Yes they are! And you can thank your "heros" and "leaders" that send jobs overseas and keep wages stagnant thereby killing a good chunk of the tax base.
So the "patient" is bleeding, so like the old physicians cure you bleed the patient some more?
This is a free country ('least it is for a little while longer) if a person or company decides it wants to move, be it for whatever reason, labor, logistics, economics(including taxes) it can.(unless you're Boeing and get completely hosed over by the NLRB)
Your "heroes"'are the ones driving business away, choking growth.
Then again, this would reduce to another union debate.
Who said anything about unions?
Yes this is a free county. Companies can do whatever they want. But just because you can does not mean you should.
As with everything if just one small part grows out of control eventually you get an abomination that is not sustainable and eventually dies.
Thanks Maddog, can't wait to read it. grrr stupid computer isn't behaving again. I click your link and get a blank page. I went to Coburn's website and clicked his link and nothing happens. I put the title of his report in search, find the pdf link for it but get a blank page again. Does it say anything else about the cost of that training seminar? It had to cost more than $1,000 an officer. So I'm wondering who paid for the rest of that event.
And does anyone know if hollow point bullets are used in training and target practice, or are less expensive regular bullets usually used? I've been trying to find that out for a long time now. Different people give different answers, it'd be really nice to know which is true.
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HK's ? Awfully fine firearm, had one at one time, very expensive. So Glocks, Sigs and S&W's are not good enough for our gov. Employees anymore?
You're assuming it's for pistols. I believe some agencies have used the MP5 (Heckler & Koch) for SWAT teams. Secret Service and FBI have used those weapons for a long time.
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The way this GOV. is being run, HILTER could do just as good this IDIOT in the W/H reminds me of him.
Seriously? Pepi, the guy who always complains about the Jews, you're playing the Nazi-card on Obama? Oh, the irony.
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When I had heard about the first big contract for hollow point bullets, I checked into them. I don't understand why that powerful and damaging ammo is necessary.
Hollow points are not more powerful than FMJ (full metal jacket). When it comes to power it's just the chamber (9mm, .45, .38, etc.) and the grain (weight). JHP (jacketed hollow point) expands on impact though. So most people who carry use them.
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And does anyone know if hollow point bullets are used in training and target practice, or are less expensive regular bullets usually used?
I don't know whether the agencies train with them or not, but often regular shooters do. It's not a bad idea. I've target practiced with hollow points and FMJ, and if one jams on you due to ammo it'd be best to learn on the range.
As for price, they make cheap hollow points just like they make cheap FMJ.
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Not only guns and ammo but assault vehicles too.
"Assault vehicles"? You guys are usually the ones who attack people for saying "assault" weapons. Years ago I was watching one of those cop shows where the DEA was busting a dealer in Texas. They borrowed one of those same trucks from out of state for the search warrant.
You ever seen local drug task force vehicles that the SWAT team will use? It's paramilitary type stuff: tactical guns, trucks that look like armored bank trucks, camo uniforms, etc. If McCain or Romney were doing the same thing they'd get a pat on the back from conservatives for "keeping us safe," just like Bush did.
For civil liberties, I'll give my quick plug for the ACLU website. You can join, donate, or subscribe. They question Obama just like they did Bush, defend Rush's right to privacy, and sue the DOJ for violating civil liberties regardless of whether the Administration is republican or democrat.
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Thanks Maddog, can't wait to read it. grrr stupid computer isn't behaving again. I click your link and get a blank page. I went to Coburn's website and clicked his link and nothing happens. I put the title of his report in search, find the pdf link for it but get a blank page again. Does it say anything else about the cost of that training seminar? It had to cost more than $1,000 an officer. So I'm wondering who paid for the rest of that event.
And does anyone know if hollow point bullets are used in training and target practice, or are less expensive regular bullets usually used? I've been trying to find that out for a long time now. Different people give different answers, it'd be really nice to know which is true.
Most likely Roz, they train with what they carry.
If I were to own any guns I would probably carry hollow points.
It just seems to me that regular bullets would stop a person just as well as hollow points, but do far less damage. - I don't care what anyone says, I am a wuss.
And these hollow points DHS ordered from ATK don't sound like they'd be cheap.
Dang, I didn't know hollow points were so popular with people!
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^Seems like a terrible waste of a tasty looking melon.
When defending yourself with a handgun there are two things to consider, shot placement (hitting center mass) and stopping power, hollow points will give you more stopping power.
You're assuming it's for pistols. I believe some agencies have used the MP5 (Heckler & Koch) for SWAT teams. Secret Service and FBI have used those weapons for a long time.
It's too bad they redacted info on that purchase. They redacted how many guns they've been using from that company and how many agents have been using them. Redacted the purchase amount but they assure us it will be a good and fair price.
Why isn't congress saying anything about the censoring of purchases that has been happening?
SB I agree, that's a tasty looking melon. Freakin huge too, I wonder what kind it is. Looks way bigger than the honeydews we get around here.
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HAHA. DHS needs to invest in new sharpies. I just found out if you download their redacted file and zoom in on the amount per year you can see through their block. It's $900,000 per year. They did a better job on the number of firearms and agents though.- I can't see through those redactions.
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Hollow points are not more powerful than FMJ (full metal jacket). When it comes to power it's just the chamber (9mm, .45, .38, etc.) and the grain (weight). JHP (jacketed hollow point) expands on impact though. So most people who carry use them.
There can be some huge differences in SP, HP and FMJ rounds depending on their uses. In urban situations (home defense) SP and HP rounds will likely have less collateral damage than a FMJ. These rounds tend to mushroom or fragment upon impact rather than pass through an object. If you're defending yourself in your home, you are responsible for where that round goes even if it passes through an exterior wall into the house next door.
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