Topic: Armed DHS
started by: hmmmnoidea
Posted by hmmmnoidea on Mar. 05 2013,8:10 pm
A CIVILIAN AGENCY ARMING ITSELF TO THIS EXTENT IS *UNPRECEDENTED* IN U.S HISTORY!► Obama speaking OPENLY about the need for creating a "Civilian National Security Force" just as powerful as the military:
< http://www.youtu.be/_fO-usAlqak >
► Obama arming DHS to the teeth: 450 Million rounds of hollow-point bullets and another 175 million .223 caliber rifle ammo massive ammunition purchase:
< http://bit.ly/Hvu7Ik >
(UPDATE: Now up to 2 BILLION rounds... for perspective: we only shot 5.5 million rounds/month during the Iraq war. 2 Billion = 24 year "Iraq War". Update story: < http://bit.ly/Vrc5gf). >
► DHS Buys 7000 assault rifles:
< http://exm.nr/VoRRRj >
► DHS Buys 2500 armored fighting vehicles:
< http://bit.ly/PtCtDG >
► DHS Buys millions of dollars worth of target practice posters with pictures of armed civilians (including: pregnant women, elderly, children etc.) from a company named "Law Enforcement Targets, Inc.":
< http://bit.ly/13asFp8 >
< http://bit.ly/W91hAC >
► On Jan. 4, Ryan Keller wrote at Examiner.com: “DHS has stockpiled nearly 2 billion rounds of ammo. This is an unusually large amount for a federal agency to be stockpiling. The agency has refused to give an explanation for these purchases, going so far as to black out information on another solicitation, which is illegal without Congressional authorization or in response to national security issues.
► “The typical response from the media has been that the rounds are for target practice; however, hollow points are not used for target shooting. Hollow points are too expensive and not designed for target practice; instead, full metal jacket rounds are used for training.”
I don't care if you're the most die-hard Obama sycophant. You cannot deny the disturbing pattern that's emerging here. Take the Obama blinders off and wake up to the real agenda that's behind all those fancy speeches. If not for your own sake, for your children, and your children's children.
If you're an Obama voter, Obama doesn't care about you. He used you to get in power in order enact his sinister agenda, just like many other Marxist demagogues before him throughout recent history (look at Cuba, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia etc., almost exactly the same pattern, and exactly the same outcome). There's no shame in admitting you were duped, as long as you wake up before it's too late. This isn't about republicans vs democrats, liberals vs conservatives, or left vs right. This is about ALL our futures! Obama is toiling hard to destabilize and CRASH the US economy, so that from its ashes he can "fundamentally transform" the United States of America just like he always said he was planning to do (only you thought it meant something else). Since coming into office, Obama has more than DOUBLED Bush's deficits after promising to cut them in half by the end of his 1st term; and with no slowdown in sight. No one is THAT incompetent unless they're seeking to intentionally derail the US economy. Pay attention to what this man DOES not what he SAYS. This will affect all of us, regardless of political affiliation. We have to stop the bickering and start focusing on our common enemy and our common interests. Will you keep being in denial about all of this until it's too late? Or are you willing to consider the possibility and start thinking for yourself rather than believing everything you're told?
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< http://on.fb.me/XQVnDV >
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Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 05 2013,9:34 pm
All of which, those fancy new toys that dhs now has, wouldn't be a match against the full might of the military. I guess it would be quite the show to watch dhs morons try to take on a few military units.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 06 2013,10:41 am
That's a show I really hope we don't get a chance to see. Besides with the US government seeming intent on starting WWIII in the middle east, how many soldiers with instant access to large scale equipment/weapons/unlimited ammunition will be left on US soil?
Posted by White Pride on Mar. 06 2013,11:58 am
BRING IT ON! We need to oust this "government," starting with the local, all the way up to the national
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 28 2013,9:38 am
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< Protective Security Officer (PSO) Services in Arkansas >
Solicitation Number:
HSHQC7-13-R-00002 Notice Type:
Presolicitation Synopsis:
Added: Oct 21, 2013 2:00 pm
The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS), National Protection and Programs Directorate (NPPD), Federal Protective Service (FPS) has a requirement to acquire armed Protective Security Officer (PSO) services in the state of Arkansas. The armed PSOs will protect federal personnel and property at federally owned and leased buildings. The Contractor shall provide all labor, material, management, supervision, training, licenses, and permits to provide the services in accordance with the Statement of Work (SOW). The Period of Performance is for a one-year base period with four one-year option periods. The contract will be issued as an Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) type contract as defined in FAR 16.504. This acquisition is being solicited as 100-percent set aside for small businesses. Task orders will be issued on a labor hour basis. The source selection process to be utilized for this acquisition is best value/trade-off. The technical, non-price factors, when combined, are significantly more important than price. Estimated PSO hours for Arkansas is 722,786 for the 5-year period. The submission requirements and evaluation criteria will be defined in the solicitation. The North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) code is 561612 with size standard is $19 million. The Contractor is required to register with the System for Award Management (SAM) at < http://www.sam.gov. > No contract award shall be made to any contractor that is not registered or in the process of registering with the System for Award Management. A pre-proposal conference is scheduled to be held on November 13, 2013, from 1:00 - 3:00 p.m. (CST), at the Grand Prairie Office (National Health Building), 1901 North Highway 360, Grand Prairie, TX. Interested parties are asked to register for the pre-proposal conference by submitting an email to jennifer.j.goss@hq.dhs.gov by November 8, 2013. All questions must be submitted in writing and may be submitted in advance of the pre-proposal conference to jennifer.j.goss@hq.dhs.gov. Questions at the conference shall also be submitted in writing. The final date that questions may be submitted is November 22, 2013 at 10:00 p.m. (PST). The solicitation will be issued on or about November 4, 2013. Contracting Office Address:
701 Market Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19106
United States
Primary Point of Contact.:
Jennifer Goss
Jennifer.Goss@dhs.gov
Solicitation Number:
HSHQC7-13-R-00002 Notice Type:
Presolicitation Synopsis:
Added: Oct 21, 2013 2:00 pm
