activities. You might be surprised at the insight and information that we have to offer.
Posted by minna on Feb. 05 2004,7:33 pm
Consider it training. You'll run into many more Donna Marty's out there in real life. They're all over in positions of authority.Just look at Gabe...
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,7:41 pm
As someone on the cusp of entering the professional world, I'm well aware of this. It does not mean, however, that I have to take it as the status quo or accept quietly that this is the way that a group of my peers has been treated.
Posted by minna on Feb. 05 2004,7:45 pm
If you decide to live and work In Albert Lea it'll mean exactly that! LOL
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,7:46 pm
And "consider it training" for the next time that a group of students expresses concern about their safety and well-being in such a program!
Posted by Wondering on Feb. 05 2004,7:49 pm
The whole point is that she shouldnt have been hired in the first place.It's called a background check.I'm sure this wasn't her first encounter with the law.I wonder why they moved so much anyways. Hummmmmm?
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,8:01 pm
minna - Yeah, no Albert Lea for me. I'm in education, and since the schools up there pulled the plug on my area of specialty, I can't work there anyway Plus, I have an aversion to small towns with such an overwhelmingly and blatant non-supportive attitude towards one of the larger segments of the population - LOL! Wondering- yes, you've hit the nail on the head. In the area where I currently live, one of our middle schools hired a teacher with a pending warrant for marijuana possession (which was discovered after she got in a bar fight on our main street a couple of weeks ago) - this is not a situation unique to Albert Lea. It points to the need for the American school system as a whole to set up some more stringent standards and expectations for teachers and teacher training, not to mention a thorough interview and investigation before they ever set foot in a school/gym/educational arena.
Posted by minna on Feb. 05 2004,8:10 pm
Well, you're setting impossible standards. What do Bill Clinton, Al Gore, George Bush (dubya) and I all have in common. We've all been drunk and stoned. We've all smoked cannabis.We're human. Everyone's human and if you only want to hire perfect people I have news for you...there aren't any. There is no such thing as a role model. Role models are people you pretend are perfect. When you peel back the layers...you'll find most people are just as screwed up as you are or worse!
Donna just drinks too much and it's turned her into an abusive drama queen. If she were sober...she'd be much sharper abusive drama queen...do we really want that? LOL
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,8:16 pm
tj you are right i may have a narrow mind in this but likewise she has been getting enough crap for this as well as her family has you are correct she has made her bed and now she is laying in it, why make it worse she is suffering, how does 3 nights in jail sound, or a month or so in treatment, oh wait and up to 50,000 dollars in court fees and fines this year alone which might i add that family can not afford i agree she messed up and should hafta pay for it but likewise why does she need to be ridiculed about it, and those of you who talk about your kids or knowing kids that got ridiculed or whatnot by her obviously don't know what they said and did to her as well she went through living hell while she was here and she still managed to change the school for the better by alot our school spirit has increased by more than most of you will ever know and ironmaidon, your right i wouldn't know its not like i'm good friends with one of her kids or anything, oh wait i am alcholism is a disease not just a problem she did go to get help and talk with her husband she dosn't deserved to be picked apart by vulturs like most of you
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,8:18 pm
hey wondering its becase jeff was in the millitary untill the moved to pelican rapids their only other move after that was to here because of a head coaching job for him
Posted by minnow on Feb. 05 2004,8:22 pm
$50,000? ....LOL...you kids are funny...
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,8:25 pm
do you have any idea what her fines are going to be, not to mention her court fees which she hasta pay, as well as property damage? minnow get a clue for the dwi alone its 10,000 out of your pocket right away
Posted by minna on Feb. 05 2004,8:26 pm
Want to inspire spirit do U? Hire Brad pitt as Cheer squad coach and Carmen Electra as boys football coach. You'll never see kids work harder for a little school spirit...
Posted by Ex-Cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,8:28 pm
What are you talking about what we kids did to her? Please inform me on what we did?
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,8:31 pm
you were all biniviling little bitches to her i see how you treat her might i add with very little respect you got what you deserved
Posted by Ex-cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,8:32 pm
I'd also like to add that it wasn't any of us "ex-cheerleaders" that said anything about her having to pay, we are well aware that her family shouldn't have to pay for her mistakes. And we also weren't the ones to spread the nasty rumors about her beating her kids. Some of us are friends with her son and daughter too.
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,8:33 pm
i would also like to say minna what the hell are you sayin that makes no sense, she has changed the school for the better you can say whatever you want about it i guess
Posted by stupid people make me mad on Feb. 05 2004,8:37 pm
wtf mate
Posted by Ex-Cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,8:40 pm
Is this Donna Marty herself? sounds like it swearing at high school students, thinking she can do no wrong. Read the other posts I'm not the only one who knows she has problems.
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,8:46 pm
i never said she didn't have a problem in fact if you read some of my earlier post i said i know she does, and she is gettin help for it thats why i want to know why everyone is being so critical of her at this time, shes done her share of wrongs no doubt but shes also done alot of great things for our school and comunity and no one seems to relize that, as well as the fact that she has a disease not just a problem its not something she can control anymore which she has relized and relized befor this time and she may not have seeked professional help she was trying to get help from friends and family its not an easy thing to over come esspecailly when your in the publics eye can you imagin what would have been said if she woudl have gone for treatment befor this, it would have been about the same so in my opinon you all need to lay off her a little and try and see the good things she has done for our community
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,8:49 pm
Okay - let me clarify. I wasn't setting that out as an "impossible standard." It was for a very significant amount of marijuana, and she fled the warrant in the county in which it was served a year ago. (She's currently 26 - a bit old to be experimenting with drugs.) And no, we haven't all smoked cannabis. Since it is... y'know... illegal... as is driving under the influence... As for the bar fight - she was already working at the school, so there's no excuse for that type of behavior. At any rate. If you go into the field of education, you accept that you are held to a higher standard of behavior (and scrutiny of past behavior) than you might otherwise be held to. I am by no means saying that teachers have to be perfect... but to avoid things like the Donna situation, there's got to be a heavy investigation into the past and psychological history of candidates. Who knows - maybe knocking someone out of a job position because of an MIP violation might force them to "sober up" to the realities of life. If you get caught for something illegal early on in life, then you have to take responsibility for whatever the consequences may be later on in life, even if they're unforeseen. Education professionals are held to these higher standards because they work with our kids. If you don't get caught with legal documentation, then fine - you don't get caught, but you don't brag about it, either. BUT - if you exhibit behaviors that make your students and their parents start complaining and asking for investigation, then you need to be investigated, point blank. That's not unreasonable.
Posted by Ex-Cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,8:53 pm
Well you have the right to your opinion. However we didnt call Donna a bitch, and for you to call us those names... well obvious that you don't know the whole situation and it's also apparent thats it's not us who have issues with respect.. it's you and people like you..
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,8:56 pm
your right you may not have called her that to her face but i hate to break it to you she hears about it when you do having 2 kids in the high school, and don't get me wrong i do have alot of respect for the girls who are out for cheerleading now and who stuck it out or even tried it in the first place, i'm not tryin to bash you surprising as it may be i'm just saying thats part of high school donna just took it different than most do granted it was not the right thing to do, and when you say ppl like me maybe you should relize that i hafta put up with crap from everyone all the time being on the football team its not like we get a whole lot of respect from anyone at the high school so don't start pointing fingers untill you look at what sied of it your on
Posted by Ex-Cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,9:02 pm
And I totally understand where your coming from.. All I was saying is you dont need to name call to get your point accross. Because some of us really didn't say things about Donna other then the truth.. We knew she had a problem and didn't want to be part of a bad situation.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,9:03 pm
Okay - look. The debate isn't about who has to put up with more crap in high school - it's about a coach who didn't hold up her part of the bargain to present a face of integrity and trust to students or their parents. So let's quit bashing the different sectors of high school life and look at the issue at hand, shall we? And please punctuate your posts. It makes it a lot easier on those of us reading.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,9:04 pm
Sorry Ex-Cheerleader - that was meant to go under the post prior to yours.
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,9:05 pm
hey clovis if you don't wana hear it don't read it=
Posted by stupid people make me mad on Feb. 05 2004,9:13 pm
people, people. We all know what happened. Lets handle this calmly in a timely matter. Just take it down a notch and put your point in bullet for such as the following, it makes them easier to read... (Main subject):- (supporting point a)
- (supporting point b)
* (sub point)
* (sub point)
- (supporting point c)
Thankyou
Posted by current cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,9:20 pm
this is to "smarter then you" im sorry but obviously you have nooo idea what you are talking about. If you are a boy and on the football team, then you've never been at any cheerleading practices or let alone been one of donna's cheerleaders. i was one and i completely agree with everything that ex-cheerleader is saying and yes i still currently am a cheerleader. since this whole incident of donna making this season become a war between ann and herself, many cheerleaders have lost other cheerleadin friends because parents are becoming involved and splitting us all up. Donna never really got herself out of sideline if you ask me because she was constantly attacking everything that ann did. She would belittle ann just as much as she did the girls and may i let you know that she is in fact the biggest gossip queen i know. We all would hear how terrible ann was and even how much ann was gettin paid just so we would all end up not liking ann. I felt very pressured by donna to get ann fired in such situations as the first practice we had where the new assistant coach taught us girls a dance, that some felt was too slutty. And to go along with what concerned parent said, these cheerleaders should have voiced their opinions to ann, just like the parents should have to donna LIKE YOU SAID. But instead the parents went a step above ann and not only went to ross but also to al root. Now, who would have advised this, only DONNA MARTY!! and that isnt a rumor because i was there as she told all of the girls to go to ross and tell him. so ya i feel donna is gettin only what she deserves.
