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nattiejean27 
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2003,6:48 pm |
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I'd so sell out and take the cash - most definitely (maybe bargain for a little more even, considering it is pocket change to him.)
I don't agree with rape or condone it, but if I was in the position she was, I would have to recognize I put myself at risk for it to some degree (if the news story they say about her end is true). If it scars someone that bad too, this amount would cover the therapy sessions to get over it, along with being set for life. This is really bad to say, but I kind of feel like she got lucky for being violated by such a rich man (if she truly did). 
She wasn't a virgin, she knows what it's all about. 
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hoosier
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2003,9:25 pm |
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Its real interesting to see what the women think about this. Like I said, I think if I was a woman, I would feel that way also, but you can never really walk in a womans shoes on this subject.
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The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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minnow
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,4:34 am |
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Yes you can...ever heard of prison?
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minnow
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,6:37 am |
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I just got a good idea. How about perpetrators of crime being allowed to make an offer to thier victims for them dropping charges.
Let's say I steal something from them and get caught by the police. I can make an offer to my victim, "I tell you what Ted, I was kinda drunk and did a really stupid thing. I will agree to pay you $1500 in cash if you agree not to press charges." The victim can then weigh over in his mind whether it's worth it to him or not. If he declines the case goes through the courts as it normally would.
This way the perpetrator is paing back his victim directly instead of society per say, which of course, entails high costs like courts and jail. It eliminates the middle man...the government.
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Mamma
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,11:28 am |
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You can bet if someone offered me 2 million to forget something.......I would forget it. I think she walked into the rape thing anyway. How many people would go back to someones hotel room with a perfect stranger. What did she think they were going to do....play checkers? I think she found out later that he was famous and decided at that point that she had been raped. And minnow, don't people kinda already do that? I smash into your car and just pay you to get it fixed and leave the insurance company out of it? I think the same thing is going on with legal stuff too.
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Tiger
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,11:37 am |
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Mamma, I am starting to see things your way. However, I think she knew full well who he was and how much money he had. Kobe Bryant is a well known face and name regardless of whether you watch basketball or not. I think if someone with his fame comes to town most people are going to know about it.
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hoosier
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,11:58 am |
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I agree with all of you, although it was a pleasant surprise to see how the women feel. I really did not expect that. I actually expected to be called a pig for suggesting she take the money, LOL. But just for fun, I have one more question. Are we to always disregard a womens accusations of rape if she is accusing someone famous with money? Are these people incapable of commiting these crimes? And just because a woman goes back to a mans room for a drink, does that not give her the right to say no at anytime? Does the fact that she is there in the first place automatically make her unbelievable? And the big one, what if it were your daughter, would you believe her? Ok, that was more than one question, just always been curious how the two sexes agree or disagree on these questions.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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Tiger
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,12:20 pm |
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A woman should be able to go back to a guy's room for a drink without having to have sex. However why not have a drink in a public setting? I think too often women regret having sex after the fact and cry rape too often. I think it is getting too easy for women to claim rape. Women might be embarrassed for their actions or scared to come to terms with any consequences that might arise (pregnancy or STD's) so they blame it on rape. I do have a friend who has been raped, and to see people cry wolf makes me sick because I know what she went through. I'm afraid that because of false accusations pretty soon women who were really raped are not going to get the justice they deserve. Cry wolf too many times and pretty soon nobody to comes to help you.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,12:31 pm |
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It should be a federal crime to even offer your victim money to drop the charges. If it were a crime then there would be no doubt as to the intentions of the victim.
As long as people are allowed to buy their way out of prosecution by paying off the victim there will never be equal justice for the classes.
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nattiejean27
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Posted on: Aug. 26 2003,4:23 pm |
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Good point Liberal.
My answers to your questions Hoosier~ (and these are related directly to what has been brought out with this specific case. It would be different if she was forcefully dragged unwillingly to his room)
| Quote | | Are we to always disregard a womens accusations of rape if she is accusing someone famous with money? |
No, definitely not. One will have to do a deep background check of the woman's credibility and her facts about it though, in order to be taken seriously against someone of this social status. Kind of the opposite way it should be "guilty, until proven innocent" (but then again, that is the way things are now a days).
| Quote | | Are these people incapable of commiting these crimes? |
Some of these people are definitely capable of commiting these crimes and have the extra benefit of "cash back up". They know more often than not, that society and the judicial system will treat them differently because of this. Tough call on both sides of the coin.
| Quote | | And just because a woman goes back to a mans room for a drink, does that not give her the right to say no at anytime? |
She should, or even the guy for that matter, should always have a right to say 'no' to ANYTHING at all times, with the ability to leave the situation too. The smart ones know exactly what "door" they are opening to a man by going back to the room. What other intention has a man ever invited a woman back to a room for a "drink" for? What does "drink" really mean. AH DUH!! My little 10 year old neice has already figured that kind of thing out already LOL. So by her going to the room in the first place, she should have been well aware of what "door" she was cracking open for a peek through. Which makes me think she has a SMALL part in the whole senario. Of course, I still think if she said "no", then "no" should be respected!
For 5 million? I'd crack that door wide open every chance I got! LOL JUST A LITTLE HUMOR (well...actually...it does make me think).
| Quote | | Does the fact that she is there in the first place automatically make her unbelievable? |
I kind of already answered this one above. It makes her more questionable, but not completely unbelievable.
| Quote | | And the big one, what if it were your daughter, would you believe her? |
I would believe my daughter. I would have to have faith that I brought her up properly to not EVER make a false claim on a man about this. And you bet I'd make it a point to do that too when she became of a certain age.
I've actually had a girlfriend get raped before and she went through a mess (it was forceful and NOT even close to being condoned on her end), BUT I've also had a close friend get raped claimed on him and he did go to jail for a year because of it. He lost a lot of friends (not to mention his senior year of high school and respect of most), but one's close to him just couldn't believe it. Come to find out within the year after he got out... she admitted to me personally and quite a few others that it didn't actually happen the way she claimed he didn't actually rape her. (A few of us did a little "set-up" on our own for his behalf and our own piece of mind on the matter). I was only 16 at the time, she was 14 (AND from a different school), and he was 18. I guess my point in saying all that was I have a hard time deciding on either side. I know it can be pretty dang harsh on both ends, but one better be sure of what they know before passing judgement on either end.
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"The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." -Frank Zappa
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