The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS), National Protection and Programs Directorate (NPPD), Federal Protective Service (FPS) has a requirement to acquire armed Protective Security Officer (PSO) services in the state of Arkansas. The armed PSOs will protect federal personnel and property at federally owned and leased buildings. The Contractor shall provide all labor, material, management, supervision, training, licenses, and permits to provide the services in accordance with the Statement of Work (SOW). The Period of Performance is for a one-year base period with four one-year option periods. The contract will be issued as an Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) type contract as defined in FAR 16.504. This acquisition is being solicited as 100-percent set aside for small businesses. Task orders will be issued on a labor hour basis. The source selection process to be utilized for this acquisition is best value/trade-off. The technical, non-price factors, when combined, are significantly more important than price. Estimated PSO hours for Arkansas is 722,786 for the 5-year period. The submission requirements and evaluation criteria will be defined in the solicitation. The North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) code is 561612 with size standard is $19 million. The Contractor is required to register with the System for Award Management (SAM) at < http://www.sam.gov. > No contract award shall be made to any contractor that is not registered or in the process of registering with the System for Award Management. A pre-proposal conference is scheduled to be held on November 13, 2013, from 1:00 - 3:00 p.m. (CST), at the Grand Prairie Office (National Health Building), 1901 North Highway 360, Grand Prairie, TX. Interested parties are asked to register for the pre-proposal conference by submitting an email to jennifer.j.goss@hq.dhs.gov by November 8, 2013. All questions must be submitted in writing and may be submitted in advance of the pre-proposal conference to jennifer.j.goss@hq.dhs.gov. Questions at the conference shall also be submitted in writing. The final date that questions may be submitted is November 22, 2013 at 10:00 p.m. (PST). The solicitation will be issued on or about November 4, 2013. Contracting Office Address:
701 Market Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19106
United States
Primary Point of Contact.:
Jennifer Goss
Jennifer.Goss@dhs.gov
Is the Bambino family preparing for some turf wars to happen sometime soon? It doesn't take a conspiracy idealist to figure out that our turd in chief is preparing for civil unrest or gearing up for domestic disorder, since the federal agency itself admitted to that fact earlier this year. When DHS purchased a wide range of body armor and helmuts. Millions of rounds of hollow point ammunition in preparations for what they called “riot control situations” and now $80 million on armed guards to protect government buildings in New York against “civil disturbances” and “public demonstrations,” something is terribly wrong.
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< Protective Security Officers (PSO) Services throughout Upstate New York >
Solicitation Number:
HSHQE2-14-R-00001 Notice Type:
Sources Sought Synopsis:
Added: Oct 10, 2013 2:40 pm
The Federal Protective Service (FPS) is the Federal Law Enforcement and Security Organization responsible for the Protection and Security of Federal Buildings, Property, and Personnel across the Nation. The FPS operations focus on Law Enforcement and reduction of Federal Facility vulnerabilities to criminal and terrorist threats as well as accidental and natural hazards, while ensuring that Public Facilities are safe, secure, and remain available as a vital part of everyday American life. FPS currently performs all necessary Security and Law Enforcement functions at nearly 9,000 federally owned and leased locations throughout the United States and its territories.
The Federal Protective Service (FPS) is conducting Market Research to locate qualified, experienced, and interested potential Small Business Sources capable of providing Protective Security Officers (PSO) Services throughout Upstate New York. A PSO is the equivalent of an Armed Guard II as set forth in the Department of Labor (DOL) Directory of Occupations. The information requested by this Sources Sought may be used within FPS to facilitate Acquisition Planning and will not be disclosed outside of the Government.
The Contractor will be required to provide and maintain all management, supervision, manpower, training, equipment, supplies, licenses, permits, certificates, insurance, pre-employment screenings, reports, files and any other resources necessary to accomplish the security services. PSOs will be required to be armed and some posts may require screening of visitors using x-rays/magnetometers. All personnel supporting the Contract will be required to meet FPS training, certification, suitability standards and the security services to be provided will include:
Basic Services - Basic Services are the permanent ongoing recurring services at Federal Locations.
Temporary Additional Services (TAS) - During the term of the Contract, the Government will have requirements for Temporary Additional Services (TAS) beyond the Basic Services requirements. TAS are short term, non-recurring needs for service such as an increase in hours to an existing post or added posts to include the weekend where a public demonstration is taking place over the weekend, addition of posts to provide for increased security for special events or high profile visitor to the building, extension of existing post hours in a building to cover seasonal fluctuations (such as at an IRS building during tax season), etc. Due to the nature of TAS the Contractor may be required to perform these services with little advance notice.
Emergency Security Services (ESS) - The Contractor shall furnish fully qualified PSOs, management, supervision, equipment, supplies and any other cost for sustained emergency surge security force services. Deployments may be to large and small-scale events such as natural disasters, civil disturbances, or other unanticipated events on an as-needed basis. The requirements under "ESS" Contract Line Item Number (CLIN) may be ordered for anywhere in the geographic area covered under this Contract with little, if any advance notice. There will be no "phase-in" period for these requirements. The Contractor shall have sufficient, fully qualified staff to meet all requirements ordered under the ESS CLIN at any time.
The training requirements to be provided by the Contractor for all PSOs working under this effort can be broken down into four categories:
One Time Only:
40 hour Basic Training
Initial Weapons Training
Orientation Training
Supervisor Training
Annual:
AED
CPR
Less-Than-Lethal Weapons (i.e. Baton/OC Spray)
Semi-Annual:
Weapons
Every Three Years:
First-Aid
Refresher Training
This acquisition is for approximately 380,000 hours of Basic Service, 20,000 hours of Temporary Additional Services and 3,500 hours of Emergency Security Services per year. Currently, there are an estimated 205 guards protecting approximately 95 posts at over 55 buildings. The estimated value of this Contract is between $75M and $80M.
