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Posted on: Jun. 11 2015,9:30 am |
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One more point. The IP address at the bottom of the post is not Jims, it's the crazy ladies IP. So I guess Jim must have broken into her house, found her computer logged in, sat down and wrote a couple hundred word post, screwed with her profile and then high tailed it out of there in case the crazy lady came back from her bunker.
I guess the other option would be that the crazy lady didnt know how to use the quote properly.
Occam's razor indeed.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2015,10:58 am |
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So if I was having problems with the quote function, this is what post #50 should look like. Even with your comprehension problems I doubt this makes sense.
QUOTE Naw, I don't need any MORE. I'd just like you to provide any case of a SUCCESSFUL LAWSUIT or EPA FINDING. What you have provided, as mentioned, is only anecdotal evidence. If this is the problem you make it out to be, where is the vaunted Federal Government? Like most libbies, you seem to trust them--why aren't you angry at THEM for their FAILURE to do what they are charged with doing? Is it because FAILURE IS AN OPTION--just like most Federal programs? 
Not sure what to do with this line since it's the part I quoted in my original #50 post, from jim in post 45 and it's still in quotes in the messed up post #50:
QUOTE Still NO scientific evidence that fracking is dangerous--despite its widespread use, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DO DRINK THAT GROUNDWATER with no bad effects. Has there been even ONE successful court case proving that fracking caused issues--despite its widespread use, millions of people exposed, and an army of lawyers that would just love to jump on the issue?"
Seriously Jim? Because the companies doing the fracking have the BIGGEST army of lawyers. But, anyways, here's a short list of documented proof of problems for you. No court case yet, but I have a feeling there will be some very very soon:
Logan Mountain Colorado, 2008http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_13535728
QUOTE 2008? You mean that in 4 YEARS they can't prove their case?
Pavillion Wyoming Health Survey:
People here are sick. Our water, air, soil, and our health are all connected, says John Fenton, Pavillion resident with a contaminated drinking water well. Thanks to the EPA we will know what chemicals are in our water. Now we need to know the chemicals in our air, our homes and our bodies.
QUOTE Well, what did the EPA have to say?  Guess all we have to go on is ONE PERSONS OPINION.
Since the development of the oil and gas resources in the area, Pavillion residents have reported contamination and health impacts that they suspect are coming from Encana's Pavillion/Muddy Ridge gas-field. Residents' symptoms have ranged from rashes and headaches to neurological disorders and cancers. The survey found 94% of participants reported health impacts that are known effects of chemicals identified last year in drinking water wells.
QUOTE If this is clear-cut--why hasn't the vaunted EPA shut it down?
A significant survey finding also includes 81% of participants reporting respiratory ailments. This indicates that a primary pathway of human exposure to chemicals in the area may be occurring through air pathways, such as industrial releases and from showering or washing dishes with contaminated water. Based on the survey, the landowners and groups are calling for regulators to identify the source of contamination, conduct residential and regional air-monitoring, and to implement medical monitoring in which residents with health impacts can receive blood and urine testing.
"We have spent thousands on doctors and tests", says Jeff Locker, a Pavillion landowner with contaminated water. Locker and his wife have struggled with respiratory and neurological symptoms, constant nausea and headaches, and aggressive pre-cancerous growths. "It's big profit over people's health. Our health officials need to step forward. "
QUOTE Let's see the results of those tests--and what EPA has to say about them. 
While Encana and regulators claim that the source of the water contamination has not been identified, oil and gas production is the only industrial activity in the area. The EPA is planning to release additional drinking water tests to the public on August 31st. The State of Wyoming's Department of Environmental Quality is slated to place an air monitor in the Pavillion area in late September that will assess regional air quality.
------- The EPA has just recently verified that fracking has poisoned this town's water, air and land.-----------------
QUOTE Let's see the report. You said you could provide more.
Poplar Montana:
Oil companies have agreed to pay $320,000 to the northeastern Montana city of Poplar to relocate water wells and take other steps to deal with a 40 million gallon plume of pollution seeping into drinking supplies.
Environmental Protection Agency scientist Sarah Roberts said Tuesday that Poplar's water so far remains safe to drink but faces imminent danger.
Federal officials have been tracking the underground plume's spread from the East Poplar oil field for decades. It is moving toward Poplar and reached city water supplies in 2010.
QUOTE "Tracking for decades? How long has fracking been accomplished there? 
Some wells outside town already have been rendered undrinkable by the plume of salty pollution
http://billingsgazette.com/news...44.html
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August 2010:
A new report by the Pennsylvania Land Trust Association said the state has identified 1,435 violations by 43 Marcellus Shale drilling companies since January 2008, prompting environmental groups to call for quick legislative action to protect water and land resources.
