Forum: Opinion
Topic: Second Amendment
started by: MADDOG

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 24 2013,9:58 pm
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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



Perhaps the most important Amendment of our Constitution.  Why?  Without it, if someone (or body) ever decides to take your other freedoms away, how would you defend them?  Our founding fathers saw the need to protect the rights of citizens to bear arms to fight the tyranny of the Crown.  The right to bear arms is your right as a citizen to:

-defend yourself from home intruders
-help suppress any possible insurrection
-defend yourself from tyrannical government
-moral duty to help defend your country from invasion

There are no clauses to this amendment that limits an individual citizen to why he can arm himself, how he can arm himself or with what he can arm himself.  Whether a citizen chooses to arm himself with a handgun, long gun or both.  Nothing in the Constitution states that if an individual chooses to arm himself with a whole arsenal he will be denied.

So many groups have risen to try to take away this right.  Many political leftist want to take part or all of this right away from you.  They believe that  people as a whole will be safer.  Many liberals believe that the government will take care of them in any situations.  Much of our government wants to disarm citizens.  That's right, much of our present government wants to restrict and ban the citizen Most of which just say they just want to limit a few things.  Or that they need new additional laws.  That it's all the multiple-fire weapons that are harmful.  We'll just take a little.  You'll hardly notice.  We'll sneak around.  We'll come around to the back door when you're not watching close enough and only take small things you won't miss right away.  A little here, a little there.  By the time we get close enough to cleaning you out, there will be nothing you can do to oppose it.

Some would say that we should only have muskets.  Semi-automatics hadn't been invented so they can't mean them.  When the Constitutional Fathers wrote these Rights, they did not limit the colonists to lesser or inferior firearms to the British.  The British kept raising colonist's taxes.  The British enacted a ban on the import of gunpowder and arms to the colonies.  Hmmm?

Engstrom writes a six part story on guns.  Today is on regulations.  He writes that before a person can go buy a handgun or semi-automatic assault weapon, they first must stop at the Freeborn County Law Enforcement Center and fill out an application for a permit to purchase.  A first step towards national registration.  Not surprising for a libbie state.

Now our government wants to limit and ban some firearms from importation.  Obama has set up the groundwork for the ATF to ban the importation of ammo and gun parts of “designed for military use.”
< Importation of Defense Articles and Defense Services. >  The Bambino Administration has found out a way to have taxpayers fund anti-gun campaigns through EO by calling gun violence a “public health crisis.”  The government distorts statistics to gain support for anti gun movements.  [URL=http://www.examiner.com/article/blooming-idiot-bloomberg-at-it-again-with-maig-propaganda?cid=rss  ]Blooming Idiot.[/URL]

< Far from the actual numbers. >

Swift Boat Arnold has made it clear that the Godfather of Pennsylvania Avenue will sign the U. N. Arms Trade Treaty that will ban nearly every gun made for personal protection to be sold.  No matter how our legislative branches vote.  They have seen how this would go directly against the Constitution and have temporarily stopped this from happening.

It is the Second Amendment and only the Second Amendment that has the power to protect your enumerated rights as a citizen.  Each one of the Bill of Rights is important, but it is the second one that makes all the other ones possible.  The Bill of Rights must be protected from those who would choose to take them away.  The only way to defend these rights is by defending the Second Amendment.  Washington didn't cross the Delaware with a megaphone shouting “I have the right to express my opinion.”

Posted by sumpdump on Jun. 25 2013,6:03 am
If only the majority would believe, too many do not.
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 27 2013,3:24 pm
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it"
Thomas Jefferson

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 28 2013,7:39 pm
Did anyone read this clap trap editorial?
< Idiotic editorial >

Lets look at this a bit.
How in the world would making every private sale enforceable sans registration?  There is NO way this is enforceable, not to mention it does side on the unconstitutional part, as with NCIS checks could be viewed as unconstitutional.

It is already a federal felony to be engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms without having a federal dealer’s license.  It is already a crime for a federally licensed dealer to sell a gun without doing a background check–that’s all dealers, everywhere, whether at retail stores or gun shows.  Further, it is already a federal felony to sell, trade, give, lend, rent or transfer a gun to a person you know or should know is not legally allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm.

It is even a federal felony to submit false information on a background check form for the purpose of purchasing a firearm, though Vice President Biden does not think it’s worth the government’s time to prosecute these criminal acts.

