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Posted on: Oct. 01 2014,2:13 pm |
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We sold Iraq bubonic plague and anthrax, not chemical weapons like you lied about.
So, along with being crazy, you're also a liar?
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Posted on: Oct. 02 2014,12:31 am |
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(Liberal @ Oct. 01 2014,2:13 pm)
QUOTE We sold Iraq bubonic plague and anthrax, not chemical weapons like you lied about.
So, along with being crazy, you're also a liar?
You're a hoot.
From my two links:
QUOTE that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.
QUOTE Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq.
QUOTE U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.
The next paragraph from your wiki page:
QUOTE Among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from American companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips was thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, according to leaked portions of Iraq's "full, final and complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs. The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan Administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Alcolac was named as a defendant in the Aziz v. Iraq case presently pending in the United States District Court (Case No. 1:09-cv-00869-MJG). Both companies have since undergone reorganization. Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum is now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and discount fossil fuel company. Alcolac International has since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc
Here's some more:
QUOTE On October 27, 1992, the Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs held hearings that revealed that the United States had exported chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile-system equipment to Iraq that was converted to military use in Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons program. Many of these weapons -- weapons that the U.S. and other countries provided critical materials for -- were used against us during the war.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/medsear...s01.htm
I find Riegles' full report quite disgusting in how the vets have been treated and how the government and military have lied about what happened in the gulf war and the illnesses of vets. You think they are just a bunch of whiney wimps lying to get a free handout though right? Maybe if you read the report you won't think that. Unless of course your reading comprehension problem gets in the way.
QUOTE The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years
before his 1990 attack on Kuwait--which included large-scale
intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front
company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological
precursors--is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign
policy.
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A review of thousands of declassified government documents and
interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and
logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses
against the ``human wave'' attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The
administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the
sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian
applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological
viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague.
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When United Nations weapons inspectors were allowed into Iraq after
the 1991 Gulf War, they compiled long lists of chemicals, missile
components, and computers from American suppliers, including such
household names as Union Carbide and Honeywell, which were being used
for military purposes.
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The Commerce Department also
approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread
suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys...796.htm
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Posted on: Oct. 02 2014,1:27 am |
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The chemicals we sold them was Thiodiglycol that has many uses. Anthrax and bubonic plague are not chemical weapons, they're not even chemicals.
Even though other countries sold them 4500 tons of actual mustard gas you think they used the Thiodiglycol that Reagan and Bush sold them to make mustard gas? 
Does it hurt to be that stupid?
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Thiodiglycol has both polar and nonpolar solvent properties. It is used as a solvent in a variety of applications ranging from dyeing textiles to inks in some ballpoint pens. In chemical synthesis, it is used as a building block for protection products, dispersants, fibers, plasticizers, rubber accelerators, pesticides, dyes, and various other organic chemicals. In the manufacture of polymers, it is used as a chain transfer agent. As an antioxidant, it is used as an additive in lubricants.
Maybe you can highlight the part where your bs posts proves we sold them chemical weapons like you claimed? Of course you can't do that because you're a liar and nobody has ever proven we sold them chemical weapons.
It's amazing that you can be so ignorant. First you bitch because we wouldn't sell them pipes and chlorine for their water plants because they had used them to make weapons in the past. And you also bitch because we sold them insecticides because they could use it to manufacture chemical weapons. And if we had not sold them the insecticide you'd be bitching about all the Iraqis that died of insect borne preventable disease.
Just more sport bitching from our resident crazy.
Did you actually quote the forum PrisonPlanet and then conveniently forget to link to the source? http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_123002_enemies.html
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Posted on: Oct. 02 2014,6:41 am |
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I never said we "sold" them complete chemical weapons. I said we helped him acquire them. Thiodiglycol is one chemical we sold to them. My CBS link that I quoted says we sold them dual use items, I know we didn't sell them complete ready to use chemical weapons. Try finding any credible source which lists all the chemicals we sold.
