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Posted on: Sep. 27 2013,1:56 pm |
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Well, you know the libitards, if they don't like an amendment just reinterpret it.
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 27 2013,3:09 pm |
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(MADDOG @ Sep. 27 2013,1:34 pm)
QUOTE On the U.S. Senate's official left leaner site, if you click on the Constitution link, their comments on the Second Amendment are less than commendable. Everyone knows that the amendment reads: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. But the comments beside it are disturbing. QUOTE Whether this provision protects the individual's right to own firearms or whether it deals only with the collective right of the people to arm and maintain a militia has long been debated.
The only time this came into question was during the 1930's, and that is when the idiotic collective right was trumpeted out, and the reason behind that was the poorly written opinion from Miller v. US.
Before then it was UNDERSTOOD that the 2nd was the RIGHT of an individual.
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memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis
*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Self-Banished
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Posted on: Sep. 27 2013,6:48 pm |
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^ are you missing fingers?
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm |
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 27 2013,5:57 pm)
QUOTE
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,3:09 pm)
QUOTE Before then it was UNDERSTOOD that the 2nd was the RIGHT of an individual. Still is and will always be.. Nobody will ever take your gun in this country unless you break the law or a crook steals it from you.. Like SB says, we have 300 million guns in this country.. Should American citizens be allowed to own grenade launchers under the second amendment? The US says NO, the UN now says NO.. Hell, people hurt each other with fireworks..
You REALLY have NO clue on what authority the un or a treaty has, do you or how the process works. The un CANNOT dictate/enforce anything in the US, they lack the legal authority.
A treaty cannot supersede any Amendment in the Constitution, the un has ZERO authority in this country. A signed treaty by a president or someone appointed by a president, only indicates an expressed interest, and is in NO way binding on OUR country, and requires 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty as specified in Article II Section II.
Previous ratified treaties can be un-ratified by a Senate or from ONE State challenging a treaty.
Now on to your grenade launcher question. Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment. And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category.
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memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis
*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Sep. 28 2013,8:42 pm |
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 28 2013,3:22 am)
QUOTE I agree GD..
MD is a dumbass for thinking the UN has any say in the US..
Your clown avatar is a match.
No where did I say the U.N. has any say in the U. S. Constitution. Perhaps a few liberals would like to think so, but it doesn't matter.
The part of the letter that stated QUOTE As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law. The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent. As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.
The Senate has not nor will they likely do so. QUOTE Moreover, even after the Senate provides its advice and consent, certain treaties require changes to United States law in the form of legislation passed by both the House and Senate. The ATT is such a treaty. Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution.
There ain't a chance in h-e-double toothpick that this part will happen.
Obama knows this because in March, 53 senators voted to uphold the Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. Bambino in his notibly narsicistic manner, chose to go against the will of Congress and the people once again. President Obama has continued to execute executive orders directly violating the Constitution’s explicit prohibition on the infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.
More so. Most of us know it.
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alcitizens
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Posted on: Sep. 29 2013,10:06 pm |
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm)
QUOTE Now on to your grenade launcher question. Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment. And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category.
Its illegal to own a live hand grenade..
QUOTE Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There’s no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law’s provisions—non-military people may not possess them.
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 29 2013,11:53 pm |
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 29 2013,10:06 pm)
QUOTE
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm)
QUOTE Now on to your grenade launcher question. Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment. And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category. Its illegal to own a live hand grenade.. QUOTE Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There’s no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law’s provisions—non-military people may not possess them.
You said, "GRENADE LAUNCHER" Grenade launchers ARE legal to purchase and own. There are various projectiles that are legal to own, ie, dummy rounds, flares, etc.
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memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis
*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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