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irisheyes 
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,1:39 am |
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Good idea angel, I never thought of a write in vote! Although, its odd having a role model that minnow also looks up to. 
I met Bob Dole a few years ago, I've always thought he was a good guy. Losing the use of his right arm in WWII, and I agree with his political idea's. He's a lot more conservative than McCain though (which isn't a bad thing, in my opinion). Too bad he lost his campaigns for president, several times.
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minnow
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,1:54 am |
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I'm the future...economically conservative, but socially liberal.
Like Ah-nold...I AM da man.
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hoosier
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,9:20 am |
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Jim, how do you get your numbers? 300,000 unemployed people gave up looking for a job and you count those people as jobs created? Wow, talk about voodoo economics. You sound like you should go to work fot the Bush campaign, LOL.
Bush reminds me so much of Baghdad Bob, you all remember the guy, Iraqs information minister I believe was his tilte. The American soldiers and tanks were just blocks from his position, had already taken the rest of Iraq and comes on and says, " The Americans have been defeated, they have been driven from the airport." For the people that do some digging or dont just listen to sound bites of Bush on the evening news it is obvious Bush is doing the samething as Baghdad Bob.
Sorry Jim, no disrespect meant, I just cant imagine how you could make that statement about 300,000 jobs being created and still look at yourself in the mirror?
Edited by hoosier on Jan. 11 2004,9:27 am
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The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,9:52 am |
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| Quote (jimhanson @ Jan. 10 2004,5:46:pm) | | As Hoosier says, 300,000 people gave up looking for jobs, that means 301,000 new jobs were created. |
I have to agree with hoosier. Those 300,000 people are the same people who's unemployment benifets ran out and are no longer counted as unemployed. It doesn't mean they found a job. It means they have no job and no money coming in.
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,11:02 am |
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Angel-
I still stand by what I said, even tho I do respect him for his service to country and flag. John McCain the soldier is not the same man John McCain the Senator is.
Sorry but I feel when you take your oath to office you cannot pick and choose which parts of the Constitution of the US you like and disregard the ones you don't. Many Service personel take their oath very seriously, and would fight tooth and nail to preserve it, even against our very own, whilst McStain is wiping his azz with it, and for that in my eyes he's a treasonous backstabing liar.
The oath he took as a soldier is the same as the one he swore before GOD when he became Senator.
We are a proud military family, and we take our oath very seriously, we have had a member in every war since the Revolutionary War, and would never dis-respect any part of it, to do so would be a slap in the face of every soldier who fought and died for it. We support our troops 1000% even tho we sometimes disagree with those who sent them there.
Honor, Courage, Commitment
Semper Fi
Sic Semper Tyrannis
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I wouldn't snap yer neck, I really am a Puzzy Cat.
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*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,12:37 pm |
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CNN reported 1000 new jobs, and a DECREASE in the unemployment rate to 5.7 percent. The New York Times reports TOTAL EMPLOYMENT up 1,000. A review of the RED STAR (Star-Tribune) doesn't say if those are NET new jobs or not. I think the confusion here is that TOTAL employment is up 1,000, the employment RATE is lower, at 5.7%, but the REASON for the lower RATE is because 300,000 are off the unemployment rolls as benefits ran out. Unemployment RATE and TOTAL JOBS are two different things.
The economists had been predicting 100,000 to 150,000 new jobs--not 900,000. The same articles say 277,000 jobs ADDED (is that NET or not, I don't know) since July.
Edited by jimhanson on Jan. 11 2004,1:52 pm
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,12:49 pm |
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McCain is the Alan Alda of Presidential candidates--a nice enough guy to probably get elected, but not the guy you would want to lead in precarious times.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,7:55 pm |
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I heard today that the Des Moines Register has indorsed John Edwards in the Iowa caucuses. Interesting 
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The Advocate
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2004,7:56 pm |
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Fox News stated 900,000 new jobs. That is where I heard that number. But, again, statistics can be manipulated, can't they. My point was that if the economy has been less than stellar, we need look no further than the economic policies of Bill Clinton. Economic reality takes eight years to realize. President Bush has yet to see what his policies will encompass. I realize this is most simplistic because interest rates are being set today by Greenspan, however, his "today" is reacting to past tense.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 12 2004,9:47 am |
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Advocate--you are right--numbers are not only manipulated, they are often changed (see below). Here are my sources:
From the Washington Post--| Quote | | The report subtracted 51,000 jobs from the previous two months, leaving the total two-month gain at 143,000. Many economists had predicted that many jobs would be created in December alone." |
From the N.Y. Times--| Quote | | "Most forecasters had said they thought December would be a breakthrough month for job creation, given the strengthening economy. But instead of the 150,000 new jobs they had expected, there were a minuscule 1,000." |
One other source (I can't find it on my History button) said 94,000 expected--it doesn't matter, because it didn't happen anyway.
Not to make excuses for the poor numbers, but one of the things that I had never considered in the government numbers are the large number of people that have been "downsized", and have changed catagories to become "independent contractors"--or actually gone into business for themselves. I would think that would be a huge number in the last few years--especially in the tech world.
Edited by jimhanson on Jan. 12 2004,9:55 am
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