Posted by smarter than you on Feb. 05 2004,9:27 pm
i don't disagree with you at all on that i believe donna took it way too far at times but you obviously don't see all the good things she did for our school seeing as you are more than likely an underclass man because that seems like thats all thats left of our cheer teams, i'm sorry i'm really not trying to be little any of you at all, i agree she can be like that but she can also be a good person, and honestly no one deserves to put up with the constant coments and what not that donna has had to put up with since she moved here
Posted by minna on Feb. 05 2004,9:31 pm
Do cheerleaders still run with their arms pinned straight down?It's all in the colors. I'm from Mason. Mohawk colors are red and black. That meant on game day BLACK stockings and red skirts! Woohoo...LOL
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 05 2004,9:40 pm
You know, "smarter than you," how can it be good for the school when a coach puts girls into abusive and dangerous situations? It a) creates an environment of hostility and fear, and b) an environment of mistrust. This has all made the school look awful. If, as you claim, she can be a good person, then she needs to act on that innate goodness and apologize to the city, the schools, the school faculty and staff, the girls on cheer squad who are or were under her direction, and the families of the girls. Donna's behavior reflects horribly on the school and, by extension, on the district and the town. And if "all thats left of [the] cheer teams" is underclassmen, maybe it's because they trusted this woman and didn't know the kind of working conditions they'd be placed under. I applaud the former and current cheerleaders (and their parents!) who have had the guts to write in their experiences on this message board and debate the issue, as well as all those who have stuck by their guns over the past year and told the truth about what they've seen and experienced.
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,9:42 pm
you obviously havn't been to the high school lately clovis
Posted by Judd on Feb. 05 2004,9:42 pm
For all the blind people(smarter than you,etc.) I've seen it in here before, she who lives in a glass house, should not throw stones. I think you are missing this concept for some reason. What Donna-drama queen- Marty is getting, pales in comparison to what she has given and will give in the future. Just sit back and watch when she is back in action, only then will you truly understand "nasty"!Look, -her two faces-
Posted by reader of comments on Feb. 05 2004,9:45 pm
The first year Marty's were here Donna worked hard at trying to involve people and students in the sports. But one of the remarks she made was "people come to see the cheerleaders" at the football games. Sorry, but that was not true. We went to see the boys play. I think it is sad that she had decided to wait to get the professional until now when it was forced upon her, especially if she knew she needed monthes ago. She is getting it now, even though it is coming at a much higher cost in many ways. By the way there are several adults students and children can look up to: your parents, pastor, most leaders in your community, country, and the list can go on. Life is too short to keep on bickering over the same topic. Like Donna is still center stage here. Just for the record I do support the cheerleaders and what they are saying, I know several of them personally, they are good girls and they are being honest about the verbal abuse and the mind games. I as an adult have seen that. How sad this has all become
Posted by current cheerleader on Feb. 05 2004,9:47 pm
I've known Donna since she's moved here, and personally i agree that yes she has done some great stuff for the school. BUT at what cost did we really need this? No one deserves to be treated the way some of these cheerleaders have been. But like i said, you may think im not seeing the good side of things, but maybe YOU are not seeing the bad side. Especially since you are not, nor were ever a cheerleader and had to put up with that crap. And when you called those girls bitches was this directed to kristen at all because i can assure you that she in no way is a bitch at all. Even if these girls were "mean" to donna like you claim, no teacher or other coach would have done this to them. As an authority figure she had the right to take control, but never ever to start cruel rummors or ridicule these girls in the fashion that she did. By the way, what does being an underclassmen have to do with anything? I still saw and heard what i did no matter how old i am. Also, the reason that there arent any older cheerleaders is because donna hurt those girls soo much that others didnt want to try out and knew her wrath. So ya, i think that its donnas fault that no older girls were in it. Don't you notice that the younger girls tryed out not knowin how donna is?
Posted by ironmaiden on Feb. 05 2004,10:00 pm
Reader of comments, thank you, I totally agree with you and might I add that I have a daughter in cheerleading who has felt the stress of donna marty(even when donna isn't physically there- she often has what we call spies that make note of everything that ann does or says and report is back to her.) I am proud of my daughter for handling this situation so maturely and has stuck with it the whole time. I might also add that i've witnessed what a great coach ann is and how she supports, cares for, and encourages the girls.
Posted by candy on Feb. 05 2004,10:10 pm
Best points made to date..... -what was a married woman doing out alone and sloppy drunk @ 2:44 a.m.? Had she made it home, what was she going to do about competition practice @ 6:00 a.m. ? What is her previous record (not a pretty picture)? Have you ever seen her nasty E-mails, letters to the editor,behavior at a booster club meeting? Why were complaints of violence and alcohol abuse ignored in our school system? How many times has she lost..her children after football games? How many times has she shown up drunk @ practice/games? All of the current and ex-cheerleaders were there at one time or another,were you?....... These are all verifiable facts and statements, lets reflect, shall we? Please, no knocks against the cheer girls, they have already had to put up with Drama-Donna, Isn't that enough? Lets look at the facts, would you want your daughter to be like Donna?
Posted by Rupert on Feb. 05 2004,10:18 pm
Ironmaiden, I have also witnessed this vindictiveness you speak of. Has this other woman ever done anything to donna? I would be shocked if she did.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 05 2004,10:34 pm
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| i think you should all lay off of her first of all its none of your buisness, if the school deems that she shouldn't coach anymore thats their buisness |
Ahhhh, I think she is paid for by taxpayers dollars, so in essence it would be their business...
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| smarter than youas well as the fact that she has a disease not just a problem its not something she can control anymore |
If this is in reference to alcohol, pfffst. yes you can control, STOP DRINKING
I have read this whole post, and the one thing that puzzles me is, I was taught when someone either an authority figure or just and average joe gets in your face and starts the smack down, lay it back on them, don't back down, stick to your guns and belittle them, don't parents teach their kids to question authority when something is a-miss? If I was a cheerleader, in that type of situation, boy o boy would I have fun picking her apart in front of the whole squad.
This biatch is getting what she deserved, what comes around goes around. And now we are to feel sorry for her, when she herself would be all high and mighty. Call it Karma, call it fate, call it what-ever you want. Shes getting the smack down and she doesn't like it very-well.
I think all of the EX-Cheerleaders that are posting here would have first hand knowledge of what she is really like, as they were their, and I respect their comming forward, guess people should have listened earlier about this, and nipped this in the bud before it got this far..
Screw the biatch, and the high horse she fell off of...
PS JIM-
I totally agree with you on military service like Isreal and the like. And we need to return to the old days of BASIC, to many sissy boys in the military now. Military has gone PC to the max and it sux....
Posted by 180 on Feb. 05 2004,10:53 pm
Sadly, honesty and dignity are no longer valued Dragon. What is valued is winning at any cost. I can see it now. You try to pick her apart and you are kicked off the team. You go to the school and others and guess what? They tell you so what...tough. You lose. It isn't that easy, especially when other girls and their parents are willing to play the game.
Posted by TJ on Feb. 05 2004,10:58 pm
"candy" says it all above... look at this and listen. Who else is wondering about her first two points. They are fabulous! I think if I was married to her I would be wondering, wouldn't you? And the second point? There is no argument that "ex-cheerleaders" don't need to prove anything, this illustrates it all very clear. What do you all think?
Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,11:05 pm
ya i completely agree with candy on that. these people who worship the ground she walks on need to step back and listen to others sides of the story. You are as bad as the ppl that say all those little boys claiming that priests or michael jackson or any older figures abuse them in a physical manner or sexual, were liars. You need to listen to kids when they tell you something is seriously wrong because in most cases they are right and no one notices untill it blows up and is shown for all to see
Posted by minna on Feb. 05 2004,11:08 pm
Dat's easy...what was a married woman doing out alone and sloppy drunk @ 2:44 a.m.?----> Trying to get home after partying...tying one on...getting getruncken
Had she made it home, what was she going to do about competition practice @ 6:00 a.m. ? ---->Wake n' Bake...She gets up at 5:00 goes to the fridge, pops open a Bud Light and poors it into a tall glass of tomato juice, drops a couple slices of toast and by 5:45 a.m. she's out the door with a couple cans of swill in tow.
Posted by to minna on Feb. 05 2004,11:49 pm
She works at a place that serves alcohol and had a few drinks after hours with workers.
