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minnow
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Posted on: Jan. 21 2004,12:14 am |
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"I mean, nobody wants to look unpatriotic or like a terrorist by standing up for their rights....."
Except da Minnow. You all know my record. I stood up and said the right thing and was crucified by this crowd last year because I remebered and took to heart Benjamen Franklin wise words.
Now everybody else is getting on board. That's just another example...proof if you will, that I'm just a tad smarter than most of this crowd and am a true and real hero.
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| Post Number: 42
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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Jan. 21 2004,10:28 am |
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Worldnet Daily ran a copy of a new report on aviation security--the report said that despite the Billions of dollars spent on Homeland Security, Transportation Security Administration (or "The School for the Assinine"), the disruption of an entire industry, creation of widespread fear in the flying public, elimination of air service to smaller communities--flying is no safer than BEFORE the Federal government got involved, and foreign governments have reciprocated by forcing U.S. passengers to undergo the same process. Since other countries don't have access to the same electronic databases that we do, it can add an hour to incoming foreign Customs clearances. Link to article http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36689
A funny observation was made by the aviation security firm creating the report. The TSA has recently instituted a "watch list" of suspected terrorists, and instituted fingerprinting of ARRIVING passengers. | Quote | | AND IF AN ARRIVING PASSENGER IS FOUND TO BE ON A TERRORIST THREAT WATCH LIST, ISN’T THIS PROCESS AT LEAST ONE PLANE RIDE TOO LATE? |
Feel safer, yet? 
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Montyman
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Posted on: Jan. 23 2004,8:29 pm |
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Yup, just as many plane crashes occur as they did before Homeland Security.
Maybe the media is sending people thru the gates to disrupt things just to get a story...
Worldnet Daily sounds trustworthy to me, though.
What media person is always quoting the absolute truth?
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Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 23 2004,9:06 pm |
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Number of terrorist plane crashes BEFORE Homeland Security-0.
Number of terrorist plane crashs SINCE 9/11--0.
Number of hijackings EVER thwarted by 30 years of "air marshals" in the U.S.--0
How many Billions of dollars spent? How many Billions in losses in the airline industry? How many people inconvenienced to provide "eyewash"--including National Guardsmen for show at the airport--each with 5 bullets, and an unloaded gun? How many communities with reduced or eliminated air service?
These are the nitwits that have done their best to thwart the will of the people and of Congress by throwing every impediment into arming pilots (is there any doubt that if the pilots of any of those 4 aircraft were armed, there wouldn't have BEEN crashes into the WTC?). And these clowns think it's a good idea to fingerprint ARRIVING passengers--AFTER they've been on the airplane?
If these guys were at all effective, don't you think that the airlines and the flight crews would be clamoring for more TSA involvement? Is it any wonder that the aviation industry holds the TSA in such low regard--and fears what they may do next? 
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Montyman
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Posted on: Jan. 24 2004,5:43 pm |
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Don't you think that the government in general has too much power to regulate, legislate the power to agencies to enact rules (not just for air travel)?
They are 'protecting' all of us for our 'own good' because they think we can't take care of ourselves.
I'm sure this was said 100 years ago too.
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Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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hoosier
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Posted on: Jan. 28 2004,10:18 am |
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Speaking of homeland security. Did you see on the news last week where an ex politician in some city(cant remember) was appointed to run the cities homeland security. One of the first things he did was go out and buy a 17,000 dollar plazma TV for his office, with tax payer homeland security funds.
Do you really think this is the only guy doing this?
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The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2004,4:30 pm |
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Montyman's comments made me wonder about the ratio of government employees to to general population was. It was difficult to find, but did come up with this sitehttp://web.ask.com/redir?b....e=0&o=0
The good news is that the growth of direct federal employees as a percentage of the general population is actually declining (not nearly as much as it should be of course). The bad news is the state and local direct employee count is growing far more rapidly than the general population.
The site states that approximately 10% of the populace is DIRECTLY employed by Federal, State, and local government. It includes the military and the post office. It does not include teachers, or workers in government-related industry, like defense. It also does not include Social Security.
That's a lot of people DIRECTLY working for the government, but fewer than I would have expected. It was also interesting to note that Federal employment has been nearly flat since the end of WW II, but note the steep rise in local and State employment.
Census statistics by State and County abound--most between 17% and 25%--but the charts do not show what is included.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2004,10:53 pm |
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Have you ever thought that the number of government employees is directly related to the FACT that government (international, federal, state, and local) at all levels has created a monster, because the politicians think that they are omnipotent, with infinite wisdom, using their false ideal of representing their constituents to feed the growth of government?
They are really no smarter than the rest of us, you know.
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Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jan. 31 2004,4:26 pm |
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You nailed it, Montyman. With 10% of the populace DIRECTLY working for government, and a large percentage of the population regularly receiveing SOME kind of check from the government (social security, medicare, crop payments, welfare, job retraining, disaster relief, etc.), we have somewhere around 25% of the populace beholden to the government. Add in all the people that SELL things to the government, and it seems like HALF THE COUNTRY is beholden to the government.
Since only about half the country works (some are too young, or too old)--that means EACH WORKER IS CARRYING A GOVERNMENT WORKER ON HIS BACK! NO WONDER I'M TIRED! (only somewhat sarcastic!)
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Jan. 31 2004,6:37 pm |
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Yep, and those groups are going to be rallied to vote in every election (national & state especially) for the candidate that promises the most money. Plus, they'll picket the candidates that get elected and try to cut spending.
Then many of the active supporters are promised jobs, get careers as civil servants, devoting their service to the rest of the public. (very sarcastic)
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