From the GPO link I quoted: facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors.
If the wikipedia page section you quoted is correct, and any country did sell Iraq complete ready to use chemical weapons, do you honestly think we didn't know they were getting them? We sure knew he was using them, and didn't care that he was. Even blocked the UN from trying to do anything about his chemical weapon use. Even sent him the bubonic plague and anthrax AFTER that Halabja attack you wiki'd. Read Riegel's report to see how honest and forthcoming the government is about all of this.
Prison Planet? I sourced all of my quotes and information. CBS news, GWU, two government websites and your wikipedia page.
You're the last person on this forum who should call anyone a liar.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Oct. 02 2014,7:03 am |
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LIbERal:
QUOTE Even though other countries sold them 4500 tons of actual mustard gas
Me:
QUOTE If the wikipedia page section you quoted is correct, and any country did sell Iraq complete ready to use chemical weapons
Never mind. The wiki page doesn't say any country sold them any actual mustard gas. It says those countries sold Iraq precursors... just like we did.
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Posted on: Oct. 02 2014,9:40 am |
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You're a liar, nothing shows that we helped Iraq get chemical weapons but you'll just keep trying to twist the words of people to try to prove we sold them percursors even though we sold them dual use items. Like I said earler if we hadn't sold them pesticides you'd be sport bitching about how the US let Iraqis die from insect borne illnesses because we wouldn't sell them pesticides.
So now it's America's fault that other countries sold them chemical weapons?
If you dislike the evil American government so much why don't just move your bunker to Mexico, or Canada?
Also countries sold them the chemical precursors and the equipment needed to turn them into chemical weapons because it's sort of dangerous to ship things like 4500 TONS of mustard gas. You're trying to insinuate that we did something similar by selling them dual use chemicals.
And just because inspectors find chemicals from American companies it doesn't mean the American company sold it to them, they most likely sold it to a third party and that third party could have sold it without our knowledge or consent.
You just like to sport bitch, you're one of those people that sits in front of a computer all day bitching about how tough life is, and how evil the government is, because you're either too stupid, or too lazy to try to change anything.
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Posted on: Oct. 02 2014,12:13 pm |
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QUOTE You're a liar, nothing shows that we helped Iraq get chemical weapons but you'll just keep trying to twist the words of people to try to prove we sold them percursors even though we sold them dual use items. Like I said earler if we hadn't sold them pesticides you'd be sport bitching about how the US let Iraqis die from insect borne illnesses because we wouldn't sell them pesticides.
Me twisting words??!! I've been copy and pasting quotes, and linking to the sources.
QUOTE If you dislike the evil American government so much why don't just move your bunker to Mexico, or Canada?
Nope, sorry, gonna stay. I hate the government, love the country. So I'll stay and try to help others make this country be what it only pretends to be.
QUOTE Also countries sold them the chemical precursors and the equipment needed to turn them into chemical weapons because it's sort of dangerous to ship things like 4500 TONS of mustard gas. You're trying to insinuate that we did something similar by selling them dual use chemicals.
It is the same thing. And we knew full well they were using chemical weapons didn't we? YES we did. And we looked the other way didn't we? YES we did. We were even covering for him so he wouldn't get into trouble about it didn't we? YES we did. They knew how often chemical weapons were being used in Iraq, do you think they honestly didn't know what some of the things we were selling them was going for?? And even if the US government was as stupid as you think they were, why would they just allow it to go on then?
Secretary of State:
QUOTE "The U.S.-Iraqi relationship is … important to our long-term political and economic objectives." Really?
QUOTE You just like to sport bitch, you're one of those people that sits in front of a computer all day bitching about how tough life is, and how evil the government is, because you're either too stupid, or too lazy to try to change anything.
Except I don't bitch about how tough life is. Not my life anyway. I love my life and I'm extremely happy. And I am trying to change things, that's why I go on forums and chats. So you'll just have to keep getting your panties in a bunch cuz I'm not leaving your forum. Not until you've completely killed it anyway, or not until you ban me.
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