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Moparman 
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Posted on: Sep. 22 2012,4:49 pm |
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Any thoughts on the watershed district attempting to buy their own dredge?
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Posted on: Sep. 23 2012,9:08 am |
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the Dredge Report:
gotta spend that stock-pile of money on something
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Posted on: Sep. 23 2012,10:53 am |
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I recommended this to Andy Henschel about 2 years ago and was told it was not feasible. I had figures then that showed how IA had purchased one and had dredged their water shed and costs of doing it. It would have saved over 4 million if I remember correctly to do this rather than contract out like they wanted to do.
Now the problem is they will need to purchase land to store the dredged material and hire at a minimum 2 operators preferably more to operate the dredge 24-7. At least then once they finish Albert Lea Lake they could then move to Fountain and then Pickerel, Chapeau so on.
But I doubt they will be smart enough to do this.
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Posted on: Sep. 24 2012,10:12 am |
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I am not saying this is the order to do it but more likely the order they would consider, either that or forget Pickerel totally. All the talk has been dredging Albert Lea Lake.
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Pretzel Logic
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Posted on: Sep. 24 2012,12:15 pm |
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Unless they stop tiling every inch of farmland and close the current tiles were gonna be doing it a again. Maybe not in our lifetime.
The fine silt did not just blow in from the wind. We will always have some amount of soil erosion, but with all the flat land we have around here it is minimal. The siltation and "nutrient loading" comes from the ag land. The ones not paying the extra sales tax to clean up the mess they help create.
True, these shallow basin lakes could very well fill in completely over eons of time. The fine silt hastens it. If this was not the case they would not be having such things as ditch commisioners in charge of cleaning the ditches of the fine silt that fills them up just like the lakes.
This is the pure meaning of the Trickle Down theory, remove the problem from my back yard (as in, I got too much slough ground) and put it in yours and get you to pay for it.
I have felt this way from the begining of this watershed district. We are not addressing the original sin.
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Posted on: Sep. 24 2012,12:17 pm |
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I see it sold for $340k today. I wonder if we own it or not.
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Moparman
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Posted on: Sep. 24 2012,2:12 pm |
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(Pretzel Logic @ Sep. 24 2012,12:15 pm)
QUOTE Unless they stop tiling every inch of farmland and close the current tiles were gonna be doing it a again. Maybe not in our lifetime.
The fine silt did not just blow in from the wind. We will always have some amount of soil erosion, but with all the flat land we have around here it is minimal. The siltation and "nutrient loading" comes from the ag land. The ones not paying the extra sales tax to clean up the mess they help create.
True, these shallow basin lakes could very well fill in completely over eons of time. The fine silt hastens it. If this was not the case they would not be having such things as ditch commisioners in charge of cleaning the ditches of the fine silt that fills them up just like the lakes.
This is the pure meaning of the Trickle Down theory, remove the problem from my back yard (as in, I got too much slough ground) and put it in yours and get you to pay for it.
I have felt this way from the begining of this watershed district. We are not addressing the original sin.
Actually good subsurface drainage increases the soils water holding capacity which greatly reduces the volumes of surface runoff. Subsurface drainage allows more water to be temporarily stored in the soil profile thereby acting as a buffer to peak flow events. This buffering action reduces the speed water moves through the watershed, which is a good thing. As surface runoff volumes are decreased chemical and nutrient loads are also reduced. Also since drainage allows for earlier planting, crops emerge sooner which also helps reduce wind erosion. Soil, chemicals, and nutrients do the grower no good if they are washed away. Most producers use good management practices to reduce this lose as much as possible and good subsurface drainage is just a part the program.
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Pretzel Logic
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Posted on: Sep. 24 2012,4:45 pm |
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I am not sure that I see your explanation clearly. Are you suggesting that the permeability rates or percolation factors change simply because there is a piece of vinyl four foot underneath it?
Once the water reaches its way to the tile and starts its journey to the creek it's saturation point is reached.
The sponge can only hold so much. So now, rather than set in the field to absorb it into the ground water or aquifer,it is joined with all of the other tiles entering the creek, increasing speed and volume,carrying more silt.
True, that this is going to start days after a substantial rain, after it has had a chance to flter thru. I do not see how a tiled field will soak up more water , when raining, in the depth of the dirt any faster (four foot down)than non tiled.
All of those other attributes only help the grower. We have traded uproductive farm land for an unproductve lake and not with our consent.
I am all for the idea of our own dredge. When we were done with it we could sell it and recoup some dollars. I would like to see a per acerage charge assesed against every acre of tiled farmland that drains into our watershed to help with the cost or close the tile.
I have no concern whether or not Mr.10,000 acres does not get 250 bushel to the acre at the expense of the lakes.
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