For purposes of the Sources Sought, the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) Code is 561612 and the small business size standard is $18.5 million. If you believe your firm is capable of providing the requirements described in this Sources Sought, please provide capability information using the attached Sources Sought Questionnaire in excel format via email to Margie Cox Marvel, margaretmary.coxmarvel@hq.dhs.gov by October 17, 2013 at 1400 EST. In the subject line of your e-mail response, please provide your Firm's Name and the Solicitation Number (HSHQE2-14-R-00001). The Government requests that you do NOT submit any other company promotional or informational material.
This Sources Sought Notice is issued for informational and planning purposes only. This is not a Request for Proposal, a Request for Quotation, or an Invitation for Bid. It is not to be construed as a commitment by the Government to issue a Solicitation or ultimately award a Contract for the items contained in the Sources Sought. In addition, the Government is under no obligation to pay for information submitted in response to this Sources Sought, and responses to this notice cannot be accepted as offers.
NO SOLICITATION IS AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. THEREFORE DO NOT REQUEST A COPY OF A SOLICITATION.
All responses will be used to determine the appropriate Acquisition Strategy for the future Acquisition.
Per HSAM 3005.207 the FedBizOpps staff is not authorized to determine the classification code for any FedBizOpps notice. Because a misclassified Contract action fails to notify the firms most likely to respond and therefore may violate the Competition in Contracting Act, the Contracting Officer is held responsible for correctly classifying a FedBizOpps notice. A misclassified Contract action must be corrected and re-synopsized in the FedBizOpps. Detailed classification codes are available on the FedBizOpps website at: < http://www.FedBizOpps.gov/. >
Contracting Office Address:
701 Market Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19106
United States
Place of Performance:
Upstate New York
United States
Primary Point of Contact.:
Margie Cox Marvel,
Contract Specialist
margaretmary.coxmarvel@hq.dhs.gov
Phone: 2155213113
Fax: 2155212299
Solicitation Number:
HSHQE2-14-R-00001 Notice Type:
Sources Sought Synopsis:
Added: Oct 10, 2013 2:40 pm
The Federal Protective Service (FPS) is the Federal Law Enforcement and Security Organization responsible for the Protection and Security of Federal Buildings, Property, and Personnel across the Nation. The FPS operations focus on Law Enforcement and reduction of Federal Facility vulnerabilities to criminal and terrorist threats as well as accidental and natural hazards, while ensuring that Public Facilities are safe, secure, and remain available as a vital part of everyday American life. FPS currently performs all necessary Security and Law Enforcement functions at nearly 9,000 federally owned and leased locations throughout the United States and its territories.
The Federal Protective Service (FPS) is conducting Market Research to locate qualified, experienced, and interested potential Small Business Sources capable of providing Protective Security Officers (PSO) Services throughout Upstate New York. A PSO is the equivalent of an Armed Guard II as set forth in the Department of Labor (DOL) Directory of Occupations. The information requested by this Sources Sought may be used within FPS to facilitate Acquisition Planning and will not be disclosed outside of the Government.
The Contractor will be required to provide and maintain all management, supervision, manpower, training, equipment, supplies, licenses, permits, certificates, insurance, pre-employment screenings, reports, files and any other resources necessary to accomplish the security services. PSOs will be required to be armed and some posts may require screening of visitors using x-rays/magnetometers. All personnel supporting the Contract will be required to meet FPS training, certification, suitability standards and the security services to be provided will include:
Basic Services - Basic Services are the permanent ongoing recurring services at Federal Locations.
Temporary Additional Services (TAS) - During the term of the Contract, the Government will have requirements for Temporary Additional Services (TAS) beyond the Basic Services requirements. TAS are short term, non-recurring needs for service such as an increase in hours to an existing post or added posts to include the weekend where a public demonstration is taking place over the weekend, addition of posts to provide for increased security for special events or high profile visitor to the building, extension of existing post hours in a building to cover seasonal fluctuations (such as at an IRS building during tax season), etc. Due to the nature of TAS the Contractor may be required to perform these services with little advance notice.
Emergency Security Services (ESS) - The Contractor shall furnish fully qualified PSOs, management, supervision, equipment, supplies and any other cost for sustained emergency surge security force services. Deployments may be to large and small-scale events such as natural disasters, civil disturbances, or other unanticipated events on an as-needed basis. The requirements under "ESS" Contract Line Item Number (CLIN) may be ordered for anywhere in the geographic area covered under this Contract with little, if any advance notice. There will be no "phase-in" period for these requirements. The Contractor shall have sufficient, fully qualified staff to meet all requirements ordered under the ESS CLIN at any time.
The training requirements to be provided by the Contractor for all PSOs working under this effort can be broken down into four categories:
One Time Only:
40 hour Basic Training
Initial Weapons Training
Orientation Training
Supervisor Training
Annual:
AED
CPR
Less-Than-Lethal Weapons (i.e. Baton/OC Spray)
Semi-Annual:
Weapons
Every Three Years:
First-Aid
Refresher Training
This acquisition is for approximately 380,000 hours of Basic Service, 20,000 hours of Temporary Additional Services and 3,500 hours of Emergency Security Services per year. Currently, there are an estimated 205 guards protecting approximately 95 posts at over 55 buildings. The estimated value of this Contract is between $75M and $80M.
