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MADDOG 
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2014,12:54 pm |
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(grassman @ Jun. 11 2014,6:39 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 10 2014,9:43 pm)
QUOTE Dereliction of duty by our POTUS. Unless he has adequately prepared our educational systems, health care systems, and CDC (among other things), for this onslaught of refugees (which he has not), he has an obligation and a duty to the legal citizens of this country to enforce our immigration laws.
I realize that dereliction of duty is a crime that falls under the UCMJ but you get my drift.
...nuff said. You must be talking about Bush, right? Obama has deported way more illegals than Bush ever did.
G-man, you're going to have to define "deport. Are you using the Bambino math method or the way all other administrations classified deportation?
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grassman
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2014,7:00 pm |
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Maddog, you have your mind made up before you are even presented anything. So here take it for what it is worth. 
Obama is deporting immigrants faster than Bush. Republicans don’t think that’s enough.
By Suzy Khimm August 29, 2012
The GOP is toughening its stance on immigration in its 2012 party platform. But that's partly in response to Obama's own hawkish stance on immigration enforcement. In fact, both parties are now pushing different programs with the same goal: to increase enforcement of laws that target illegal immigration on the local level.
As of July, Obama deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants since the beginning of his administration — that's 1.5 times more immigrants on average than Bush deported every month, according to official numbers from the Department of Homeland Security*. But that's only part of Obama's deportation strategy: The administration's stated goal is to prioritize the deportation of criminal, dangerous illegal immigrants. And it's promised to make a new program called Secure Communities mandatory by 2013, which would force local law enforcement to share fingerprints of those arrested with the Department of Homeland Security, which has immigration records, through the FBI.
The GOP platform, however, accuses the Obama administration of having "undermined the rule of law at every turn" and "failed to enforce the legal means for workers or employers who want to operate within the law," according to a draft version that Politico obtained. The platform doubles down on Obama's own promise to prioritize the deportation of immigrants with a criminal history. The GOP is calling to "expedite expulsion of criminal aliens" — and wants to expand the list of deportable offenses to include "gang membership," though it's unclear how that would be defined.
Moreover, Republicans want to revive a program called 287(g). Under this program, local communities can opt to have law enforcement officials trained by federal agents to arrest and detain suspects because of immigration status. The program peaked under Bush, but Obama has scaled it back with the intention of phasing it out altogether. The Obama administration revoked part of its 287(g) agreements with Arizona in June, citing the Justice Department's lawsuit allegations of racial profiling and civil rights abuses by local law enforcement, including Maricopa County's infamous Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
There is also evidence that 287(g) hasn't been meeting the Obama administration's stated goal of targeting dangerous, criminal immigrants for deportation: According to a study from the independent Migration Policy Institute, half of those detained under 287(g) were people who had committed misdemeanors or traffic offenses. What's more, MPI found that "state and local officials operate 287(g) programs according to priorities shaped largely by political pressures." That's another reason why the Obama administration wants to transition to Secure Communities, which would shift more enforcement authority to the federal government. "It takes those decisions out of the hands of local police officers," says Mary Giovagnoli, director of the Immigration Policy Center.
So both parties want local law enforcement to participate vigorously in immigration enforcement. The major difference is that Republicans want to give more power and discretion to local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws, while Obama wants local authorities to use a federal biometric database to inform decisions about immigration enforcement.
Pro-immigration and civil liberties advocates aren't thrilled with either option: They argue that Secure Communities is also prone to abuse. A October 2011 report from UC-Berkeley law school points out that a much higher number of those arrested through the program are placed in federal detention than usual, for instance. Others worry that Secure Communities program could still encourage racial profiling if local law enforcement knows that those arrested will be screened for their immigration status. "It sounds great on paper, but in practice, a lot of people are picked up and arrested who might not be otherwise," says Giovagnoli.
To be sure, the GOP platform includes a host of other immigration measures that go well beyond what Obama and the Democrats support — prohibiting in-state tuition for college students who are undocumented, opposing amnesty of any kind, and reiterating the GOP's 2008 platform proposal to force employers to check their workers' immigration status through E-Verify.