Whether you like it or not, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms IS a protected Constitutional Right.  Time is not even a factor, nor should it be espoused with the tired time honor of the "well back then".  Using such is a logic fail and counters to the point that the author is grasping at straws to bolster some sort of reasoning or agreement.

The author of this fluff feel good BS, is naive and puts way to much stock in govt that sells weapons to cartels in the name of safety.

People like this author are sheep.

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 28 2013,10:17 pm
Yeah, I read it a little earlier but didn't have time to respond then.  I found that the puke paper bag was spinning Milan's comment from a few days ago.  
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There is no gun show loophole, Hart said. The media portray licensed firearms dealers as selling firearms at gun shows without background checks, he said, as though people are trading cash for guns.

“They know that’s a lie,” he said.

 He must be a fortune teller.  He called the rag on it before they wrote this trash.

As far as private sales requiring background checks.  You're right G.D., it can't be done.  Furthermore, if they were to put it in place, that trash judging SCOTUS would have to rule on it.  The only way to (nearly)know for sure that the government doesn't have information on a given firearm you might possess is IF you buy it private party.  It's come to a point that when you purchase a weapon, is the FFL you are buying it from turning their information over to the feds or not??  Have your Walmarts, Cabela's or Pro Shops been leaned on by the government already?

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Guns are too embedded in the American culture to attempt to ban them outright. We are a liberated people that settled frontiers, where handling guns was part of everyday living. And that tradition of hunting with guns and collecting them continues to this day.
 What, does the writer of this opinion think this is the frickin' wild west?  I hate to tell all the empty-headed ones here, but the Second Amendment was not framed into the Constitution for hunters and collectors.  :crazy:

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 01 2013,9:57 pm
Sounds like this sheriff is helping to protect the Second Amendment.  And from California at that.  Gotta wonder if Freeborn County's big brown boy would do anything similar, given the opportunity?

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EL DORADO COUNTY (CBS13) — The El Dorado County Sheriff says he’s not happy with the U.S. Forest Service, so he’s stripping them of their authority by keeping them from enforcing state law within the county.

Sheriff John D’Agostini is taking the unusual step of pulling the police powers from the federal agency because he says he has received “numerous, numerous complaints.”

In a letter obtained by CBS13, the sheriff informs the federal agency that its officers will no longer be able to enforce California state law anywhere in his county.

“I take the service that we provide to the citizens of El Dorado County and the visitors to El Dorado County very seriously, and the style and manner of service we provide,” D’Agostini said. “The U.S. Forest Service, after many attempts and given many opportunities, has failed to meet that standard.”

The sheriff won’t give specifics, but he says he’s concerned about the number of complaints his department’s received against the federal officers.

We asked law professor John Myers if the sheriff’s actions can supercede the feds.



“Looks to me as though the sheriff can do this,” he said. “They don’t have state powers in the first place, but essentially the sheriff can deputize individuals to have authority in his or her jurisdiction.”

The U.S. Forest Services wouldn’t comment beyond this statement:

“The U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement has not received this letter yet, but we have valued our partnership and good working relationship with the county over the years.”

But with limited resources and such a large area to patrol, some may be concerned that public safety may be compromised.

We asked the sheriff whether this will increase response times.

“It could be, but I doubt it.”

But the bottom line for campers is knowing someone will come when they call and report a crime.

D’Agostini’s order will go into effect on July 22, and for now, there’s no resolution in sight.

< Sheriff strips Forest Service >
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Complainants said the Federal officers showed particular interest in whether they were carrying guns. “They want to know what you’re doing here, where you’re going, do you have any firearms on board?” park visitor Cory Ward told CBS Sacramento. - See more at: < http://rtr.org/news...] >
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 30 2013,6:51 am
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Unable to get gun control legislation through Congress, the Obama administration announced two new executive actions Thursday – one to “close a loophole,” another to block importation of surplus military weapons.

The announcements come the same day that Vice President Joe Biden – who has spearheaded the administration’s anti-gun efforts since the school massacre in Newtown, Conn. in December — is set to do a ceremonial swearing-in of B. Todd Jones, who was confirmed by the Senate as the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.


< Obama Announces More Executive Actions on Guns >


Swearing-in of B. Todd Jones is not a good thing.  This guy is a looney gun control dragging left nut POS.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 30 2013,7:50 am
What's the "B" for, Bitch?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 30 2013,10:12 am
Majority of the ATF field agents and others cannot stand him either.  And yes they also call him a kook.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 30 2013,11:19 am
I think you boys need to go shoot a few rounds at the range to blow off steam.. :rofl:
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 30 2013,11:54 am
^ capital idea!  :rockon:

Very therapeutic.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 31 2013,6:41 am
This POS of a president has been infringing on the rights of gun owners for years now.  Many of our veterans who may have had a chance to own a gun similar to what they carried to protect our freedom, Bambino the great protector banned these a couple years ago.

< Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2013,10:35 am
So what's the CMP suppose to sell?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 31 2013,3:51 pm
Good lord, did anyone read this < tripe? >

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Alex Patrick Hernandez pleaded not guilty Thursday in Mower County District Court to second-degree assault with a dangerous weapon,


What makes a weapon dangerous?  How is an inanimate object inherently dangerous?  

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Investigators believe Hernandez fired an assault rifle

They believe?  Hypothesis is considered fact?  Was it really an assault rifle?  I highly doubt it.  99.99% it was a semi auto modern sporting rifle.

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Police arrested Hernandez after executing a search warrant on a vehicle on Aug. 19. According to the court complaint, an officer found six 7.62 x 39 mm cartridges in the car, the same size of bullets that matched three shell casings found at the scene and commonly used in an SKS assault rifle. The officer also found an extended magazine for those bullets in the trunk.


So the same sized bullets match the casings?  UMMM, WTF?  A bullet is the projectile that is seated in a casing, an unspent round is NOT a bullet.  What in blue banjo crossings is an extended magazine?  There is much more wrong with this quote, the writer needs to do a bit more research and learn, before throwing out blanket ignorant misinformation, if he doesn't know what in the frack he is talking about, he needs to omit this BS.

It is crappy, uneducated, misinformed crap like this, is the reason most people don't know or understand the different types of weapons, and will most likely take the writers word for it.

This article sucked, and the writer should feel bad.

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 13 2013,9:55 am
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< Colorado voters oust Democratic state senators over gun control >


Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:55am EDT

(Reuters) - Colorado voters ousted two Democratic lawmakers, including the state senate president, in a historic recall vote on Tuesday over their support for tougher gun control laws, handing a major victory to gun rights supporters.


These unconstitutionalists violated the Constitution, severed business ties and cost hard working Americans their lifetime jobs.  Served them right that the voters rid themselves of this pestilence.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 13 2013,1:29 pm
And now the libs are screaming voter suppression. :dunce:
Posted by irisheyes on Sep. 14 2013,8:32 pm
^Maybe some libs see it that way, I for one would not call what happened in Colorado voter suppression.

Voter suppression is more like when strategists and lawmakers try to prevent hundreds of thousands (or millions) from voting.  For example: poll taxes, litmus tests, and voter ID laws.   :popcorn:

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2013,9:06 pm

(irisheyes @ Sep. 14 2013,8:32 pm)
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^Maybe some libs see it that way, I for one would not call what happened in Colorado voter suppression.

Voter suppression is more like when strategists and lawmakers try to prevent hundreds of thousands (or millions) from voting.  For example: poll taxes, litmus tests, and voter ID laws.   :popcorn:

Oh heaven forbid someone have to show some ID to vote :sarcasm:
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2013,6:22 am

(MADDOG @ Sep. 13 2013,9:55 am)
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< Colorado voters oust Democratic state senators over gun control >


Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:55am EDT

(Reuters) - Colorado voters ousted two Democratic lawmakers, including the state senate president, in a historic recall vote on Tuesday over their support for tougher gun control laws, handing a major victory to gun rights supporters.


These unconstitutionalists violated the Constitution, severed business ties and cost hard working Americans their lifetime jobs.  Served them right that the voters rid themselves of this pestilence.

How does a recall election have anything to do with being unconstitutional?

The Supreme Court has said many times that gun control laws are constitutional..

Time to wake up and smell the chickens..

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2013,6:28 am

(Self-Banished @ Sep. 14 2013,9:06 pm)
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Oh heaven forbid someone have to show some ID to vote :sarcasm:

Republicans can't win legitimately so they choose to cheat..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 15 2013,7:00 am

(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,6:28 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 14 2013,9:06 pm)
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Oh heaven forbid someone have to show some ID to vote :sarcasm:

Republicans can't win legitimately so they choose to cheat..

So one is asked to...

Show an ID to get a library card, this is cheating

Show an ID to cash a check?

Board an airplane?

Sign a cellular contract?

Buy a car?

Start a job?

Rent an apartment?

Sign mortgage papers?