For purposes of the Sources Sought, the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) Code is 561612 and the small business size standard is $18.5 million. If you believe your firm is capable of providing the requirements described in this Sources Sought, please provide capability information using the attached Sources Sought Questionnaire in excel format via email to Margie Cox Marvel, margaretmary.coxmarvel@hq.dhs.gov by October 17, 2013 at 1400 EST. In the subject line of your e-mail response, please provide your Firm's Name and the Solicitation Number (HSHQE2-14-R-00001). The Government requests that you do NOT submit any other company promotional or informational material.
This Sources Sought Notice is issued for informational and planning purposes only. This is not a Request for Proposal, a Request for Quotation, or an Invitation for Bid. It is not to be construed as a commitment by the Government to issue a Solicitation or ultimately award a Contract for the items contained in the Sources Sought. In addition, the Government is under no obligation to pay for information submitted in response to this Sources Sought, and responses to this notice cannot be accepted as offers.
NO SOLICITATION IS AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. THEREFORE DO NOT REQUEST A COPY OF A SOLICITATION.
All responses will be used to determine the appropriate Acquisition Strategy for the future Acquisition.
Per HSAM 3005.207 the FedBizOpps staff is not authorized to determine the classification code for any FedBizOpps notice. Because a misclassified Contract action fails to notify the firms most likely to respond and therefore may violate the Competition in Contracting Act, the Contracting Officer is held responsible for correctly classifying a FedBizOpps notice. A misclassified Contract action must be corrected and re-synopsized in the FedBizOpps. Detailed classification codes are available on the FedBizOpps website at: < http://www.FedBizOpps.gov/. >
Contracting Office Address:
701 Market Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19106
United States
Place of Performance:
Upstate New York
United States
Primary Point of Contact.:
Margie Cox Marvel,
Contract Specialist
margaretmary.coxmarvel@hq.dhs.gov
Phone: 2155213113
Fax: 2155212299
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2013,10:09 am
Armed POS's?
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 28 2013,12:52 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 28 2013,10:09 am)
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Armed POS's?
SB, did you read that wrong? That's armed Protective Security Officer (PSO)
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2013,1:40 pm
^ I like POS better. 
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 29 2013,8:13 am
Actually, this just may be a request for security officers for existing, or most likely, new federal buildings.The gov't contracts out a lot of their security detail to company's like Wackenhut. You will see them a lot doing gate checks at many military installations. As far as I know they don't do high level detail work, mostly gate and perimeter checks type stuff.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 29 2013,8:24 am
(Glad I Left @ Oct. 29 2013,8:13 am)
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Actually, this just may be a request for security officers for existing, or most likely, new federal buildings.
The gov't contracts out a lot of their security detail to company's like Wackenhut. You will see them a lot doing gate checks at many military installations. As far as I know they don't do high level detail work, mostly gate and perimeter checks type stuff.
The gov't contracts out a lot of their security detail to company's like Wackenhut. You will see them a lot doing gate checks at many military installations. As far as I know they don't do high level detail work, mostly gate and perimeter checks type stuff.
That is part of it, the other is part of the 4th and 5th Amendment violating VIPR BS, because after all dhs is so important and security theater is doing something. /rolls eyes
dhs and homeland insecurity, another worthless money sink-hole, govt alphabet agency that provides absolutely nothing on any ROI.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 30 2013,8:49 am
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Deployments may be to large and small-scale civil disturbances or other unanticipated events on an as-needed basis.
Providing them with MRAPs, full body armor, assault weapons and millions of rounds of ammo.Why does the government, when we are supposedly trying to cut back on expenses, think they need to spend millions on security contracts to guard buildings during public demonstrations?
Are they preparing for when the Food Stamp armies attack the Social Services buildings?
As far as gate checks and protecting military installations, they can protect themselves.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 30 2013,12:49 pm
You have an issue with body armor, ammo and assault rifles for law enforcement? 
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2013,2:24 pm
^ You're not getting enough iron in you diet, are you?You might try some B12, niacin, folic acid and B 52's
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 20 2014,8:48 am
Once again our rightwing forum friends are full of bull, here are a couple of truthful rightwing good old boyswho explain the ammo shortage!
Steve Hornady –Hornady Ammunition
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYMiC0GeLq4 >
Kayne Robinson -NRA
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSueH1ASnkQ >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 20 2014,9:28 am
Yep, that pretty much describes them, good ol' boys. 
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 21 2014,11:18 am
Time for your medication SB
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 21 2014,12:39 pm
Because I criticized you for parroting a couple of industry hacks? These guys are no better the Bill Ruger or Ed Shultz.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 21 2014,12:40 pm
Because I criticized you for parroting a couple of industry hacks? These guys are no better the Bill Ruger or Ed Shultz.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 10 2014,10:22 am
O.K., now an armed to the teeth DHS is telling it's border guards that when they encounter illegals they should 1. hide
2. cower
3. distance themselves (run away)
< run away letter >
Good thing they have been buying stockpiles of hollow point and LAP rounds for shooting at targets.
Perhaps all they need is the holy hand grenade of Antioch to protect our borders.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2014,12:44 pm
< http://youtu.be/xOrgLj9lOwk >Sorry 'Dog, couldn't resist.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2014,12:46 pm
^^^see how that works Exlax?
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 10 2014,5:53 pm
(MADDOG @ Oct. 30 2013,8:49 am)
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Why does the government, when we are supposedly trying to cut back on expenses, think they need to spend millions on security contracts to guard buildings during public demonstrations?
Because if the government doesn't protect those buildings with everything possible the conservative media will claim Obama has blood on his hands and Rep. Issa will spend a year investigating the scandal.
Sheesh, either they're protecting the buildings too much, or they're not protecting them enough.
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O.K., now an armed to the teeth DHS is telling it's border guards that when they encounter illegals they should
1. hide
2. cower
3. distance themselves (run away)
1. hide
2. cower
3. distance themselves (run away)
The part you're referring to, "that the subject of imminent danger of death or serious injury. Agents should obtain a tactical advantage in these situations, such as seeking cover or distancing themselves from the immediate area of danger."
