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Posted on: May 21 2004,3:16 pm |
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The full video I watched is about 4-5 minutes and clearly shows some kind of weapon being handled by two of the three softies.
I don't see a problem here. Wounded Iraqis could still drive a truck loaded with explosives into an allied position.
They picked the wrong fight, that was their mistake. All we can do now is pray for their souls as we should for everyone in conflict.
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Uncle Ben
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Posted on: May 23 2004,11:20 am |
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"They" or Saddam didn't do 9/11. WE picked the fight.
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Posted on: May 24 2004,1:07 am |
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How do you know that Saddam was not involved in terrorism?
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jimhanson
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Posted on: May 24 2004,11:57 am |
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Back to the thread--these guys were loading weapons out in the desert, and ground intel tipped off the Apache crew. No global strategy, no international relations--just some bad guys and the sheriff out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, duking it out. The Apache won, and nothing would normally have been said, except there was this extraordinary video.
I'm surprised that the Iraqis weren't killed outright--a 30mm shell is about an inch across--and these are normally AP shells, as well.
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Uncle Ben
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Posted on: May 24 2004,11:56 pm |
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Enough nice college kids (who signed up for reserve for college money) come home in body bags and Iraq will hand us our second defeat after Nam. As long as they keep picking off Johnnies, they can't lose.
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Posted on: May 25 2004,9:04 am |
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There is no proof these guys were loading weapons. The video shows a 4-5 foot tube that put on the side of the road which the crew thought might be a weapon. But, like Jim said back to the thread... Why did the gunship pilot kill the wounded Iraqii? He was no longer a threat to anyone after being hit with a 30mm chaingun.
Also where is the proof of the weapon? Why didn't this ground intel that Jimhanson mentioned go fetch the "weapon" after the killings.
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adamwpuyear
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Posted on: May 25 2004,9:09 am |
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20/20 hindsight and second-guessing.
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Uncle Ben
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Posted on: May 25 2004,4:30 pm |
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The US attacked Iraq. We are the aggressors. WE are guilty of war crimes and the whole world knows it and agrees.
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adamwpuyear
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Posted on: May 25 2004,4:32 pm |
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No response.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: May 25 2004,4:46 pm |
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I posted the link to Snopes.com earlier in the thread--that was the source for "ground intel". The piece doesn't give the proximity of the intel people. It only says that the Apache crew had a much clearer view than the photos.
Why didn't we save the wounded Iraqi? Even wounded have the ability to fire back--I didn't see him try to surrender, either. Apache's have no provision for "dustoff" air evac. You'd have to ask the Apache crew. From ABC NEWS| Quote | According to ABC:
A senior Army official who viewed the tape said the pilots had the legal right to kill the men because they were carrying a weapon. He said there were no ground troops in the area and if the Apache pilots had let the three Iraqis go, the men might have gone on to kill American troops.
Keane agreed. "Those weapons were obviously not being pointed at them in particular, but they [the three Iraqis] are using those weapons in their minds for lethal means and they [the Apache pilots] have a right to interfere with that," he said.
Anthony Cordesman, an ABCNEWS defense consultant who also viewed the tape, said the Apache pilots would have had a much clearer picture of the scene than what was recorded on the videotape. He also said they would have had intelligence about the identity of the men in the vehicles. "They're not getting a sort of blurred picture. They have a combination of intelligence and much better imagery than we can see."
As to whether the Apache pilots could have called in ground troops to apprehend the men, Cordesman said: "In this kind of war, wherever you find organized resistance among the insurgents, you have to act immediately. If you wait to send in ground troops almost invariably your enemy is going to be gone."
Army officials acknowledged that the 30 mm cannons used by the Apache gunners were far bigger than what was needed to kill the men, but said it is the smallest weapon the Apaches have.
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