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Rosalind_Swenson 
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Posted on: Oct. 15 2015,2:26 pm |
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(MADDOG @ Oct. 15 2015,12:52 pm)
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(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,11:36 am)
QUOTE By the time S. Carolina primaries arrive we should know. Once more those states late in the primaries will have little say in candidates. Media will have annointed their choice and the sheep will bow in reverence. Wouldn't you say that the media has already picked their anointed ones? There's little doubt that the MSM has Hillary already elected. Sure, they are pushing the Trump train down the tracks but seem confident that train will run off the track soon enough. I think the left loonies believe the Donald will self implode. The later, the better. At that point, the only sheep will be following the bitchwolf.
The media has been working to sway voters for decades. It's crap. The democratic debates are an example.
Slate debate poll: Sanders 71% of the votes. Clinton 16%
http://www.slate.com/article...ll.html
Slate writer declares Clinton the "winner".
http://www.slate.com/article...ut.html
The group of people CNN had assembled for the debates had also chosen Sanders as the one they liked the best after the debate. And the polls:
CNN debate poll: Sanders 81% Clinton 13%.
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039
CNN writers declare clinton the big winner of the debate:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-updates/
Time magazine poll of the democratic debate. Sanders 56% of the votes Hillary only got 11%:
http://time.com/4071956...who-won
Time magazine writers declare Hillary debate winner:
http://time.com/4072784/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-offense/
I don't think there's a single article in the other mainstream press that isn't calling Clinton the "big winner" of the debate. Because there's too damn many people who will only vote for the one they think has the best chance at winning, just so the other party won't get their guy in.
Stardust and Botto, so true on foreign policy. In my opinion we need our leaders to stop meddling and screwing with other countries. Hillary Clinton? yeesh. She was the only person on that stage who pushed for the Iraq war. Everyone else strongly opposed it.
My favorite quote from the debate was from Chafee
QUOTE “ Well, we just heard Senator Sanders say that it's the worst decision in American history. That's very significant, the worst decision in American history, I just heard from Senator Sanders.
So, as we look ahead, if you're going to make those poor judgment calls, a critical time in our history, we just finished with the Vietnam era, getting back into another quagmire -- if you're looking ahead, and you're looking at someone who made that poor decision in 2002 to go into Iraq when there was no real evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- I know because I did my homework, and, so, that's an indication of how someone will perform in the future. And that's what's important.”
Her "ooops, my bad" defense whenever it is brought up doesn't cut it either.
Stardust:
QUOTE Sheep love a herd. Media shepard the sheep on over-grazed pastureland.
Completely agree.
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Posted on: Oct. 15 2015,2:42 pm |
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I think the Lincoln Chaffee answer (or more accurately, excuse) "I had just gotten to the senate" was my favorite of the night though I had to clean up my soda I shot through my nose. 
If nothing else those of us on either side of the coin, who actually pay attention will be entertained for the next year.
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stardust14
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Posted on: Oct. 15 2015,6:00 pm |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 15 2015,2:26 pm)
QUOTE The media has been working to sway voters for decades. It's crap. The democratic debates are an example. Slate debate poll: Sanders 71% of the votes. Clinton 16% http://www.slate.com/article...ll.htmlSlate writer declares Clinton the "winner". http://www.slate.com/article...ut.htmlThe group of people CNN had assembled for the debates had also chosen Sanders as the one they liked the best after the debate. And the polls: CNN debate poll: Sanders 81% Clinton 13%. https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039CNN writers declare clinton the big winner of the debate: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-updates/Time magazine poll of the democratic debate. Sanders 56% of the votes Hillary only got 11%: http://time.com/4071956...who-won Time magazine writers declare Hillary debate winner: http://time.com/4072784/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-offense/I don't think there's a single article in the other mainstream press that isn't calling Clinton the "big winner" of the debate. Because there's too damn many people who will only vote for the one they think has the best chance at winning, just so the other party won't get their guy in. Stardust and Botto, so true on foreign policy. In my opinion we need our leaders to stop meddling and screwing with other countries. Hillary Clinton? yeesh. She was the only person on that stage who pushed for the Iraq war. Everyone else strongly opposed it. My favorite quote from the debate was from Chafee QUOTE “ Well, we just heard Senator Sanders say that it's the worst decision in American history. That's very significant, the worst decision in American history, I just heard from Senator Sanders.
So, as we look ahead, if you're going to make those poor judgment calls, a critical time in our history, we just finished with the Vietnam era, getting back into another quagmire -- if you're looking ahead, and you're looking at someone who made that poor decision in 2002 to go into Iraq when there was no real evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- I know because I did my homework, and, so, that's an indication of how someone will perform in the future. And that's what's important.” Her "ooops, my bad" defense whenever it is brought up doesn't cut it either.
How many people you know whine about "the media" but are hard-wired to it 24/7?
How many people you know give you the impression they think for themselves even though they may be expelled from the media herd?
How many local hicks believe Sanders won the debate?
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Oct. 15 2015,8:19 pm |
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Stardust:
QUOTE How many people you know whine about "the media" but are hard-wired to it 24/7?
Drives me NUTS. The worst part is that so many people only consider certain news outlets to be "credible".- No matter how many times they've been busted lying, fabricating, spinning or omitting. And not everyone will even agree on which sources are "credible" . Ugh, "liberal bias" "liberal rag" "conservative kook station". Honestly, all the big media outlets lie and spin on a regular basis. Silver lining in it though, since some people get most of their news from alternative sites which are not "credible" to either side, we have to go directly to government websites to get and distribute the information. A lot more information on other things is discovered that way.
QUOTE How many people you know give you the impression they think for themselves even though they may be expelled from the media herd?
There's repercussions for stepping out of line. We also keep slipping further down the list in the World Press Freedom Index. I think this year we're #49.
QUOTE How many local hicks believe Sanders won the debate?
Sadly, I'm going to say, not many.
Read comment sections in all the big national news sites below pretty much any political article. Or the facebook accounts for CNN, and the other big national news sites. A lot of people making comments in support of Sanders, but a lot of people making comments that Hillary's going to be the winner and repeating MSM talking points. And sooo many people making comments "Go Blue!" or "Team Blue!" Very irritating. So many people making comments that Hillary is by far the best for foreign policy. That Chafee quote has come in quite handy since the debate.
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stardust14
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Posted on: Oct. 15 2015,10:36 pm |
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Admittedly I spend little time chasing media stories or links. It's a jungle out there! One must be an optimist to venture forth.
I do learn a few things from feeds on FB. Like the mood and thinking of average Americans. From that it can be deduced why America is what it is. Some hopeful signs, others not so.
After watching the Obama administration fail to prosecute Wallstreet crooks I swore to never vote Dem again. If Hillary is candidate I will adhere to that oath. With Bernie I will break that oath.
I've never attended a primary caucus. Have you? If so, what's it like? If it were tonight I would atend.
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