Posted by responder on Feb. 05 2004,11:54 pm
This is definitely the Albert Lea gossip area. 13 pages on Donna Marty and is it getting anyone anywhere? Can you say...PATHETIC?
Posted by minna on Feb. 06 2004,12:00 am
No, I'd say add a few high school chearleaders in the mix and the numbers blow past 2000 views. When men think hot girls are on the net they're like hunters...no, they're like monkeys in a cage pressing a mouse button for food...LOL 
Posted by 180 on Feb. 06 2004,12:01 am
Your man is throbbing
Posted by guest on Feb. 06 2004,7:59 am
this is in response to the post put up for minna. First off, i'm pretty sure that donna doesnt work anywhere so you are incorrect on that part. Going along with that, she claims to the town that she is unable to find work because of al root and ross williams....so how could she be working? Also, if she had a "few drinks" like you claim...then how is it she got enough of a buzz to be able to miss a parked car and a HOUSE? this woman knew she had girls that would be waiting for her the next morning (few hours from then) and she still choose to get wasted. doesnt sound like a great role model to me at all.
Posted by guest on Feb. 06 2004,8:31 am
actually she works at the elks, had some drinks there and was drunk when she left. and then after work she went to another bar and got totally smashed there, she was there untill she was told to leave, a woman offered her a ride home then went to the bathroom, and when she came back donna was gone.
Posted by TJ on Feb. 06 2004,8:40 am
Last time I was at a bar they closed at 1:00a.m. What was she doing from 1:00 to 2:44, nearly two hours later. This was also on a weeknight. Shady lady indeed!
Posted by candy on Feb. 06 2004,8:46 am
"responder" I say you are the one that is pathetic. There is very little gossip here,99% is verifiable fact! You must be one of those "pathetic" enablers who were responsible for helping this drunken psycho achieve her current level of excellence!!!
Posted by GuEsT on Feb. 06 2004,8:56 am
people who were not there and didn't know donna really don't know what they are talking about. yes everyone has a right to their opinion..BUT if you are not sure on facts DON'T SAY THEM. check your sources. i know donna from cheerleading, but i also knew her at home and what she was like with her family. and there were times when i was scared being at her house.things she did were not things a normal moral person would do and say. i was at one practice when i did smell alcohol on her breath but it was a practice over break so we weren't able to reach ross until we returned to school. .......oh and in response to who said the suit would ring up to 50,000 at 10,000 per victim........ you think there were only 5 girls that were abused? think again..... donna better get out of detox rather quick and get another job for that hefty check. there were 9 girls(that i know of) that quit mid-season, and 7+ girls that stuck it out until after the season was done. and people wonder why there is majority freshman out on the floor?? and thanks to ann for all she did (and tried to do) its a tough job and many respect you for what you are doing! we love you! 
Posted by xcheer on Feb. 06 2004,9:03 am
anyone that is still backing donna better snap out of it and get a reality check because you know (you HAVE to know) that donna is a bad person. yes people make mistakes BUT not that kind of a mistake and all the other crap she pulls. that is not a sign of a good person. you know it and i know it. wake up and smell the alcohol.
Posted by Judd on Feb. 06 2004,9:06 am
Right on guest! But considering that albert lea has one of the best alcohol and drug treatment centers around, Donna isn't at Rochester for that. Her psychological problems are bordering on catastrophic. FYI
Posted by dead grass on Feb. 06 2004,11:22 am
Coach Marty got Albert Lea one win in football in 2003.
Posted by Rupert on Feb. 06 2004,11:58 am
Yes "dead grass" coach jeff marty did a fine job with our struggling program. Hats off to him. However, coach donna marty is the issue, and she is a virus that has spread into our community.
Posted by sad on Feb. 06 2004,12:59 pm
the rest of the martys are good people.....the problem is donna. too bad we can't get rid of her without getting rid of the rest of her family......
Posted by TJ on Feb. 06 2004,1:37 pm
The rest of the Marty's are indeed good people, but there is no overlooking Donna, is there. And just look what Donna has brought upon the rest of her family. That is truly "sad".
Posted by dead grass on Feb. 06 2004,2:33 pm
Why is Jeff Marty coaching basketball?
Posted by guest on Feb. 06 2004,3:21 pm
cuz he can....? what kinda q is that
Posted by Guest 99 on Feb. 06 2004,3:25 pm
I want to know true facts. What actually did donna do that was so bad to the cheerleaders or comp team? I'm not on comp or any of that so i just want to know what is going on that there are so many negative feeling towards her. PS, please don't just bit*h me out on this. I just want to know for sure from reliable sorces. Thank you
Posted by minnow on Feb. 06 2004,3:39 pm
She coached the team while drunken...any questions?
Posted by ironmaiden on Feb. 06 2004,4:25 pm
Actually, Guest 99, I think that the x-cheerleaders and the current one that posted did a good job of telling how she pegged" out certain ones and started rumors about them, how she irrationally behaved and told them inappropriate things about others and her families financial situations, chastised them for in her own words being too nice to Ann. The list goes on, showing up with alcohol on her breathe, crying constantly..................... I know that this doesn't cover it, but, it is just a short list.
Posted by guest on Feb. 06 2004,4:34 pm
guest 99 ... please just read the 15 pages of things shes done... none of them are made up... its all the truth. :cool:
Posted by Judd on Feb. 06 2004,5:03 pm
"guest" 99 - she was out at 2:44 a.m. ,drunk, hit a parked car and a house. She ran from the cops, and when arrested cursed and slapped them, she has a long list of charges to face. This is only the current issues, she has been a thorn in the side of everyone who has come within yelling distance of her. She was a drunken, overbearing,control freak who belittled everyone around her. She has been seriously verbally abusive to all administration,some parents, and the girls she coached. Her severe psychiatric problems have finally come to a head and it is about time- she will be spending a while in the loony bin, where she is at this time. If you need more details just review the previous 14 pages. It is 99% truth, I know it is hard to believe, but if you knew her you would see the horrible truths about this drunken psycho control-freak!
Posted by minna on Feb. 06 2004,6:31 pm
Her husband must be a real wussy. I mean, I'd help my wife you can bet on that. What an utter and complete wimp, poor father and husband. Don't tell me he couldn't have taken control of her behavior. Hell, she even dominated her husband...LOL what a wimp. How is he supposed to face his football players now? Our coach, the pusswhipped wussy...
Posted by metroguest on Feb. 06 2004,7:26 pm
This topic shows the total incompetence of Albert Lea school administration. 1st mistake: backround checks when hiring. Were they done properly?
2nd mistake:When problems were brought forth, their (adm) over educated class system attitude of parents and students can't know more than us paralyzed their reactions.
3rd mistake: No investigation, drug or alcohol testing in a timely manner etc; even though they have a policeman at the school.
The big story here isn't Marty ( even though many think she is getting what she deserved) but why the administration completely ignored a problem until it almost collapsed a program.
Both staff issues and financial ones will continue until the district replaces the bureaucrats in hidden offices located away from students with ones based in reality .
The adm will continue to babble they are doing the right thing for children while mistake after mistake is covered up with the excuse of :state mandates, less students, not enough local levy is the cause of our problems.
The adm of the district is more than happy to have the attention focused on Marty , it keeps the public fooled into thinking they (adm) just stepped in and solved a problem (that they helped create) ! In government this is called job security.
Wake up Albert Lea, take back your school. Nothing will change until people challenge and question.
Posted by Minnow on Feb. 06 2004,7:37 pm
You are correct sir...that's why I've advised the parties involved to file a class action against the school district. This group or many of them turned of me....! See what kind of city this is?
Posted by Thinking it through on Feb. 06 2004,8:33 pm
Metroguest and Minnow, I agree with both of you. Remember, if an administrator or person in a supervisory position is aware of abuse (of any form) and does nothing about it, they are as liable for the abuse as the person directly incurring that abuse, and in this case that is alledgedly, Mrs Marty. With all the documentation that previous posts have mentioned, and with all the various persons involved as victims, these former cheerleaders have a strong case against District 241. Get an attorney.
Posted by appauled on Feb. 06 2004,10:49 pm
I have said it before and again, a tax payer financed assault against our taxpayers,is not what we need. Go after Donna and see to it she is never near another youth again. It's not that I totally disagree with you fellas, but geez, the only winners in something like this is the lawyers. And i really don't care to finance their third SUV out of my pocket. Tax dollars are already wasted at an alarming rate in this community?
Posted by minna on Feb. 06 2004,11:00 pm
Yes...yes it IS exactly what we need. The district must be taught a lesson so as not to cost us more in the future. It's when we let events like this slip by without correction that we begin to slide off the slippery slope. These girls deserve more than an apology... and even that isn't forthcoming. They deserve justice and if that means a correction so be it!
Posted by Torked on Feb. 06 2004,11:01 pm
good point but maybe if the morons in charge in Albert Lea would start thinking about & be held accountable for their decisions this garbage would stop.Sue the school districts ass & Donna' too. Sick of this BS.
