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Posted on: Dec. 29 2003,1:03 pm |
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you do the crime you do the time. Your loser friend should have learned the first time. You may not agree with the law or the punishment, but you know it exists and you should follow it. If you don't agree with it you can lawfully atempt to have it changed. I think they should charge more like $60 a day and then extra for meals. A decent hotel is at least $60 and that does not include food. Idiots like your friend should have to pay a high price for their stupidity. It is people like your friend who end other people's lives.
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2003,4:15 pm |
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Get off your soapbox guest. With the current limit at .08, I could blow over the limit after eating a couple of my grandmothers holiday cookies! That’s the problem with laws like these, there are some people who could not drive blowing a .04 and others who are fine blowing .10 and that is not taken into account at all. It’s a one-size-fits-all kind of thing that is inherently wrong. However, since I do not know who the individual is for all I know he could be the monster you are trying to make him out to be. But then again I could be right.
Personally, I think they would have been better off building two smaller jails, one for the serious offender and one for the work-release type. Think about it, if they are fine to be in society part of the day I really do not think they need the same level of security a rapist or murder would need. But again, we have a one-size-fits-all solution (county jail), so we end up paying the same costs housing a murder as a shoplifter. Go figure…
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2003,5:10 pm |
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So slave, it is okay for people to be repeat offenders with drunk driving, causing accidents and killing people? By the way, Minnesota's limit is not the .08 you state, it is still .10. And because our legislature goes along with people like you, it will be costing the State millions of dollars in construction funds from the federal government. Our roads are in bad enough shape the way it is, we really can not do without this money because some jerk offs don’t want to limit their intake of intoxicating substances. You want to drink too much that is your business, as soon as you get behind the wheel it is everyone else’s business. We should be tougher on a lot of crime, drunk driving is one of them.
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2003,5:35 pm |
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I don't know if it is still true, but one of the downfalls of the infamous 55 mph. speed limit was when the Federal government threatened to withold highway funds (OUR MONEY), somebody pointed out that the Federal Government never has followed through with their threat. One by one, the States ignored the threats by the Federal government, until the law was repealed.
Does anyone know if the Federal government has actually witheld money to the States from highway funds?
Edited by jimhanson on Dec. 29 2003,5:36 pm
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2003,7:23 pm |
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Thanks, Guest. I saw that one on my search, but also came up with a couple more. Without debating whether the .08 is the right figure to use (I personally agree with CPU_slave on this one), I get really angry with the prospect of Federal blackmail. It appears there is no Federal standard that says that States must adopt .08--but "if you want Federal Highway tax money, you have to do so".
Looking into this, I have found several sites that say that there hasn't been any Federal money held back. One of the more interesting sites ishttp://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/lcs/fn/fnote98/hb1218.htm which proposes that there be a $100 licensing fee on 18-21 year-olds that allows them to drink non-intoxicating malt liquor (3.2 beer) as a way to offset potential loss of highway funds! 
In addition to the threat of witholding funds for the 55 mph speed limit, the Federal government also tried (and failed) with the motorcycle helmet law--states initially complied, then opted out. They did the same with the seatbelt law, many states (like Minnesota) adopted the law, with the proviso that it couldn't be used to pull someone over. Two States (Nebraska being one) had a general referendum that repealed seatbelt laws. Even liberal Minnesota defied the Federal law--from Fiedor News, Jan. 27,2002| Quote | | A few states, such as Maine, Minnesota, Michigan, Virginia, Louisiana and Texas have called the EPA's bluff and refused to comply with centralized testing. The Heritage Foundation and the National Motorists Association have tracked punitive action by the EPA and have found no instances in which highway funds have actually been withheld. |
I don't see any emissions testing stations in Minnesota.
I'm not sure exactly where the line has been drawn in Federal vs. States rights. There are serious legal and Constitutional issues here--three come immediately to mind--"Does the Federal Government, in collecting gasoline and other taxes FOR the states, have the right to WITHOLD those revenues FROM the States?" "Since witholding tax revenues was not enacted by Congress, can a Federal Administration legally withold that money? (all taxes must be approved by an elected body). Finally, the 10th Amendment--"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people".
Again, not debating whether or not these laws are the right thing to do, only that people often get stampeded by the threat of what government can do. I question whether the .08 is as much an assured "win" as a Vikings 11-point lead with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 
Edited by jimhanson on Dec. 29 2003,7:26 pm
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when i lived in the metro i had to have my vehicles emisions tested so wrong again jimmy
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2003,10:51 am |
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Sorry you wasted your money. Are they still doing mandatory emissions checks in St. Cloud--or anywhere ELSE in the State? | Quote | | "Again, not debating whether or not these laws are the right thing to do, only that people often get stampeded by the threat of what government can do." |
Your emissions tester, or the city of St. Cloud, was obviously one of the entities stampeded into "compliance". Thank goodness SOMEBODY had the backbone to challenge and beat back this illegal Federal action! Upshot--Federal funds were NOT witheld.
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2003,6:59 pm |
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you may see .08 next session.
Mn/DOT and their money men are worried about those federal $.
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2003,10:06 pm |
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My friend really is not much of a drinker at all. 6 years ago he got pulled over by the Glenville cop for a license light out. He blew 1.1 and paid thousnds all told.
Second time, he was downtown during a snowstorm helping a woman friend of hers getting her car unstuck. He was behind the wheel when the police happened by. He blew a 1.0.
It took nearly 2 years to get through the courts and now he got 6 months but they wanted a whole year out of him.
Both OWI's will end up costing in excess of $10,000.
I'm with Minnow. Just get high.
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