But on local immigration enforcement, Obama and Republicans are effectively competing to see whose policies are tougher.
*Clarification: Bush deported 2 million immigrants over the course of two terms. That's more than the 1.4 million that Obama has deported to date during his first term. But Obama is deporting them in higher numbers every month than Bush did—1.5 times more. Sorry for any earlier confusion.
The Obama administration has also used what a 2010 Post story deemed to be "unusual methods" to increase deportations, including the extension of a repatriation program that counted for 6,500 deportations to Mexico in 2010, although it denies that it was "cooking the books" to raise its numbers. The House Judiciary Committee also says it's unearthed new evidence that the White House was inflating its deportation numbers. I've contacted the White House and outside experts to clarify, and I'll likely write a separate post on the issue when I hear back.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2014,7:33 pm |
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(grassman @ Jun. 11 2014,6:39 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 10 2014,9:43 pm)
QUOTE Dereliction of duty by our POTUS. Unless he has adequately prepared our educational systems, health care systems, and CDC (among other things), for this onslaught of refugees (which he has not), he has an obligation and a duty to the legal citizens of this country to enforce our immigration laws.
I realize that dereliction of duty is a crime that falls under the UCMJ but you get my drift.
...nuff said. You must be talking about Bush, right? Obama has deported way more illegals than Bush ever did.
What year are we in? Who is in charge? I realize Obummer has you fooled into thinking he never knows what is going on in his own administration but using the Blame Bush makes know sense half way through Obama's second term.
Besides, I'm talking about the influx of illegals that are flowing across now, today. I'm certainly not referring to deportations unless you're referring to the five terrorist he sent home last week.
I know, I know...what difference does it make.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2014,7:36 pm |
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(grassman @ Jun. 11 2014,7:00 pm)
QUOTE Maddog, you have your mind made up before you are even presented anything. So here take it for what it is worth. Obama is deporting immigrants faster than Bush. Republicans don’t think that’s enough.By Suzy Khimm August 29, 2012 The GOP is toughening its stance on immigration in its 2012 party platform. But that's partly in response to Obama's own hawkish stance on immigration enforcement. In fact, both parties are now pushing different programs with the same goal: to increase enforcement of laws that target illegal immigration on the local level. As of July, Obama deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants since the beginning of his administration — that's 1.5 times more immigrants on average than Bush deported every month, according to official numbers from the Department of Homeland Security*. But that's only part of Obama's deportation strategy: The administration's stated goal is to prioritize the deportation of criminal, dangerous illegal immigrants. And it's promised to make a new program called Secure Communities mandatory by 2013, which would force local law enforcement to share fingerprints of those arrested with the Department of Homeland Security, which has immigration records, through the FBI. The GOP platform, however, accuses the Obama administration of having "undermined the rule of law at every turn" and "failed to enforce the legal means for workers or employers who want to operate within the law," according to a draft version that Politico obtained. The platform doubles down on Obama's own promise to prioritize the deportation of immigrants with a criminal history. The GOP is calling to "expedite expulsion of criminal aliens" — and wants to expand the list of deportable offenses to include "gang membership," though it's unclear how that would be defined. Moreover, Republicans want to revive a program called 287(g). Under this program, local communities can opt to have law enforcement officials trained by federal agents to arrest and detain suspects because of immigration status. The program peaked under Bush, but Obama has scaled it back with the intention of phasing it out altogether. The Obama administration revoked part of its 287(g) agreements with Arizona in June, citing the Justice Department's lawsuit allegations of racial profiling and civil rights abuses by local law enforcement, including Maricopa County's infamous Sheriff Joe Arpaio. There is also evidence that 287(g) hasn't been meeting the Obama administration's stated goal of targeting dangerous, criminal immigrants for deportation: According to a study from the independent Migration Policy Institute, half of those detained under 287(g) were people who had committed misdemeanors or traffic offenses. What's more, MPI found that "state and local officials operate 287(g) programs according to priorities shaped largely by political pressures." That's another reason why the Obama administration wants to transition to Secure Communities, which would shift more enforcement authority to the federal government. "It takes those decisions out of the hands of local police officers," says Mary Giovagnoli, director of the Immigration Policy Center. So both parties want local law enforcement to participate vigorously in immigration enforcement. The major difference is that Republicans want to give more power and discretion to local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws, while Obama wants local authorities to use a federal biometric database