I'm sure you've heard of cover and concealment, so it's not a bad idea for the Border Patrol to tell them to seek cover. It's talked about in self-defense circles, but frequently part of training for law enforcement and military. Seeking cover, concealment, or distancing yourself from a threat isn't a bad idea.
If you were playing dodge ball, do you stay close to the line, proud as a peacock standing tall before the inevitable Nerfball to the 'nads, or is it better to stand back, get low, and dodge?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2014,6:31 pm
(irisheyes @ Mar. 10 2014,5:53 pm)
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Because if the government doesn't protect those buildings with everything possible the conservative media will claim Obama has blood on his hands and Rep. Issa will spend a year investigating the scandal.
Maybe if when folks being questioned wouldn't plead the 5th Rep. Issa would need a year.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 12 2014,8:34 pm
C'mon SB. There's not even a smidgen of corruption. 
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 13 2014,10:55 am
(irisheyes @ Mar. 10 2014,5:53 pm)
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I'm sure you've heard of cover and concealment, so it's not a bad idea for the Border Patrol to tell them to seek cover. It's talked about in self-defense circles, but frequently part of training for law enforcement and military. Seeking cover, concealment, or distancing yourself from a threat isn't a bad idea.
If you were playing dodge ball, do you stay close to the line, proud as a peacock standing tall before the inevitable Nerfball to the 'nads, or is it better to stand back, get low, and dodge?
If you were playing dodge ball, do you stay close to the line, proud as a peacock standing tall before the inevitable Nerfball to the 'nads, or is it better to stand back, get low, and dodge?
I would certainly think our border guards are a little bit better trained in crowd control than cowering or running away from stoners. Believe it or not, throwing stones may be considered lethal. U.S. Border Patrol has recorded more than 400 assaults since 2010 just in the San Diego sector. At what point do we make a stand and let these trespassers know we mean business?
Perhaps Jeh (Returner) Johnson could issue pepper rounds or arm border guards with rubber hoses and charge the brigades of illegals attempting to cross onto U. S. soil.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 13 2014,12:57 pm
(MADDOG @ Mar. 13 2014,10:55 am)
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(irisheyes @ Mar. 10 2014,5:53 pm)
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I'm sure you've heard of cover and concealment, so it's not a bad idea for the Border Patrol to tell them to seek cover. It's talked about in self-defense circles, but frequently part of training for law enforcement and military. Seeking cover, concealment, or distancing yourself from a threat isn't a bad idea.
If you were playing dodge ball, do you stay close to the line, proud as a peacock standing tall before the inevitable Nerfball to the 'nads, or is it better to stand back, get low, and dodge?
If you were playing dodge ball, do you stay close to the line, proud as a peacock standing tall before the inevitable Nerfball to the 'nads, or is it better to stand back, get low, and dodge?
I would certainly think our border guards are a little bit better trained in crowd control than cowering or running away from stoners. Believe it or not, throwing stones may be considered lethal. U.S. Border Patrol has recorded more than 400 assaults since 2010 just in the San Diego sector. At what point do we make a stand and let these trespassers know we mean business?
Perhaps Jeh (Returner) Johnson could issue pepper rounds or arm border guards with rubber hoses and charge the brigades of illegals attempting to cross onto U. S. soil.
Just maybe, this is another example of how the ones giving the orders have no clue as to how things work. Ya think?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2014,1:16 pm
^^^ you mean like our gov. entire fiscal policy?
Posted by pepi-lapew on Mar. 17 2014,10:08 am
I hope those idiots are wearing blue or green helmets, and issued a body bag. So they will have something to carry them off in.
Posted by Wolfie on Mar. 20 2014,11:29 am
Maybe my thinking is skewed, but with DHS being armed the way they are, and a lot of people saying that they are no match for our military even with what they have. We have to remember one fact, hillbilly clinton disarmed the military. What I mean by that is while the military has arms, they are not allowed to have them while on base. That means there is a level of security between the military and the arms they use to do their jobs. Being on a military base isn't anything like in a combat zone, no one has a weapon, with the exception of a small security force. Infantry units have to have permission to gain access to their armory and draw weapons and a limited supply of ammo in the armory. Same goes for the AF and any weapons for the aircraft
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 24 2014,5:32 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 10 2014,6:31 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Mar. 10 2014,5:53 pm)
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Because if the government doesn't protect those buildings with everything possible the conservative media will claim Obama has blood on his hands and Rep. Issa will spend a year investigating the scandal.
Maybe if when folks being questioned wouldn't plead the 5th Rep. Issa would need a year.
You always plead the 5th if you're subpoenad to a witch hunt/ McCarthy hearing. Rep. Issa doesn't have any proof of scandal or corruption, so the best he can do is keep questioning until they get some soundbites for FauxNews and the blogs to play.
Maybe if Issa keeps holding hearings they'll find a blue dress somewhere in the State Department the Republicans can examine for DNA.
When did the Republicans start caring about human lives lost, anyway? They presided over the first 9/11.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2014,4:15 am
^^^ You know if you keep playing the same side of that album it'll will eventually wear out.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 27 2014,7:02 am
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 10 2014,6:31 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Mar. 10 2014,5:53 pm)
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Because if the government doesn't protect those buildings with everything possible the conservative media will claim Obama has blood on his hands and Rep. Issa will spend a year investigating the scandal.
Maybe if when folks being questioned wouldn't plead the 5th Rep. Issa would need a year.
You always plead the 5th if you're subpoenad to a witch hunt/ McCarthy hearing. Rep. Issa doesn't have any proof of scandal or corruption, so the best he can do is keep questioning until they get some soundbites for FauxNews and the blogs to play.
Maybe if Issa keeps holding hearings they'll find a blue dress somewhere in the State Department the Republicans can examine for DNA.