Posted by metroguest on Feb. 07 2004,10:17 am
The district has insurance for incompetent administators. It's a called errors and omissions liabilty insurance. Paying $100,000 to a previous guy ( Kruse) to go away caused a new state law where superintendents must now disclose if they have been paid to leave. Albert Lea was the second school he ripped off , the other was up here in the metro, Prior Lake. At that time Albert Lea was hiring him it was brought to the chairpersons attention but she decided to not to tell the rest of the board he had been paid and let go. Call Mary Ann Dixon she can tell you all about it. I'm surprised she isn't Mayor by now.
Letting inept people run your government doesn't help your problems down there.
Posted by concerned citizen on Feb. 07 2004,10:32 am
I think there were some good points brought out throughout this whole saga. But the ideas of bringing law suites against the school district----we the tax payers will be the ones footing the bill. Do any of you or your parents really want that??? We are already paying higher taxes because the tax levies passed for the school, which I supported, for the new jail and court house, which I did not support (it was built in the 50's if my info was correct) and I didn't see much of a need for a new court house. By the way no one is going to be taought a lesson by a law suite, the lawyers will just get richer and our taxes will just go higher. My, minna you have a lot to say.....you seem to be very critical of a lot things. Coach Jeff Marty is a great guy and coach. I sincerely believe he has and is doing everything he can to keep his family together. Have you every been involved in a sitation where you were the abused person and felt stuck or didn't know where to turn for support and help? It is much easier said than done, you can ask any person that has been in an abusive situation. Donna has some major problems and they are being taken care of by professionals as we speak. This in retrospect may have been the best thing that could have happened even though I would not have wished it on my worst enemy, .......pray for her to get completely well and for her family to get through this tough time. Jeff is a super coach and a man well deserving of respect and for you to call him the names you did was in poor judgement you obviously don't know him. Yes, the boys did have 1 win in 2003, were you there? Or are you one of the people that continually criticize the whole football team? If you look at some stats from previous teams that have had to rebuild a program, it does not happen in a short period of time. We have seen some major steps in the right direction towards rebuilding the football program. Let's support Jeff and the family, not tear down the parent those kids have that is a responsible person. As for your language clean it up, most of don't appreciate it and it really does not make your points look any better. Look how many pages this whole thing has taken up it is pathatic that it is a continual bashing of what is to be done about Donna and the school district........maybe just maybe we should start with goinhg to the school board with all of the concerns and take the proper steps in this. I do agree with the person that stated they should do random drug test, it something a lot of business are doing to keep a situation like this from happening. It is sad that our society as gotten to a point of needing to drug test employee to keep our children and citizens of a community safe. And by the way minna that was a pretty sexist remark you made about guys, girls, and monkeys. Not all guys are thinking about girls in the way you implied, and I am talking about guys that respect girls. Give it a rest
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 07 2004,11:07 am
hey everyone have a great week-end and enough of the Donna thing......we all know she was abusive to several girls, boys, parents of kids she didn't like, is an acholic, is mentally unstable, really don't know for sure what she was like at home, even though I do know of a few things that were abusive towards her kids which leads me to believe her behaviour at home would be the same as it was towards the girls. But anyway we are not solving any problems here....let the authorities do that......her time has come and she is paying a huge price and so is her family......so can we start talking about some positive things now??? Let's see what we can do to help support Jeff and the family through this. Any ideas?? I'm not sure if they will answer any phone calls but maybe that is a start, send them a supportive note or letter.....most of all pray for all of them including Donna.....the Lord forgives all of us for the wrongs we have done, no matter how bad...that is what forgiveness is all about.....she needs healing just like the rest of us who have been abused by her words and actions
Posted by Nose for News on Feb. 07 2004,11:28 am
MetroguestPrior Lake paid $100,000 Albert lea paid $187,000
Can be expensive keeping status quo . Easy come easy go.
Cy Kruse, Albert Lea, 1994
Session Weekly, Feb. 16—23, 1995
Superintendent buy-outs Legislation on its way to the House floor would ensure that school districts know whether a candidate for superintendent left the same position in another district via a contract buyout.
The House Education Committee Feb. 23 approved a bill that would require superintendents who have their contracts bought out to disclose that information to would-be employers when applying for the same position elsewhere.
Bill sponsor Rep. Ron Kraus (IR-Albert Lea) said the disclosure requirements would provide protection for taxpayers who fund the sometimes costly buyout procedures.
The bill is the result of events in Kraus’ hometown, where school district officials learned too late of their superintendent’s earlier buyout.
In December 1994, the Albert Lea School District agreed to pay $187,000 to buy out the contract of Superintendent Cy Kruse. When Kruse was hired in 1989, the district was not aware that his former employer, Prior Lake-Savage Area Schools, had paid $100,000 to buy out his contract earlier that year.
The Albert Lea district may have made a different decision if it had known of the earlier buyout, according to Kraus. The expense of the buyout deals has people "outraged," he added.
"This legislation would prevent or help to prevent the recurrence of the scenario playing out in Albert Lea," said Gerald Skaar, an Albert Lea school board member.
The bill stipulates that superintendent candidates have to disclose the information even if the original buyout included a non-disclosure agreement. The bill contains a provision that would void the contracts of superintendents who fail to disclose the buyout information.
In testimony against HF496, Dale Jensen, of the Minnesota Association of School Administrators, said the bill is "designed for one person."
"I don’t know of any people who have been bought out in two communities other than the situation [in Albert Lea]," he said.
Jensen warned the bill will add another barrier to keep people from pursuing superintendent positions.
Changes in the law in recent years have clamped down on some of the practices that made superintendent jobs more lucrative. In 1993, for example, the Legislature tightened salary cap restrictions to include car allowances and other items that had been paid to superintendents as "non-salary" items.
"This bill adds one more reason for people to not want to become a superintendent," Jensen said.
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 07 2004,11:50 am
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 06 2004,11:22:am) |
| Coach Marty got Albert Lea one win in football in 2003. |
and the team has improved a great deal and is making strides in the right direction. Maybe a few more guys should go out for the sport so the boys that play could have a few breaks and not need to play both sides of the ball. Instead of so many people focusing on the losses and why they lost they should encourage more boys to play and not put all the value on winning but playing your best from the start of the game to the end.
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 07 2004,12:03 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 04 2004,11:36:pm) |
| "She has called me and reamed me over the coals quite badly" Huh? So your hands got burnt right? While you were getting reamed were you on your hands and knees or on your back? |
I really don't appreciated your crude remarks. You need to clean up your attitude and have some respect. I think you know ecactly what reamed over the coals mean and to make it derogitory shows that you, yourself have no respect for anyone, including yourself!!!! Clean it up and get really with the issue, no one appreciates your crude remarks
Posted by registered on Feb. 07 2004,12:12 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 06 2004,6:31:pm) |
| Her husband must be a real wussy. I mean, I'd help my wife you can bet on that. What an utter and complete wimp, poor father and husband. Don't tell me he couldn't have taken control of her behavior. Hell, she even dominated her husband...LOL what a wimp. How is he supposed to face his football players now? Our coach, the pusswhipped wussy... |
I hope you go back and read a few of your earlier remarks you will find some items there. Coach Jeff Marty is a man of dignity and deserves respect....you have no right to call him the names you called him. Do you have any respect for adults at all?
It would seem not. If you are a young person, I have question for you and your parents. Are they teaching you to have respect for others and your self or are you being taught the selfish ways of I am entitled to my opinion and no one else matters? If the latter is true I feel really sorry for you and the people around you. What a negative attitude on life. All the critcism you are giving Donna belong right back in your backdoor because you sound like you would be as vindicative as she has been.