Etc.etc.etc...

This is cheating? :dunce:

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2013,2:38 pm
Over 200 years of voting without ID laws should make it pretty obvious to even people of your lower IQ realize that Republicans are cheating..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 15 2013,2:40 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,2:38 pm)
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Over 200 years of voting without ID laws should make it pretty obvious to even people of your lower IQ realize that Republicans are cheating..

As opposed to your superior intellect  :sarcasm:  :dunce:

Think of it like this...

A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. - Proverbs 22:3

Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 15 2013,4:12 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,2:38 pm)
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Over 200 years of voting without ID laws should make it pretty obvious to even people of your lower IQ realize that Republicans are cheating..

Over 20 years of never having to lock my door means I will never get robbed  :dunce:
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2013,11:56 pm

(Glad I Left @ Sep. 15 2013,4:12 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,2:38 pm)
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Over 200 years of voting without ID laws should make it pretty obvious to even people of your lower IQ realize that Republicans are cheating..

Over 20 years of never having to lock my door means I will never get robbed  :dunce:

Do you realize that your analogy describes how the Republicans are not only liars and cheats but they also choose to steal the votes that normally go to the Democrats..

After over 200 years without voter ID laws they now rob people of their right to vote.. Pretty sick..

Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 16 2013,3:46 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,11:56 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Sep. 15 2013,4:12 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,2:38 pm)
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Over 200 years of voting without ID laws should make it pretty obvious to even people of your lower IQ realize that Republicans are cheating..

Over 20 years of never having to lock my door means I will never get robbed  :dunce:

Do you realize that your analogy describes how the Republicans are not only liars and cheats but they also choose to steal the votes that normally go to the Democrats..

After over 200 years without voter ID laws they now rob people of their right to vote.. Pretty sick..

Both parties are liars and cheats, and if you think otherwise you are blind.
I am not sure how voter ID's disenfranchise one party vs the other.
Unless of course you mean that said group ONLY votes for one party.

I don't trust either party to play fairly.  I don't see what is the big deal with one (living) person one vote.
Contrary to what is being said, I don't think the cost is that burdensome.  Hell, we can pay for it by not giving a billion dollars to some middle east country that hates us anyway.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 16 2013,4:49 pm
Such laws have raised this very point: that they make it more difficult for certain subsections of the electorate, particularly young people, the elderly and minorities, to cast their ballot.

Read more: < http://www.politico.com/story...5vuE7ML >

The majority of young people and minorities vote Democrat..  :popcorn:

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 16 2013,6:27 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,4:49 pm)
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Such laws have raised this very point: that they make it more difficult for certain subsections of the electorate, particularly young people, the elderly and minorities, to cast their ballot.

Read more: < http://www.politico.com/story...5vuE7ML >

The majority of young people and minorities vote Democrat..  :popcorn:

Because they're young and ignorant,

Fresh of the boat, or still wet from the Rio Grande and are expecting a handout

Or they're a total moron like you :dunce:  :thumbsup:

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 25 2013,4:36 pm
< Maryland gun ban > goes into effect October 1st.

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None of the new laws have been as controversial as SB 281, the bill which brings some of the toughest firearm legislation in the country to the state of Maryland.

Firearm Safety Act 2013 banns 45 different semi-automatic handguns and rifles from sale and ownership in the state. Some examples of firearms that will no longer be permitted for sale either publically or privately after October 1 are the AR-15, AK-47 and the M1A.

The law also reduces the detachable magazine capacity that can be “manufactured, sold, purchased, received or transferred” in the state from 20 down to 10.

Hunting rifles and shotguns are not affected by the 2013 law, but handguns are.

Only handguns on Maryland’s official handgun resister will be allowed sold in the state and private sales of “regulated firearms” will be illegal.

The law also reduces the detachable magazine capacity that can be “manufactured, sold, purchased, received or transferred” in the state from 20 down to 10.

Hunting rifles and shotguns are not affected by the 2013 law, but handguns are.

Only handguns on Maryland’s official handgun resister will be allowed sold in the state and private sales of “regulated firearms” will be illegal.


Next week American citizens in Maryland will be required give fingerprints to purchase a gun but not < marijuana >.