When did the Republicans start caring about human lives lost, anyway? They presided over the first 9/11.
What I don't understand is why Learner is allowed to stonewall in turning over her work emails. The last time I checked she works for the government and the employer has the right to those emails. It should take the IT department an hour to hand those emails over.
And you wonder why this investigation is taking so long. The lead investigator is a political appointee and Learner is stonewalling. It doesn't take a genius to recognize who is playing reindeer games.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 03 2014,8:28 am
(Common Citizen @ Mar. 27 2014,7:02 am)
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What I don't understand is why Learner is allowed to stonewall in turning over her work emails. The last time I checked she works for the government and the employer has the right to those emails. It should take the IT department an hour to hand those emails over.
Really, so every person in an agency has to turn over all work emails? Does this mean Harry Reid can look at emails to and from all Census employees, and Obama can look at all work emails to and from DOD employees?
Doubtful CC, if it was as simple as you claim the answers to all of the above would be yes.
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And you wonder why this investigation is taking so long.
What? I don't wonder why it's taking so long, I know why it's taking so long. What would they put on the news ticker and AM radio if they stopped investigating these scandals? Best defense in politics is a good offense.
FOX and TheBlaze would have to go back to talking about FEMA camps and birth certificates.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 03 2014,9:36 pm
Do you understand the difference between a committee of congress asking for that information versus an individual politician? If employees emails are subject to scrutiny by their private employer, one would naturally believe that a public employees emails would be even more scrutinized and made available to the people (employer), barring national security. The public sector has an implied higher degree of fiduciary responsibility and should be transparent as such.
The committee is acting on behalf of the people (employer).
Excuse me...my head hurts from liberal stupidity.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 11 2014,7:19 am
< BLM vs Private Citizen >Has anyone else been following this? Reminds me of the Waco and Ruby Ridge scenarios.
And why does Eric Holder's vagina hurt?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 11 2014,8:34 am
^^^yes, I have, seems a new tidbit of info pops up regularly tipping the scales for one side or the other.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 11 2014,8:36 am
(Common Citizen @ Apr. 11 2014,7:19 am)
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And why does Eric Holder's vagina hurt?
What???
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 12 2014,9:42 am
(Common Citizen @ Apr. 11 2014,7:19 am)
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< BLM vs Private Citizen >
Has anyone else been following this? Reminds me of the Waco and Ruby Ridge scenarios.
And why does Eric Holder's vagina hurt?
Has anyone else been following this? Reminds me of the Waco and Ruby Ridge scenarios.
And why does Eric Holder's vagina hurt?
Alex Jones is screaming "Chi-Com Land Grab!" I can just hear it...
Whatever is going on down there, you can bet your socks that it's rooted in some corrupt scam. This is not about tortoises, that's for sure.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 12 2014,9:56 am
^nailed it. It has nothing to do with a turtle. You won't see this kind of reporting on the networks.< Harry Reid's Link >
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A tortoise isn’t the reason why BLM is harassing a 67 year-old rancher. They want his land. The tortoise wasn’t of concern when Harry Reid worked BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore. Whittemore was convicted of illegal campaign contributions to Senator Reid. Reid’s former senior adviser is now the head of BLM. Reid is accused of using the new BLM chief as a puppet to control Nevada land (already over 84% of which is owned by the federal government) and pay back special interests. BLM has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development. Clearly these developments have vastly affected a tortoise habitat more than a century-old, quasi-homesteading grazing area. If only Clive Bundy were a big Reid donor.
And now that this is out there the Reid machine is working on fabricating a counter story which will be played all over the major networks come Monday and then you'll see liberal sheeple supporting it as the gospel.
Am I right IE, alcitizen, and Expat?
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 12 2014,12:48 pm
Anyone know where I can get one of these?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 14 2014,6:42 am
I too doubt this is about the Desert Tortoise.2008 article:
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"They said the (desert) tortoise was threatened, so they had to fence off these huge areas and shut out all the cattle, which means no one is out there shooting the coyotes and the raven or trapping the lions anymore, so of course that wrecked the hunting," Mr. Pappas recalled, back in 2001. "They said anyone who found a tortoise had to turn it in" to Clark County authorities.
"So what happened? They got so overrun with tortoises being turned in that they told us they were going to have to start euthanizing them. I said, 'Hold on a minute, here. Euthanize them? Why don't you just drop them out in the desert?' They said, 'Oh no, they'll fight with the native tortoises that already live out there and they'll kill each other, because all these lands are already at saturation levels.' I said, 'Wait a minute, now: Which is it? How can they be "threatened," or "endangered" ... but now you tell us all these lands are at "saturation levels" for tortoises?' "
As documented in Vernon Bostic's "Ecology of the Desert Tortoise in Relation to Cattle Grazing," the greatest death loss among Southern Nevada desert tortoises during the severe drought of 1981 occurred in the Crescent Valley Allotment, where cattle had been excluded from grazing.
"On the adjoining Christmas Tree Pass Allotment, which was grazed (by cattle) all year long, the tortoises were relatively unaffected by the severe drought. ... The reason is simple: Cows provide tortoises with both food and drink," wrote Mr. Bostic.
Cattle also help the tortoises by eating off the previous year's dried growth from grasses and other desert plants, clearing the way for new growth close enough to the ground to provide turtle fodder.
"So what happened? They got so overrun with tortoises being turned in that they told us they were going to have to start euthanizing them. I said, 'Hold on a minute, here. Euthanize them? Why don't you just drop them out in the desert?' They said, 'Oh no, they'll fight with the native tortoises that already live out there and they'll kill each other, because all these lands are already at saturation levels.' I said, 'Wait a minute, now: Which is it? How can they be "threatened," or "endangered" ... but now you tell us all these lands are at "saturation levels" for tortoises?' "
As documented in Vernon Bostic's "Ecology of the Desert Tortoise in Relation to Cattle Grazing," the greatest death loss among Southern Nevada desert tortoises during the severe drought of 1981 occurred in the Crescent Valley Allotment, where cattle had been excluded from grazing.