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 07 2004,12:15 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 05 2004,11:08:pm) |
| Dat's easy... what was a married woman doing out alone and sloppy drunk @ 2:44 a.m.?----> Trying to get home after partying...tying one on...getting getruncken Had she made it home, what was she going to do about competition practice @ 6:00 a.m. ? ---->Wake n' Bake...She gets up at 5:00 goes to the fridge, pops open a Bud Light and poors it into a tall glass of tomato juice, drops a couple slices of toast and by 5:45 a.m. she's out the door with a couple cans of swill in tow. |
get a life. this not a joking matter don't make it into one. a lot of people have been hurt through this whole thing. growup
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 07 2004,12:18 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 07 2004,11:28:am) |
| Metroguest Prior Lake paid $100,000 Albert lea paid $187,000 Can be expensive keeping status quo . Easy come easy go. Cy Kruse, Albert Lea, 1994 Session Weekly, Feb. 16—23, 1995 Superintendent buy-outs Legislation on its way to the House floor would ensure that school districts know whether a candidate for superintendent left the same position in another district via a contract buyout. The House Education Committee Feb. 23 approved a bill that would require superintendents who have their contracts bought out to disclose that information to would-be employers when applying for the same position elsewhere. Bill sponsor Rep. Ron Kraus (IR-Albert Lea) said the disclosure requirements would provide protection for taxpayers who fund the sometimes costly buyout procedures. The bill is the result of events in Kraus’ hometown, where school district officials learned too late of their superintendent’s earlier buyout. In December 1994, the Albert Lea School District agreed to pay $187,000 to buy out the contract of Superintendent Cy Kruse. When Kruse was hired in 1989, the district was not aware that his former employer, Prior Lake-Savage Area Schools, had paid $100,000 to buy out his contract earlier that year. The Albert Lea district may have made a different decision if it had known of the earlier buyout, according to Kraus. The expense of the buyout deals has people "outraged," he added. "This legislation would prevent or help to prevent the recurrence of the scenario playing out in Albert Lea," said Gerald Skaar, an Albert Lea school board member. The bill stipulates that superintendent candidates have to disclose the information even if the original buyout included a non-disclosure agreement. The bill contains a provision that would void the contracts of superintendents who fail to disclose the buyout information. In testimony against HF496, Dale Jensen, of the Minnesota Association of School Administrators, said the bill is "designed for one person." "I don’t know of any people who have been bought out in two communities other than the situation [in Albert Lea]," he said. Jensen warned the bill will add another barrier to keep people from pursuing superintendent positions. Changes in the law in recent years have clamped down on some of the practices that made superintendent jobs more lucrative. In 1993, for example, the Legislature tightened salary cap restrictions to include car allowances and other items that had been paid to superintendents as "non-salary" items. "This bill adds one more reason for people to not want to become a superintendent," Jensen said. |
thank you for all your information, I hope that everyone finds it helpful in understanding just a small portion of the political system. I think we all need to be both more informed and better informed on what goes on at the state level that affects our school districts and our families. Thanks again.
Posted by minna on Feb. 07 2004,12:56 pm
"I think you know ecactly what reamed over the coals mean"It's RAKED over the coals you idiot! LOL
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 07 2004,1:19 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 07 2004,12:56:pm) |
| "I think you know ecactly what reamed over the coals mean" It's RAKED over the coals you idiot! LOL |
the words really don't make a whole lot of difference reamed or raked both terms have been used in the context they were used in, the point was understood. So to call someone an idiot over that shows a lot of your character. You have lot to say about someone else being abusive when the majority of your statements are either derogitory or degrading to someone at one point or another. Sort of reminds of the person you are criticizing. Something to think about.....
Posted by minna on Feb. 07 2004,2:18 pm
"both terms have been used in the context they were used in"Who, by you?
Raked means:
1. To gather or move with or as if with a rake: rake leaves; rake in the gambling chips.
2. To smooth, scrape, or loosen with a rake or similar implement: rake the soil for planting.
Reamed means:
1. To form, shape, taper, or enlarge (a hole) with or as if with a reamer.
LOL
Posted by unregistered on Feb. 07 2004,2:59 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 07 2004,2:18:pm) |
| "both terms have been used in the context they were used in" Who, by you? Raked means: 1. To gather or move with or as if with a rake: rake leaves; rake in the gambling chips. 2. To smooth, scrape, or loosen with a rake or similar implement: rake the soil for planting. Reamed means: 1. To form, shape, taper, or enlarge (a hole) with or as if with a reamer. LOL |
So I stand corrected on the use of the terms, thank you. Maybe you should look up the word idiot while you are looking up words. I am not an idiot, as the dictionary would define it and while you are at it you should look up some other words we use as slang. There are several that would not follow the meaning givenin the dictionary. I still stand on my view of your attitude. You have been criticizing Donna M for being such a rotten person and her husband for not being a good father and husband in ways that I choose not to repeat. You have been as guilty of belittling as what Donna had done in the past. You are not funny and not nearly as smart as you may think. Choose your role models carefully
Posted by minna on Feb. 07 2004,3:09 pm
So...were you on you hands and knees or on your back?
Posted by no need to know on Feb. 07 2004,3:39 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 07 2004,3:09:pm) |
| So...were you on you hands and knees or on your back? |
Your quite the person...have great life and grow up
Posted by minna on Feb. 07 2004,3:47 pm
Ya, well at least I don't get drunk and spend all my time hanging out with high school kids, bossing them around making them experience my alcohol induced mood roller coaster. When I was a kid I hated that chit. When it happened I didn't just eat it. Look at my picture in the registered users forum. I was 11 in that pic and didn't let dumb, smart ass drunken adults push me around...go look into my eyes...I was 11.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Feb. 07 2004,4:15 pm
I did and you was stoned.....
Posted by ironmaiden on Feb. 07 2004,4:53 pm
Let me bring things into perspective a bit. Donna is not now nor has been employed by the district since late Sept. or early Oct. when she quit being the sideline coach. She continued her coaching with the comp team without pay. Pretty sure anything that happened from that point on is not the responsibility of the district. However, many of these accusations date back to last year when she was brought up before the board. At that time they thought that she was overstressed doing it all by herself and brought in an assistant coach. This is the same individual who reluctantly took over the coaching duties after Donna left. She is very dedicated to the girls on the team and has a different less aggressive approach than Donna did. Some parents of the cheerleaders that were and STILL are avid Donna supporters have been very unkind to the new coach. It is really disgusting.I believe that they want what is best for Donna and without realizing it put that before the safety and well being of their own daughters and certainly that of the new coach, she gets very little support. They still were talking about Donna's return to coaching just last weeK!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Straight shooter on Feb. 07 2004,4:58 pm
A lawsuit is exactly the solution if, in fact, abuses have occurred. It is not about what it will cost the taxpayers, as stated previously, there is insurance for such suits. Similar to the counties MCLU lawsuit defense, it would be paid for by insurance. In both cases the only problem would be if the insurance company were to drop the insured. In such a case, the uninsured would look for new insurance. That said, it is up to each individual involved to join in a claim. The students stated they had complained to both the athletic director and the principal, about the abuses, and nothing was done. They certainly could have appealed to the superintendent and/or the school board but that appears not to have happened. None the less, it was ultimately incumbent upon the principal to investigate and to make these allegations known to his supervisors, not having done that (if he truly did not), still makes the School District liable. If the abuse happened to your children what would you do? Would you allow it or would you make it public? There were obvious systems breakdowns here and these need to be fixed. As an addendum, I would like to say that I did not read about this incident or any other in the paper and that this is the only place where I have garnered any information, so if the information we have been given is correct then I would not hesitate to ask my child what happened, gather up documents and information and get together with all other persons that this happened to and go see an attorney, one that specializes in cases against school districts. If, on the other hand, the information is not correct I would be very ashamed of myself.
Posted by Gossip on Feb. 07 2004,5:08 pm
Why don't we get a moderator in here and lock this thread...it's gotten way out of control...SLANDER IS A CRIME!!!
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 07 2004,5:41 pm
Posted by Gossip| Quote |
| Why don't we get a moderator in here and lock this thread...it's gotten way out of control... SLANDER IS A CRIME!!! |
Sorry but people are entitled to their opinions, so just STFU.
And it is not slander, slander is said. Libel is in print.
If you don't like what you have read here, then don't read it, no one is making you read this topic. Nuff said...
Posted by Montyman on Feb. 07 2004,5:45 pm
Didn't you start this crappy, out of line post gossip?Why don't you register?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 07 2004,6:10 pm
I think it was started by lala.Besides, I hate it when some one reads something that they don't agree with and then start whinning to have a thread locked. No one is forcing them to read anything.
So the only thing I hear is WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!.
Posted by Quotable Quotes on Feb. 07 2004,6:16 pm
The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next. ---Abraham Lincoln
Posted by Lone wolf on Feb. 07 2004,9:40 pm
I see that some of you Donna Marty-supporting parents have found this discussion. You are a destructive bunch. Is Donna worth killing the program? You are on your way. As long as you maintain your blind ignorance and Donna is in town this programs future is done this year. And why would anyone other than you and donna disagree? When you successfully kill the program maybe Donna can organize a weekly 1:00a.m. cheer-fest outside Harolds bar. She would be there in all of her drunken, psychotic glory. Would you still let your daughter participate? You probably would! Maybe you should proceed to get your "idiot parent of the year" award, hang it next to Donna's bogus"coach of the year" award, and you could drink, celebrate,and be clueless idiots. Have a great time, just realize that it is at the expense of your daughter and others.
Posted by Montyman on Feb. 07 2004,9:47 pm
Not a parent Lone wolf.If she has a problem, she should get help.
But is it really our business to say some of the things on this thread.
My opinion is no.
Posted by Lone wolf on Feb. 07 2004,9:51 pm
point taken Montyman, but if you truly knew what is and has been going on, you would see things differently. I am positive of this.
Posted by AllTheWay on Feb. 08 2004,6:52 pm
she messed up big time, why rub it in? just think about if her kids found this thread, im sure that would raise their spirits some.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 08 2004,6:58 pm
The story isn't about Donna Marty as much as its about district 241 incompetence.Capeesh?
Posted by lady on Feb. 08 2004,7:53 pm
ALPD had a busy night? Seems all of AL has had a busy week bashing Donna Marty and her family. If you don't have anything good to say about someone, don't say anything at all.
Posted by carebear on Feb. 08 2004,9:30 pm
minnow~ where is the love? You must not have children, lock this thread and start another regarding your topicCapeesh?
