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Rosalind_Swenson 
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,6:42 am |
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I too doubt this is about the Desert Tortoise.
2008 article:
QUOTE "They said the (desert) tortoise was threatened, so they had to fence off these huge areas and shut out all the cattle, which means no one is out there shooting the coyotes and the raven or trapping the lions anymore, so of course that wrecked the hunting," Mr. Pappas recalled, back in 2001. "They said anyone who found a tortoise had to turn it in" to Clark County authorities.
"So what happened? They got so overrun with tortoises being turned in that they told us they were going to have to start euthanizing them. I said, 'Hold on a minute, here. Euthanize them? Why don't you just drop them out in the desert?' They said, 'Oh no, they'll fight with the native tortoises that already live out there and they'll kill each other, because all these lands are already at saturation levels.' I said, 'Wait a minute, now: Which is it? How can they be "threatened," or "endangered" ... but now you tell us all these lands are at "saturation levels" for tortoises?' "
As documented in Vernon Bostic's "Ecology of the Desert Tortoise in Relation to Cattle Grazing," the greatest death loss among Southern Nevada desert tortoises during the severe drought of 1981 occurred in the Crescent Valley Allotment, where cattle had been excluded from grazing.
"On the adjoining Christmas Tree Pass Allotment, which was grazed (by cattle) all year long, the tortoises were relatively unaffected by the severe drought. ... The reason is simple: Cows provide tortoises with both food and drink," wrote Mr. Bostic.
Cattle also help the tortoises by eating off the previous year's dried growth from grasses and other desert plants, clearing the way for new growth close enough to the ground to provide turtle fodder.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/tortoise-tale
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwALTdrMZ8
I hope the Bundy Ranch thing really is over now. I was getting worried. I'm sure the government won't let it go, but hopefully whatever they decide to do, things won't get more heated and dangerous than they already have.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am |
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If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem.
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Self-Banished
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,9:00 am |
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^^^yeah, if you don't pay your bill we'll send 200 armed agents. 
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,9:06 am |
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(Liberal @ Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am)
QUOTE If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem.
Right.
QUOTE Years ago the city wouldnt grade the alley behind my house so I threatened to get a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job. The City Attorney said, "We'll just give you the land" and the next thing I knew I had a second lot valued at $0.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,11:45 am |
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(MADDOG @ Apr. 14 2014,9:06 am)
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(Liberal @ Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am)
QUOTE If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem. Right. QUOTE Years ago the city wouldnt grade the alley behind my house so I threatened to get a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job. The City Attorney said, "We'll just give you the land" and the next thing I knew I had a second lot valued at $0.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
Did you recently take a blow to the head? The difference between me and the kook is I followed the letter of the law, and Im more than happy to give them the property they gave me. If I would have called the low IQ crowd to defend me then I could see you making a comparison.
Even the kooks at the blaze don't defend this guy.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories...tuation
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,2:41 pm |
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Technically you are not following the letter of the law if they are taxing you but you refuse to pay the tax.
Bundy paid the fees to the BLM until they changed the regulations to "save" the desert tortoise in 93. For some reason it seems the turtle was doing just fine there even after all these decades of ranching. Much better than the ones relocated for business developments, a military base or the ones kept as pets.
You used to disagree with a lot of things the government did. Now you seem to trust every single thing they say and do, and you bash the hell out of anyone who even tries to discuss any issues critical of any federal government agency.
So you are happy with how things are and you have no worries about where this country might be headed. Good for you, but this is a discussion forum after all. I heard that the guy who started this forum did so because he felt that freedom of speech was being stifled elsewhere. Yet the only thing you seem capable of, for the most part, is name-calling anyone who disagrees with your views.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,2:59 pm |
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I am following the letter of the law. There is no other process to give the government property they won't take than to default on taxes. If there was a law that allowed me to give it back I would have done it years ago.
Maybe the guy that started this forum is not going to sit on his hands while a couple of mentally unstable posters rant about black helicopters and give everyone that posts here a bad name.
How many times do you have to be wrong before you quit believing every conspiracy you hear?
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Liberal
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,4:17 pm |
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Seek help.
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