"On the adjoining Christmas Tree Pass Allotment, which was grazed (by cattle) all year long, the tortoises were relatively unaffected by the severe drought. ... The reason is simple: Cows provide tortoises with both food and drink," wrote Mr. Bostic.
Cattle also help the tortoises by eating off the previous year's dried growth from grasses and other desert plants, clearing the way for new growth close enough to the ground to provide turtle fodder.
< http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/tortoise-tale >
< https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwALTdrMZ8 >
I hope the Bundy Ranch thing really is over now. I was getting worried. I'm sure the government won't let it go, but hopefully whatever they decide to do, things won't get more heated and dangerous than they already have.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am
If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2014,9:00 am
^^^yeah, if you don't pay your bill we'll send 200 armed agents.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 14 2014,9:06 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am)
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If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem.
Right.
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Years ago the city wouldnt grade the alley behind my house so I threatened to get a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job. The City Attorney said, "We'll just give you the land" and the next thing I knew I had a second lot valued at $0.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 14 2014,9:52 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am)
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If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem.
That's how I felt about it at first too. Except for the typical-of-you "kook" label. After checking into it a lot more though I changed my mind. Cliven Bundy had no reservations about paying fees to county or state, but refuses to pay a federal agency which is too far over reaching and negligent. This same agency which has no problem approving huge, damaging housing developments (with a freaking golf course no less) like the one CC linked to. The same agency which has no problem approving huge energy infrastructure and shopping malls, oil/natural gas drilling. Tim DeChristopher spent 2 years in prison for "disrupting" an ILLEGAL BLM land auction for oil/natural gas companies. The auction was illegally being done in the first place because the BLM did not publicly disclose all parcels of land it intended to auction. He was sentenced to 2 years for bidding on land he had no intention or means of paying. He just wanted to stop the selling of public land for pennies compared to actual worth. Which is what the BLM does all over on a regular basis, and not just to oil/gas.Even after supporters raised the money to pay for the land he bid on, he still was sent to prison. People should have started standing up to the abuses of the federal government a long time ago.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 14 2014,11:45 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 14 2014,9:06 am)
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(Liberal @ Apr. 14 2014,8:23 am)
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If the kook paid his bills there wouldn't be a problem.
Right.
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Years ago the city wouldnt grade the alley behind my house so I threatened to get a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job. The City Attorney said, "We'll just give you the land" and the next thing I knew I had a second lot valued at $0.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
Did you recently take a blow to the head? The difference between me and the kook is I followed the letter of the law, and Im more than happy to give them the property they gave me. If I would have called the low IQ crowd to defend me then I could see you making a comparison.
Even the kooks at the blaze don't defend this guy.
< http://www.theblaze.com/stories...tuation >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 14 2014,2:41 pm
Technically you are not following the letter of the law if they are taxing you but you refuse to pay the tax. Bundy paid the fees to the BLM until they changed the regulations to "save" the desert tortoise in 93. For some reason it seems the turtle was doing just fine there even after all these decades of ranching. Much better than the ones relocated for business developments, a military base or the ones kept as pets.
You used to disagree with a lot of things the government did. Now you seem to trust every single thing they say and do, and you bash the hell out of anyone who even tries to discuss any issues critical of any federal government agency.
So you are happy with how things are and you have no worries about where this country might be headed. Good for you, but this is a discussion forum after all. I heard that the guy who started this forum did so because he felt that freedom of speech was being stifled elsewhere. Yet the only thing you seem capable of, for the most part, is name-calling anyone who disagrees with your views.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 14 2014,2:59 pm
I am following the letter of the law. There is no other process to give the government property they won't take than to default on taxes. If there was a law that allowed me to give it back I would have done it years ago.Maybe the guy that started this forum is not going to sit on his hands while a couple of mentally unstable posters rant about black helicopters and give everyone that posts here a bad name.
How many times do you have to be wrong before you quit believing every conspiracy you hear?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 14 2014,3:40 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 14 2014,2:59 pm)
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I am following the letter of the law. There is no other process to give the government property they won't take than to default on taxes. If there was a law that allowed me to give it back I would have done it years ago.
Maybe the guy that started this forum is not going to sit on his hands while a couple of mentally unstable posters rant about black helicopters and give everyone that posts here a bad name.
How many times do you have to be wrong before you quit believing every conspiracy you hear?
Maybe the guy that started this forum is not going to sit on his hands while a couple of mentally unstable posters rant about black helicopters and give everyone that posts here a bad name.
How many times do you have to be wrong before you quit believing every conspiracy you hear?
Really? How many "conspiracy theories" have you actually contributed countering information on? If you can't find countering information you just call a person names and say "This is the greatest country on earth." Any sort of information that doesn't fit with your view, you just ignore or try to twist the conversation, and label it a conspiracy theory.
A few years ago you mentioned how the mainstream news didn't tell us the truth about certain things, and that the Iraq invasion was wrong. Why did you do a 180 on those two? It sure wasn't because you came across information that would make a person think otherwise. Quite the opposite. Now we can't even discuss this rancher or what led up to this event in the first place.
You're the one who has been looking nuts. Not anyone who has been bringing up relevant discussions on things that happen in this country, or because of this country.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 14 2014,4:17 pm
Seek help.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 16 2014,6:04 am
(Common Citizen @ Apr. 03 2014,9:36 pm)
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Do you understand the difference between a committee of congress asking for that information versus an individual politician?
Quite a coincidence that now it's only when Republicans request emails from Democrats (or their staff/appointees) that end up having the access. You made it sound simple before, but when I asked further if Democrats can play by those rules the story changed pretty quick.