Posted by Lone wolf on Feb. 08 2004,10:20 pm
But don't you see the story IS about donna, and you parents who keep defending her are a far more destructive bunch than anyone in here could ever be! The problem is the fact that Donna needs to be done with any employment or contacts with children in this community! If someone pissed off Donna, would she say- oh it's okay, everybody makes mistakes, why don't you all lay off them. Hell no! She would be at their throat even with no justifiable reason. If you know her and don't see that you are a blundering FOOL!
Posted by Lone wolf on Feb. 09 2004,9:45 pm
In a society where bad things happen to good people every day, Isn't it amazing how the biggest losers get all the sympathy. Trample down the good people on your way to comfort the bad? Shame on you, Donna - fans!
Posted by Montyman on Feb. 09 2004,10:01 pm
If you know her, get her some help, maybe.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 09 2004,10:02 pm
Don't take Donna personally and let it get to you many years later...it was just the Jesus juice talking. 
Posted by Jesus Juice on Feb. 09 2004,10:54 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Feb. 09 2004,10:02:pm) |
| it was just the Jesus juice talking. |
Donna loves drinking the Jesus juice.
-JJ
Posted by ex-football player on Feb. 12 2004,2:08 pm
I hate to say it, but i do agree with the ex-cheer girls....I used to play football for Mr. Marty, i know the kids and i know Donna....I remember a time, lifting weights when the cheerleaders were also in there lifting. Donna used very abusive and vulgar language to these girls. Ok so maybe the cheerleaders weren't putting full effort into lifting weights but is it professional to tell highschool girls they are fat and lazy? Kid's minds are impressionable at that age and when an authority figure is calling them fat, ugly and lazy, i am sure it hurts. Donna is known to drink more than her fair share and i don't agree with what she did. All i know is that she is in Rochester getting some help....my prayers aren't for donna but they are for the family....she has some great kids and Jeff is a nice guy too....granted not a great football coach but a nice guy none-the-less......Bring back Coach Cunningham.....he was a prick but a hell of a coach in my eyes.
Posted by ex-football player on Feb. 12 2004,2:32 pm
| Quote (Guest @ Feb. 06 2004,7:59:am) |
| this is in response to the post put up for minna. First off, i'm pretty sure that donna doesnt work anywhere so you are incorrect on that part. Going along with that, she claims to the town that she is unable to find work because of al root and ross williams....so how could she be working? Also, if she had a "few drinks" like you claim...then how is it she got enough of a buzz to be able to miss a parked car and a HOUSE? this woman knew she had girls that would be waiting for her the next morning (few hours from then) and she still choose to get wasted. doesnt sound like a great role model to me at all. |
she works at the Eagles club serving drinks and she didn't miss the parked car and house, she hit both.....definately drunk.....i guess thats what happens when you drink too much and can't call a cab...
Posted by minnow on Feb. 12 2004,3:07 pm
We'd see who's fat and lazy...and stupid when I'd force district 241 to answer in a court of law, for covering up her on the job drinking. Don't you see, this little town attracts those who can't find good jobs in bigger markets. We get the misfits...da losers...
Trouble is, is that these people stay here, in part because they know they can't "act out" elswhere and move up into authority positions where they hire losers like themselves...a vicious circle.
The only way to stop that injustice is to sue. Then...! This town is so screwed up, people get mad at you, telling you should just except it! Can you believe it? I can't...
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 12 2004,4:12 pm
minnow,I actually think that you are quite witty and mostly humorous, and I realize the merit of a lot of what you say, but I don't get the comment about the type of people that come to Albert Lea. Are you saying that good talented people don't get sick of big city living and move to smaller communities, sometimes even for less pay? That does not happen ever? They only come to smaller towns because they can't hack it elsewhere? What does that say about those who never leave?
I have met some great people in this county that came from outside. Some keep a low profile. One that I know is a famous composer, others have been very successful in many fields, including retired military, education, civil service, etc.
Don't sell your home so short, yea the lake should be cleaned-up, it is embarassing when it turns crayon green, (I don't understand the dump being uphill), and sometimes the townspeople are their own worse enemies, but it has some really cool qualities like peace and quiet and nice folks.
If you allow the arrival of a few outsider duds to make you think that only losers come here, you are missing out on meeting some great people who did. If you ever lived in a big city, and watched your kids come home terrified after some gang shooting happened in front of the school, you would know why people apply for jobs in towns this size. It is a great attraction to live in a community where the worse thing happening is a drunken cheer coach pulling a hit and run at 2:45 in the morning
I would say that with all the discussion it caused, (and I think you have a valid point about getting attorney's) that the community on the whole must be a pretty cool place to raise kids, or retire.I have thought about moving away, but the place grows on you (sometimes like fungus
) and there really are some fun interesting cool people here.
Posted by minnow fan on Feb. 12 2004,4:58 pm
| Quote (MrTarzan @ Feb. 12 2004,4:12:pm) |
| the community on the whole must be a pretty cool place to raise kids, or retire. |
Can't argue with that point, the biggest problem in Albert Lea is the need for sustainable jobs for people aged 18-55.
Other areas are sucking the youth out of Albert Lea like crazy and that does not bode well for the future.
I just hope Sparky & Pam let the new city manager in on the secrets of all their past successes in Albert Lea.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 12 2004,5:05 pm
Gabe is a perfect example of who I'm talking about.
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 12 2004,5:18 pm
It isn't so remarkable how the board acts in the counsel meetings after watching Gabe and three commissioners slam tall glasses of beers at Applebee's all afternoon before the last meeting. ;) They were not even sneaky. They were loudly talking about how to get rid of the taperecorder (or break it on Dan's head) and they decided who would motion what, when and who would second it. They discussed keeping things rolling fast enough that Dan would be squeezed out. Never did like to see four on one at the playground, wonder what the Duke would have done? Must have been an interesting meeting, maybe we should give breath tests before meeting. :cool:
Posted by minnow fan on Feb. 12 2004,5:27 pm
Put it this way...As long as Gabe & Sparky have power in Albert Lea, Albert Lea will continue to be the azzhole of Minnesota.
Posted by Madd Max on Feb. 12 2004,7:21 pm
Minnow fannice picture of the top of the Farmland plant looking into Albert Lea reminds me of the old days.
Posted by cwolff on Feb. 12 2004,7:57 pm
The three commissioners cannot meet at a public place like mentioned, otherwise they would be conducting an illegal meeting and violating open meeting laws.
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 12 2004,8:27 pm
I did'nt know that cwolff, but they did, and they put it on G's tab. Wonder if that was a county card Ask the Applebee's crew, one of the waitresses even joined them for a bit. I don't mind a good brewski my selfski, , but I remember my better half asking me if they should be drinking that much before a meeting. I joked with her about it probably helping them get along with Belshan and next we would hear a tape with them all singing together on it. The place was crowded, if they should not have been doing it, that was pretty brazen
Posted by minnow fan on Feb. 12 2004,9:26 pm
| Quote (MrTarzan @ Feb. 12 2004,8:27:pm) |
| that was pretty brazen |
Not really when you are above the law.
Maybe the driver that evening was legally drunk as well, not a problem when you have the Sheriff in your back pocket. It's good to be king!
Posted by super girl on Feb. 13 2004,10:46 am
i am a former cheerleader of donna marty's! you should all be ashamed of urselves! people from her family and her friends read this! what you have heard about her hurting her family is all not true! she is getting help and we are all standing behind her! why would would stand by the kinda of woman you are talking about! put two and two together what you are saying can't be true! your not only hurting her ur hurting her faimly and people that love her!
Posted by minnow on Feb. 13 2004,12:28 pm
"she is getting help"Huh?
If nothing was wrong or she wasn't drinking on the job than why is she getting help? ....because she ran into a parked car while driving drunk, is that why?
Have you and the family ever considered doing the right thing and compensating the girls effected by Donna's behavior?
Perhaps you could start a victims compensation fund or something and prove to us how serious you truly are.
Posted by super girl on Feb. 13 2004,2:33 pm
yes she has a drinkin problem but i am very close to her family and everyone in it.... and she would never hurt and of them drunk er not! she is getting help and sees she has a problem i think you should give her some credit for that! she has never treated any f us girls badly. the ones who whine about her are the ones who couldn't handle being on a sport.. she was a coach who new how far we could go and pushed us so we could preform to our fullest!
Posted by minnow on Feb. 13 2004,4:17 pm
You didn't answer the question. She's helping herself but... is she going to compensate her victims?
Posted by super girl on Feb. 13 2004,5:39 pm
she doesn't have any "victims" her family is working through this... all families have problems if people get into it er not everyone has problems.. everyone in this town hates her and they all no it and you people make it 20 times harder for them... so consider it this way people in this town made it hard for donna to live here and find a job and crap so now her family is having to deal with it
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 13 2004,5:59 pm
Soooo, you are all standing behind her, is that because you are afraid to stand in front? Are you afraid she will hit you or run you over?