to inform decisions about immigration enforcement. Pro-immigration and civil liberties advocates aren't thrilled with either option: They argue that Secure Communities is also prone to abuse. A October 2011 report from UC-Berkeley law school points out that a much higher number of those arrested through the program are placed in federal detention than usual, for instance. Others worry that Secure Communities program could still encourage racial profiling if local law enforcement knows that those arrested will be screened for their immigration status. "It sounds great on paper, but in practice, a lot of people are picked up and arrested who might not be otherwise," says Giovagnoli. To be sure, the GOP platform includes a host of other immigration measures that go well beyond what Obama and the Democrats support — prohibiting in-state tuition for college students who are undocumented, opposing amnesty of any kind, and reiterating the GOP's 2008 platform proposal to force employers to check their workers' immigration status through E-Verify. But on local immigration enforcement, Obama and Republicans are effectively competing to see whose policies are tougher. *Clarification: Bush deported 2 million immigrants over the course of two terms. That's more than the 1.4 million that Obama has deported to date during his first term. But Obama is deporting them in higher numbers every month than Bush did—1.5 times more. Sorry for any earlier confusion. The Obama administration has also used what a 2010 Post story deemed to be "unusual methods" to increase deportations, including the extension of a repatriation program that counted for 6,500 deportations to Mexico in 2010, although it denies that it was "cooking the books" to raise its numbers. The House Judiciary Committee also says it's unearthed new evidence that the White House was inflating its deportation numbers. I've contacted the White House and outside experts to clarify, and I'll likely write a separate post on the issue when I hear back.
Easy to do when they are flowing over the boarder in greater numbers. Besides, you're trying to change the subject.
We're talking about illegal immigration, not Obama's deportations.
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grassman
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2014,8:27 pm |
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You fail to recognize abuse in it's whole. We been taken all along.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jun. 12 2014,9:32 am |
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You're right, G-man. I do already have my mind made up. The federal government has a Constitutional obligation to protect our borders. They have failed to properly do this for years. It has been exacerbated by the Lord of Lies.
QUOTE The Deportation LieRemovals generated by ICE’s Enforcement and Removals division, which is responsible for interior immigration enforcement, have decreased nearly 50 percent since June 2011. Vaughan says the administration has been inflating its deportation statistics by including a greater number of U.S. Border Patrol cases — illegal immigrants picked up at the border and subsequently referred to ICE — as part of its annual statistics. Border Patrol cases accounted for 56 percent of removals reported in fiscal year 2013, up from 33 percent in 2008. Typically, an individual apprehended at the southern border is simply returned to Mexico without being processed as a deportation by ICE.
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‘Deportations’ IsFirst, a little necessary background: The people who count in the “removals” numbers (which is what administration flacks mean when they boast of “deportations”) are legal immigrants who’ve committed crimes or illegal aliens caught inside the country. (The immigration statistics yearbook says, “Removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal. An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.”) Those numbers do not include “returns,” who are Mexicans caught sneaking in by the Border Patrol and dumped back across. (The yearbook again: “Returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal. Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.”) The reason this matters is that, as Representative Smith determined, the administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those illegals caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they’re returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. The point of this Alien Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) is to disrupt smuggling networks and make it harder to just keep crossing until you get through. But they’re still just returns, without any “administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry.” This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 in the past two years. Smith noted, “When the numbers from this Border Patrol program are removed from this year’s deportation data, it shows that removals are actually down nearly 20% from 2009.” This is not just a case of spin or fudging or “political lying,” as VDH describes it below. This is pure fabrication. And, naturally, the MSM fall for it.
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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
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Posted on: Jun. 12 2014,4:44 pm |
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I see there's some immigrant heritage month add on the top of the page.
How ironic.
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Posted on: Jun. 12 2014,10:09 pm |
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Strange. My ad shows 1000 single Asian women.
Which border are they crossing? 
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