According to Monday's report, 952 of the violations were identified as having or likely to have an impact on the environment. Those included 100 violations of the state Clean Stream Law, 268 for improper construction of waste water impoundments; 277 for poor erosion and sedimentation plans during well pad, road and piping construction; 16 for improper blowout prevention; and 154 for discharging industrial waste, including drilling waste water containing toxic chemicals, onto the ground or into streams.http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/10215/1077192-454.stm
QUOTE All of those violations, yet they couldn't find ONE for fracking!
Franklin Township Pennsylvania March 2012:
The Department of Environmental Protection has asked a natural gas drilling company to step in and help three Franklin Twp. families whose well water contains high levels of methane.
State environmental regulators have not determined the source of the gas and are not saying WPX Energy is responsible for the methane, DEP spokeswoman Colleen Connolly said. But in a letter to the driller Friday, regulators asked that WPX help address the problem.
"They can offer to put in (methane) mitigation systems. They can offer to buy bottled water. We did ask them to vent at least one well," Ms. Connolly said.
"We're looking at a situation where some temporary fixes need to be put in, and we're putting the ball in WPXs court"
QUOTE They have no evidence, but WPX is supposed to prove that they are NOT guilty?
The department began investigating elevated methane in the water wells in December when residents along Route 29 in the hamlet of Franklin Forks noticed discolored water and intermittent eruptions of gas and water from their well.
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news...f1SCBiU
---------We're not saying you are responsible, but pretty please help them out?
Two days later they put in vents and offer free supplies of clean water. Just to be nice?
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news...1289112
Ms. Hadlick's water also contained high levels of salts. Her methane level, 58.3 milligrams per liter, is more than twice the concentration state regulators have called the "true level of concern": when the water is so full of gas it begins to release it to the air.
"It makes your hair really dried out and yucky feeling," Ms. Hadlick said. "My son has had sores in his mouth from using the water to brush his teeth."
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Pennsylvania doctors now have a gag order on them so they can't tell patients what chemicals they might be exposed to.
Under a new law, doctors in Pennsylvania can access information about chemicals used in natural gas extraction -- but they won't be able to share it with their patients. A provision buried in a law passed last month is drawing scrutiny from the public health and environmental community, who argue that it will "gag" doctors who want to raise concerns related to oil and gas extraction with the people they treat and the general public.
QUOTE REALLY? With all of these links, why isn't there a link to this supposed "gag" order? Why isn't the EPA allowing doctors to talk about this, if there really is an issue?
There is good reason to be curious about exactly what's in those fluids. A 2010 congressional investigation revealed that Halliburton and other fracking companies had used 32 million gallons of diesel products, which include toxic chemicals like benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene, in the fluids they inject into the ground. Low levels of exposure to those chemicals can trigger acute effects like headaches, dizziness, and drowsiness, while higher levels of exposure can cause cancer.
QUOTE Yet NOT ONE MENTION OF METHANE.
The latest move in Pennsylvania has raised suspicions among the industry's critics once again. As Walter Tsou, president of the Philadelphia chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility, put it, "What is the big secret here that they're unwilling to tell people, unless they know that if people found out what's really in these chemicals, they would be outraged?"
http://www.theatlantic.com/health...0
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All that leftover fracking water has to be stored some place. Alot of it is being pumped deep underground in Ohio:
QUOTE Yet, "carbon sequestration"--pumping carbon back deep underground, is OK with these same eco-nuts?
All that underground space has made Ohio a leading importer of wastewater from other states. Last year, oil and gas companies injected 511 million gallons into Ohio’s wells, the most on record, according to the state’s Department of Natural Resources. More than half came from elsewhere. Of the 94.2 million gallons of drilling wastewater that Pennsylvania’s Marcellus shale operators sent to disposal wells last year, 98 percent went to Ohio.
Oil and gas companies haven’t put up as much of a fight over the proposed regulations, perhaps because they were introduced in the aftermath of a series of bizarre earthquakes near Youngstown that have been linked to the underground wastewater. There had been no record of quakes in the area before D&L Energy, based in Youngstown, began injecting wastewater into a well about 9,200 feet underground in December 2010. Starting in March, there were 12 quakes within a mile of the well ranging from magnitude 2.1 to a 4.0 quake that hit on New Year’s Eve.
----Ohio's earthquakes:
The ODNR's 20-page preliminary investigation report released Friday based its findings on evidence from seismic monitors, the locations of the epicenters of 12 minor earthquakes within one mile of the disposal well, and the discovery of a heretofore unknown fault in the underlying bedrock.
"We made the determination that, while it's difficult to induce seismic activity, the depth of this well reached a previously unmapped fault and there is a likelihood it lubricated the fault, resulting in seismic activity," ODNR spokesman Carlo LoParo said.
The earthquakes registered magnitudes of 2.7 to 4.0, rattling dishes in homes but causing no structural damage. A 4.0-magnitude earthquake has a seismic energy yield equivalent to detonating a small atomic bomb.