Posted by super girl on Feb. 13 2004,6:21 pm
i stand up for her becuase we all love her! there are many people in this town that have gone out drinkin and actually hurt people and they don't get all this crap with it! people are just out to get her! i'm proud to stand up for her! hell i'll be in front of her and protect her from all this crap any day!
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 13 2004,6:31 pm
super girl, please take a step back and look at this from other people's points of view. It should be more of an outrage that people have gone out and hurt people while drunk, yes - but what the issue (that has been beaten to death here) is that she exhibited some of the classic symptoms of a) drinking and b) a serious problem with drinking... while she was in charge of the safety and well-being of minors. This is an issue called "moral turpitude" and is not acceptable in school employees. It was brought up but not looked into - if the school had taken some of this seriously early on, then maybe it wouldn't have blown up to this proportion, wouldn't have so seriously ruined her reputation, and wouldn't have so seriously hurt her family.
Posted by ENOUGH on Feb. 13 2004,6:46 pm
Clovis where did YOU get your information!!!! Over the passed several months many injustices have occurred and this school district may be facing a law suit, if indeed they knew about drinking problems WHY were parents not notified? Doesn't everyone have a breaking point - and with most employers help would be offered to the employee instead of public ridicule!
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 13 2004,6:46 pm
I admire your courage and devotion, no matter how blind it is. I cannot see how any organization that ended up so divided could have been lead by someone deserving of such devotion. You are obviously in a small minority, knowing many of the many that left. After many years of being a youth leader I learned that you cannot keep them all, or make them all a success, or even happy. Still I never lost near as many youth participants, nor do I know anyone who ever coach that ever did lose as many in any sport or youth activity. Even if I did not personally observe some very inappropriate behavior, which I did, the numbers speak for themselves super girl As I said at the beginning, your loyalty is admirable, but you need to stand back and look at the whole situation now that she has been outed and realize that as much as you can feel affection for someone, you can't always defend them. Sometimes our heros let us down and you just have to accept that they are not who you thought that they were, as is the case here. The team attrition rate was way to high for the problem to have been anything but the coach. Period. The town does not, nor has it ever, gotten together and plotted against anyone so unimportant in the big scheme of things. She was just a cheer coach. People did'nt even know her until she started to make herself notorious. She got people to dislike her, they did not just wake up and decide to do it one day, she now has to be held accountable for all of her acts. That is the hardest lesson we all learn in life, if you want to dance, sooner or later you will have to pay the band. Take that loyalty and give it to someone that is more deserving, and you will go far someday. ;) I know some of the joking here has been a little out of line for people that are emotionally involved with Donna, but the situation is no different then people putting out satire on Saturday Night Live. When people in the public eye screw-up, they usually get lambasted and that is just another tough part of public life, so try not to get too upset about it. A cheer coach going home without her husband at 2:44 in the morning and pulling a hit and run on a house, and resisting arrest, is only tragic to those close to the coach, to the rest of the world it is a pretty funny newspaper articale.
Posted by super girl on Feb. 13 2004,6:52 pm
are you close to the family or heard everything that is making you feel that way towards her from someone reliable? we no almost everthing about the situation... i am friends with her duaghter so we hear everything from her, her mom, and everything that everyone is saying and besides her and her mom nothign is the same.
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 13 2004,6:55 pm
hheeeyyyyyyyy i get it, this is Jeff right? that's pretty good Jeff I thought you actually were an impressionable mislead girl for a minute
Posted by minnow on Feb. 13 2004,7:04 pm
Look Supergrrl...it's cool that you stick up for your friends family and stuff but what is happening is called "Karma" for kids who were children in the 1960's.She's just getting a little of the same thing she gave out...
She likes to drink...so what....I'm a drunk. But I can't really feel sorry for her because I know in my heart and soul that she'd be the first one to put me behind bars for smoking cannabis. Therefore, I don't really give a dam what pain she has to go through. I only hope it's enough to make her change.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 13 2004,7:04 pm
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| Clovis where did YOU get your information!!!! Over the passed several months many injustices have occurred and this school district may be facing a law suit, if indeed they knew about drinking problems WHY were parents not notified? Doesn't everyone have a breaking point - and with most employers help would be offered to the employee instead of public ridicule! |
I'm a member of the immediate family of a former cheerleader - she used to come home upset and torn about the behavior she saw. She loved cheering, but hated the way that the coach treated her and others on the squad. Parents did indeed approach administrators and were told, "We'll look into it." A big problem, as has been stated before, is that many in the community and the school thought that there was a smear campaign under way on the part of some of the cheerleaders. It was brushed off. If it takes a lawsuit to wake up the school district, then I'm sorry, but that's what it'll take. There's a surprising amount that goes on behind the scenes in school districts that never sees the light of day for fear of lawsuits and reprisal from administrators. I've got a couple more stories by personal experience (not from AL, but it'll give you an idea of what can happen) - just PM me.
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 14 2004,11:15 am
May I ask each of the adults that may be responding here what are we teaching our children? Are we teaching them that each of us is entitled to airing our opinions on a given subject without thinking of who may get hurt by our remarks and opinoins? I think it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our opinions and keep them to ourselves at this point. The majority of what is on these pages are either experiences someone has had or an opinion on what happened, how that person felt about it(right or wrong), what should be done about the situation, and on and on.....I don't really think anyone is going to change how they feel on the subject and I really don't think no matter what a person does too try to convince someone else of their view the other person is not going to change how they feel. "Emotions" on both sides are running pretty high and remember they are emotions. Yes, we are entitled to our opinion but I don't think at the cost of hurting a lot of innocent people which is happening here. Is this going to change the system for the better or are we going to allow it to defeat us? We can learn from mistakes and turn them into a learning experience and allow healing and good to come from them. A True mistake is one that can not be learned from and changed. Let's stick together and learn from this. The family has been through enough, please give it a break and start putting some encouraging words out there. Has any one subject ever gotten this much attention? just wondering
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 14 2004,12:06 pm
I believe that Pam Bishop moving family business out of town (and state) generated as much, even though the press never covered it well and it should have been a bigger scandal. Still, smashing cars and houses is a definite major issue when one lives in the public eye. Running away and then resisting makes it too much to pass up. Throw in all the damage already done by the coach to the program, and how can it not be discussed at length?
Posted by BS Fighter on Feb. 14 2004,12:37 pm
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| May I ask each of the adults that may be responding here what are we teaching our children? Are we teaching them that each of us is entitled to airing our opinions on a given subject without thinking of who may get hurt by our remarks and opinoins? I think it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our opinions and keep them to ourselves at this point. THAT IS BS. What better thing to teach then actions have consequences and that it should be discussed in the public forum. The penalty that she receives after court will even be in the paper. Debate is a healthy thing to teach children, and censorship even in the guise of "kindness" is wrong.The majority of what is on these pages are either experiences someone has had Duh or an opinion on what happened, how that person felt about it(right or wrong), yep, that's true, what should be done about the situation, and on and on.....I don't really think anyone is going to change how they feel on the subject and I really don't think no matter what a person does too try to convince someone else of their view the other person is not going to change how they feel. That's BS. People constantly change their minds when they hear information, thats why politicians campaign, even why we have a press in the first place. "Emotions" on both sides are running pretty high and remember they are emotions. Yes, we are entitled to our opinion but I don't think at the cost of hurting a lot of innocent people which is happening here. THAT's BS. Innocent? What about the innocent cheerleaders and their families that were antagonized by the Marty's. How come the daughter was never in trouble for tearing down school cheerleader posters after Donna "resigned"? When the system was quiet, it stayed broken, and damage was done to many innocent girls. The number that quit should have alerted the school, much less the complaints. That's why so many are venting now. The school will be lucky to avoid a lawsuit, along with the Marty's. Is this going to change the system for the better or are we going to allow it to defeat us? We can only hope it changes, not fighting back is defeat. We can learn from mistakes and turn them into a learning experience and allow healing and good to come from them. A True mistake is one that can not be learned from and changed. THAT is such BS I can smell it through my screen. Enough said. Let's stick together and learn from this. The family has been through enough, please give it a break and start putting some encouraging words out there. Did she encourage girls, or drive them out? Has any one subject ever gotten this much attention? just wondering Pam Bishop, Pam Bishop, Pam Bishop and her still being in a business attraction job when they moved their own out of town and state. |
THAT's BS.
Thank you
Posted by cpu_slave on Feb. 14 2004,1:54 pm
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| I think it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our opinions and keep them to ourselves at this point. |
So- are you saying that if we just ignore the problem it will go away? Look, I don't know the woman but even I have heard of her tear others to shreads for a fraction of what she has herself done. Ain't Karma a bitch?