The investigation of the talking points on 9-12-12 and Sheriff Joe's birth certificate investigation has come up empty as well. They'll both investigate more and call a press conference as needed.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 16 2014,7:08 am
(Common Citizen @ Apr. 12 2014,9:56 am)
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Am I right IE, alcitizen, and Expat?
Okay, I looked up the link you posted and watched the ten minute video on theBlaze showing the confrontation between the Park Rangers holding tazers and the group that won't let them leave.
No, the above is not quite like Waco or Ruby Ridge. Comparing Park Rangers pointing tazers at people attacking them and not letting them leave is not at all what happened to Randy Weaver and his family. I watched the video and saw the rancher's cousin run a four-wheeler into their truck, then when asked repeatedly to move so they could leave he kicked the Park Ranger's dog. Even in the end of the video the woman says she was pushed (ironic, no video of that part), what was on the video was her saying she was in front of them and then a minute later says she was on the hood before she wound up getting dust on her knees.
According to the source that CC posted he says they're claiming he owes a million bucks, he claims it's $300,000 for using government land (subsidies) to operate his business. Put a lien on his property and/or sell it at auction. Tortoises aren't relevant in this, nor are his interviews where he says he won't pay because his ancestors are Mormon.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 16 2014,10:54 am
IrishEyes, thankfully Bundy Ranch did not turn into a Ruby Ridge or Waco type event, but a lot of people did expect that up until the end. A lot still do expect it. In the video you can clearly see the guy kick at the dog, it looks to me that it is a reflex action to get the dog away when the dog lunges towards him. I'm not saying that was a smart move on his part, definitely not, but it sure does not appear as if he did it just to kick the dog for no reason. Yes there is video of the woman being thrown to the ground, it happens at the same time the dump truck/ATV incident. And the reason they wanted the dump truck stopped is because no officials or officers would answer when asked if they were using the back hoe and truck for dead cows. Again, probably not a good idea to stop it. Tensions are too high. It's not good.
I do think tortoises are relevant to this topic sinse they were the catalyst for this event back in '93.
I still don't know how to copy/paste on this system, but Judge Napolitano had some good comments on this.
Also, put into search 57 year old woman thrown to ground by blm video.
I also want to add that Ithink, for the most part, that I think the officers did a good job at remaining calm and patient.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 23 2014,4:53 am
The Feds are at it again,< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...-border >
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 24 2014,1:42 pm
Who would have thought this Bundy fella was a racist?< http://www.theblaze.com/stories...remarks >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2014,1:48 pm
^^^probably off his meds.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 24 2014,1:49 pm
Beck or Bundy?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2014,5:07 pm
Both.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,8:27 am
Now watch the unedited version of the Bundy interview.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 25 2014,9:02 am
Unedited? Did someone edit something out? You can't possibly be talking about his later remarks about Mexicans being better than "colored folk" because they go on family picnics?
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 25 2014,9:08 am
The guy is a tool. I can't believe are beholden to him as being a patriot.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,10:08 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 25 2014,9:02 am)
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Unedited? Did someone edit something out?
You can't possibly be talking about his later remarks about Mexicans being better than "colored folk" because they go on family picnics?
You can't possibly be talking about his later remarks about Mexicans being better than "colored folk" because they go on family picnics?
Yeah... the only edited part was the mexican family picnic...
The edited version took everything out of context and put an entirely different spin on it. OH, spin , no wonder you prefer that version.
IHe's definitely not a good public speaker, and he definitely missed Politically Correct 101 in school, but from watching the whole hour interview and Q and A, he sure doesn't appear to be racist.
My gramma would be about his age, she always used the Nword, BOTH versions of it, and no matter how much I complained, it had no effect. If she was still alive I'm pretty sure she'd still use those words. That wasn't the only race she used other names for. She wasn't really racist, she never said any other mean things about non-whites, it's just the era she lived in.
GIL, , this country has turned to crap and is only getting worse, hopefully more people start standing up against the abuses of our government. Hopefully soon people will tell the government to stop screwing with other countries (in our name) and hopefully soon more people will tell the government propaganda media to stop feeding us crap, and hopefully soon people will tell the government they can't arrest Americans without due process, or drone strike Americans without explanation or proof of guilt.
Hopefully soon people will realize we have some very major problems and big money banks and industries can't be the ones running things any more. OH, that's what Occupy was about when it started...too bad the lyingass media started "covering" it.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 25 2014,12:01 pm
Grandma wasn't a racist? Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,2:30 pm
OK, Gramma was a racist for using one of those Nwords and a couple other words she used for a couple other races. I still love her. I would have disowned her if she ever talked about non-whites like a few certain people in this forum have. The only name every single one of my black friends said they were offended by was African-American.
If you haven't read it yet, read a 2010 Slate article "How old was Harry Reid when the word Negro became taboo?"
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,4:57 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 25 2014,9:02 am)
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Unedited? Did someone edit something out?
You can't possibly be talking about his later remarks about Mexicans being better than "colored folk" because they go on family picnics?
You can't possibly be talking about his later remarks about Mexicans being better than "colored folk" because they go on family picnics?
I really should know better by now to read every single word you write very carefully. When I first read your comment, I didn't catch the "colored folk" part. Instead, I automatically read what he ACTUALLY DID say at thart part. "They have better family structure than most WHITE people."
You just can't stop the crap that spews out of your mouth can you.
Here, I'll save you the time:
Liberal: "Seek help." "kook."
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 25 2014,6:16 pm
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Referring to past injustices perpetrated on certain minority groups, the rancher said America has progressed “quite a bit” until now.
“We sure don’t want to go back,” Bundy said. “We sure don’t want these colored people to go back to that point. We sure don’t want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies and do it in a peaceful way.”
< http://www.theblaze.com/stories...slavery >