The first earthquakes occurred three months after the high-pressure injection of wastewater began. Several quakes occurred in December 2011, with the last and most powerful on New Year's Eve, less than 24 hours after state regulators asked the company to shut down the well.
http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12070/1215767-503-0.stm
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Fracking is also responsible for many earthquakes in Oklahoma and the UK. Just google it.
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Unfortunately there are plenty more instances of fracking poisoning water, land and air, so just ask if you want more. Also, it is getting harder for the media, EPA and drillers to hide it. Too many people are sick, it is happening too often, too many people are finally finding out about it, and too many people are mad.
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QUOTE You seem to believe that all of societies ills--from bad-tasting water to earthquakes, are the result of "big oil companies." Inexplicably, you put your faith in the Federal Government--which doesn't seem to share your views as they've done nothing to support your views or to stop the practice.
Which is it--
A. Is the science NOT settled, or
B. has the Federal Government colluded with "big oil" to not allow the practice?
Since you are a good liberal and don't like the practice, I'd expect that you would not use natural gas for heating--would boycott electrical companies that use it for producing electricity when the windmills don't work--and wouldn't use petroleum products from companies that engage in the practice.
They used to have bumper stickers in Texas that said "For those that don't like oil, let 'em freeze to death in the dark!"
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2015,11:37 am |
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How about you explain how the post has your IP address at the bottom and your name at the top?
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So you admit you dont know anything about computers and yet nobody can tell you that you're wrong about this. Do you realize there is not one person that backs you up on this? How much do you think maddog would like to prove me wrong, yet he's not backing you up. Why do you think that is? I can tell you why, it's because you'd have to be crazy to think that jimhanson would or could do what you're accusing him of. Why would he edit your posts when he eviscerated you every time you posted. There isn't one exchange between you two where he didnt make you look like a fool.
Okay try to concentrate and come up with an explanation of how he could get your password, or how he could make the edits and not leave any trace of making those changes.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2015,4:11 pm |
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(Liberal @ Jun. 11 2015,2:29 pm)
QUOTE So you admit you dont know anything about computers and yet nobody can tell you that you're wrong about this. Do you realize there is not one person that backs you up on this? How much do you think maddog would like to prove me wrong, yet he's not backing you up. Why do you think that is? I can tell you why, it's because you'd have to be crazy to think that jimhanson would or could do what you're accusing him of. Why would he edit your posts when he eviscerated you every time you posted. There isn't one exchange between you two where he didnt make you look like a fool.
Okay try to concentrate and come up with an explanation of how he could get your password, or how he could make the edits and not leave any trace of making those changes.
QUOTE So you admit you dont know anything about computers and yet nobody can tell you that you're wrong about this.
So why don't you explain what happened with post 50.
QUOTE Why would he edit your posts when he eviscerated you every time you posted. There isn't one exchange between you two where he didnt make you look like a fool.
That's freakin hilarious. jim always made as big a fool of himself as you do. When he can't rebut something he just ignores it like nothing was said. Just like you do. Or calls a person names and acts like dealing with the other person's stupidity is just not worth the time, just like you do. Unlike you however, I don't think jim ever twisted and lied like you constantly do.
I didn't know that post 50 had gotten screwed up until much later after the fact when I came back looking for a link, which I had unfortunately HAD in comment 50, but it's gone now. When blahblahblah commented with post 54, I thought he was the one responding to some of the things I had written in 50. I wondered why he sounded as obnoxious as jim. Blahblah was always respectful and actually discussed things.
So I responded to jim in post 56. Jim, as usual, acted like he didn't even see any response. Typical. Kinda like how that time he posted a wikipedia page supposedly explaining the climategate emails, but the link he posted was actually a wikipedia page that overwhelming showed the opposite of what jim thought it was. And he just went on acting like he hadn't made a total fool of himself again... just like you do.
QUOTE Okay try to concentrate and come up with an explanation of how he could get your password, or how he could make the edits and not leave any trace of making those changes.
How about you come up with an explanation of what happened to post 50.
How many traces will a person leave if they sign into someone's account using the other person's username and password?
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I gave you the explanation but because you're always a victim you can't accept that you did something wrong. Just like you can't admit that you gave the county your kids, you lied about that for years and even wrore letters to the editor blaming DHS. Then you finally admit you gave them your two oldest kids, but you claim it was temporary, so in your mind you did nothing wrong and were just a victim of a DHS kidnapping.
The really messed up thing is you spent years trashing the name of everyone at DHS for doing nothing but helping you out. And you knew they couldn't defend themselves because of privacy laws. That makes you a complete and total a-hole.
And don't even try playing the victim and claim I'm talking about your kids. I'm talking about your inability to accept blame for your actions. I've said before I think you kids were victims in the whole thing, but I think they're victims of your behavior, not DHS.
http://www.workopolis.com/content...-is-you
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-signs-that-youre-the-problem/
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