Posted by cheerleader forever on Feb. 15 2004,9:35 pm
yeah so i think that you all should really know what you are talking about... i am a cheerleader and i have known donna for a very long time you have no reason to assume ANYTHING. Yeah what she did was a mistake but EVERYONE makes mistakes what if she was your mom or your dad how would you feel... what if her kids seen what you wrote how would that make them feel what if you were one of them maybe you all should think before you talk out of your butt... she has done alot for the cheerleading program in albert lea i would not be the cheerleader i am without her. Yes i am upset wit her but its just like another person i would be upset with life go's on. also she does not beat on her kids... omg do you see her kids walking around with beatting marks i dont think so... she loves her kids alot. so just next time you bash on someone makesure you really know the facts and not just stuff your making up
Posted by minnow on Feb. 15 2004,10:10 pm
Do you mean you wouldn't have been a cheerleader except for Donna's favoritism? LOL
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 15 2004,11:26 pm
Talking out our butts? "Hey, can I a$$ you a question" - Jim Carey
Posted by Tiger on Feb. 16 2004,9:18 am
Cpu Slave? I don't think I have posted here yet, but I have a question about karma. Is it fair that her kids and husband are feeling the reprucussions of her actions? I thought karma was to come back on the wrongdoer not the family and her children. I find this topic becoming repetitious and old. I too have a relative who cheered for Donna, she liked her and enjoyed her coaching style. My relative felt like she was in a sport and not just a "cheerleader." I don't know the woman. I may have and opinion on all this hearsay, but I don't have an "educated" opinion.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 16 2004,2:57 pm
*Moron alert"Is it fair that her kids and husband are feeling the reprucussions of her actions"
The key words here are "her actions". Is it fair what she did to herself, husband and kids?
Don't blame others for what is ENTIRELY her fault. She's a drunk who taught kids while getrunken. How fair is that to the children? Then to add insult to injury the school system protected the drunk on duty which showed us just how much the care for the children. Drunks don't just happen overnight. There's not a doubt in my mind that she had booze on her breath while on the job. Are the kids just supposed to go along to get along. Just put up with it...just except it. That's what's wrong with this city. I've heard this more times than I can count. Just except it...
NO...I will NOT except that chit@!
Posted by LisaMarie on Feb. 16 2004,3:43 pm
Exactly, Minnow. Doesn't look like she cared what happened to her husband and kids, all she wanted was to get wasted. And on top of that DROVE while she was wasted, putting EVERYONE on the road in danger. I have no sympathy for people like that. My ex-stepfather once drove drunk and hit another person and ended up with a broken wrist. I laughed in his face and told him he'd better thank his lucky stars he was the only one injured in that accident. There's absolutely no excuse.
Posted by Tiger on Feb. 16 2004,4:10 pm
What is the babble spewing from your mouth all about minnow?? When did I say that we should all put up with what she did? Not once! I don't think it is fair that her children need to continue to hear how "awful" their mother is. They love her no matte what and I think it is time to quit subjecting them to this. They obviously have friends who read and post here in turn means they too know the things that are being said about their mother. If someone is going to take this up with the school, then so be it. If all that is being said, if true than yes I believe the school district did not do their part in protecting the children of this town. Let's get past Donna and her family and talk about the issues we have with the school district.Lisa Marie, I too disagree strongly with drinking and driving. However her kids are the ones here in town to hear all the gossip. Donna is in Rochester. Her kids are the ones that all of words are hurting, not Donna herself.
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 16 2004,4:28 pm
Yo, Tiger, you are just keeping the discussion going. If hearing about it hurts the kids, well that is another consequence of the actions Donna took, and part of life. If there had not been some real issues already existing with her, it probably still would have taken 15 pages to fizzle out, but all of her supporters taking ridiculous positions and attacking those talking about it is what is keeping it alive to page 23. You probably just added ten more Good Job Tigrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Way to stick-up for them
Posted by Tiger on Feb. 16 2004,4:35 pm
Hey Tarzan, my thoughts exactly!! If you would have read my post on the previous page you would have realized that. I too thought this subject would die a long time ago but it didn't so I felt the need to say something.
Posted by cpu_slave on Feb. 16 2004,4:45 pm
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| Cpu Slave? I don't think I have posted here yet, but I have a question about karma. Is it fair that her kids and husband are feeling the reprucussions of her actions? I thought karma was to come back on the wrongdoer not the family and her children. |
I'm no expert on karma, but is it not true that anything anyone does, good or bad, is going to affect those around them? She should have given more thought to her family and children before getting behind the wheel after drinking that much, wouldn't you agree?
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I agree.
Posted by BS Fighter on Feb. 16 2004,4:49 pm
THAT's BS Tiger. I don't think Mr. Tarzan was saying that it should, just that it would have died. I think you, and others like you are keeping this going, with stupid things like "it is time to quit subjecting them to this" as though the people talking about Donna are hurting her family. What she did that is causing the talk is what is hurting her family. Her daughter has no respect for the new cheer coach, and treats other cheerleaders extremely poorly, I and other parents have witnessed this first hand. It seems that the whole family is dysfunctional. Perhaps by learned behavior? Thank you
Posted by Tiger on Feb. 16 2004,4:54 pm
I think that is what I posted CPU slave, so we are on the same page. BS Fighter, did you read my post? I said, "I too thought it would have died a long time ago but it didn't so I felt the need to say something."
Posted by BS Fighter on Feb. 16 2004,5:02 pm
Tiger, you should read what people are writing. I am not saying that it should die, I think it is healthy for a lot of people that were frustrated by a broken system protecting their own to finally speak out. I just think those of you who keep saying wahhhhhh about the subject are giving angry Albert Leans more reason to keep the thread alive.Thank you
Posted by Tiger on Feb. 16 2004,5:07 pm
Bs Fighter, dito on the proof reading things. I said I too thought it (would) die. I didn't say I thought it (should) die. I also think that the the "broken system" needs to be looked into. Therefore talking about it should hopefully get something done. However, all I've seen is a lot of "bitching" going on and not a lot of action. If people are soooo pissed about the district's job and protecting the kids do something about. (Maybe some new administration or some new school board members) The broken system however is not Donna Marty it is the school district. I'm not crying about the topic I'm simply stating the negativity needs to be directed towads the true "broken system." Go back and read carefully!
Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 16 2004,5:32 pm
Tiger, are you a Marty in tiger clothes again?
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 16 2004,9:12 pm
Why is it that those of you that are bashing Donna think everyone else that does not jump on your band wagon agree & with you are against you and for Donna? How childish!!!! The point is as Donna made a mistake and is in Rochester having the treatment for the alcoholism. Since when is up to us to continuely bash the rest of her family? There still seems to be a lot of hearsay on these pages. Did anyone ever report Donna to the law enforcement authorities before this happened? If they knew she had been drinking or been abusive it should have been reported by those that suspected it? If not and you knew it without a doubt then you have become accepting of the problem and therefore a part of the problem. Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions on the subject, but at what cost to the family? This is going to be costly financially to the family, school, community and so on. It is going to affect the way people trust authority. It is a costly mistake that if it was covered up should not have been. But we can learn and be sure it does not happen again, if it does happen again, we sure did not learn much and the mistake continues....how intellegent is that??? That is the true meaning of mistake? Are we not intellegent enough that we can't and should learn from them. Have any of you made mistakes you would rather not have made? I have and I have learned from them. Also, Donna was in the public lime light and worked with our students and made a huge mistake but may I repeat is paying the consequences for those now. I think it is time to let the authorities do their job. She will be tried and charged accordingly....don't you think that is enough? Are there any of you out there who deserve to throw the first stone...unless you have never made a mistake you don't deserve to...
Posted by minnow on Feb. 16 2004,9:29 pm
You're the problem.You are one of those who tolerated Donna's abuse because she gave your kid special attention or something as equally disgusting. Who's bashing her kids? I'm just bashing people like you who support such nonsense. I can see you now telling athorities how it's all the girls fault that Donna's drinking...LOL
Save it. Can it. Here's quarter, call someone who cares.
Posted by concerned parent on Feb. 16 2004,10:18 pm
Hey minnow, Where did you get your info from??? Do you know what assume spells??? You did hit a raw nerve here. It takes a lot of guts from you to make such an accusation. I have been on the receiving end of Donna's anger and so has my kids and my family. She came between myself and a good friend. I know most of the cheerleaders personally and respect them. I trust what they reported to the school as being true. What I am saying is that it didn't seem to do any good to go to the administration, it should have been taken to the law enforcement. After all they set up sting operations all the time. I repeat IT IS NOT HER FAMILY'S FAULT AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE PAYING THE CONSEQUENCES OF DONNA'S BEHAVIOR because of the opinions in the community, they are paying enough by being part of the family, which is hurting enough because of the actions of one person. She is receiving help. So are we as parents and community members going to keep letting this rule our conversations? It is time to move on and let the chips fall where they may fall. Donna will undoubtedly pay for the consequences of her behavior as well as her family paying a huge price financial and personally. I don't think they need to be continually subjected to the negative comments. That too is a form of abuse. By the way keep your quarter and give it to someone who can use it.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 16 2004,10:58 pm
What I am saying is that it didn't seem to do any good to go to the administration, it should have been taken to the law enforcement. After all they set up sting operations all the time.Oh, now you're getting da picture. You see, it's not wrong if one of your own breaks the rules. Rules only apply to kids and little people.