< Record Gun Sales in Maryland as Tyrannical Law Looms >

Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 26 2013,7:32 am
I see nothing wrong with a voter ID! All it means is a lot of cemertries in dakota, Hennipen co. couldnt vote. More people voted in those co. than whats reg. to vote
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 26 2013,9:15 am
Jon Gibson, of rural Lake Lincolndale, about 50 miles north
of New York City, told FoxNews.com he set up a hunting
field camera near the sign, which reads "Protect the
Second Amendment," and features the silhouette of an
assault rifle, after two mysteriously vanished. A third sign
disappeared before the camera finally captured the sign
stealer.

< camera catches culprit >

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 26 2013,9:24 am

(MADDOG @ Sep. 26 2013,9:15 am)
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Jon Gibson, of rural Lake Lincolndale, about 50 miles north
of New York City, told FoxNews.com he set up a hunting
field camera near the sign, which reads "Protect the
Second Amendment," and features the silhouette of an
assault rifle, after two mysteriously vanished. A third sign
disappeared before the camera finally captured the sign
stealer.

< camera catches culprit >

C'mon 'Dog, this is from FOX news, it can't be true :sarcasm: The images are obviously photoshopped :sarcasm:
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 26 2013,11:04 am
Sorry, SB.  I couldn't find a legitimate media source like MSNBC who covered it, but...  :rofl:
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 26 2013,11:50 am

(MADDOG @ Sep. 26 2013,11:04 am)
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Sorry, SB.  I couldn't find a legitimate media source like MSNBC who covered it, but...  :rofl:

Careful how you use that word "legitimate" :laugh:
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 26 2013,12:12 pm
Senate Foreign Relations Committee ranking member Senator Robert Corker on Tuesday September 24 sent a letter to president don Bambino warning him of signing any ATT with the U.N.

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Dear President Obama,

It is my understanding that Secretary of State John Kerry will sign the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on behalf of the United States.  The ATT raises significant legislative and constitutional questions.  Any act to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, before the Congress provides its advice and consent would be inconsistent with the United States Constitution, law, and practice.

As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law.  The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent.  As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.

Moreover, even after the Senate provides its advice and consent, certain treaties require changes to United States law in the form of legislation passed by both the House and Senate.  The ATT is such a treaty.  Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution.

Because of the concerns discussed above, as well as the fundamental issues the ATT raises with respect to the individual rights protected by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, as the Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, it is my view that you may not take any executive action to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, unless and until: (1) the United States Senate has provided its constitutionally required advice and consent to its ratification; and (2) the Congress has passed any and all required legislation to bring this treaty into effect under United States domestic law.

Sincerely,

Senator Bob Corker
Ranking Member

< http://www.foreign.senate.gov/ >


As I stated, that was September 24th.

Wednesday morning, SOS Kerry, on behalf of Bambino, signed the U. N. Arms Trade Treaty.

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On Monday, a source inside the State Department alerted The New American that Secretary Kerry would commit this act of treason. What’s more, we were told that key members of the Senate were informed Tuesday that Kerry intended to sign the treaty and that the reaction from senators was one of disinterest.

In fairness, a few senators have spoken out today (Wednesday), warning President Obama not to try to bypass the Senate in his fervor to enforce the terms of this globalist gun grab.

Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, sent the president a letter reminding him that:

As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law.  The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent.  As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.

President Obama knows this and he also knows that in March, 53 senators voted “to uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”

Americans know something, too. They know that this administration has never failed to use every murderous act of armed violence as a pretext for tyranny. From Newtown to the Navy Yard, President Obama has issued scores of executive orders directly violating the Constitution’s explicit prohibition on the infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

John Kerry’s signing of the Arms Trade Treaty demonstrates that he and his boss will continue along this treasonous trajectory until control of all weapons and ammunition is consolidated into the UN and its client governments.

< Kerry Signs UN Arms Trade Treaty — Civilian Disarmament Advancing >

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 26 2013,1:40 pm
300 million firearms in the US
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 26 2013,5:12 pm
..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 26 2013,6:25 pm
^ :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 26 2013,6:44 pm

(pepi-lapew @ Sep. 26 2013,7:32 am)
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I see nothing wrong with a voter ID! All it means is a lot of cemertries in dakota, Hennipen co. couldnt vote. More people voted in those co. than whats reg. to vote

Wait a minute.  Can you verify this?  I get the impression from the local tree huggers that there isn't one case of voter fraud in the state, let alone the country.   :dunno:
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 27 2013,1:34 pm
On the U.S. Senate's official left leaner site, if you click on the Constitution link, their comments on the < Second Amendment > are less than commendable.

Everyone knows that the amendment reads: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

But the comments beside it are disturbing.

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Whether this provision protects the individual's right to own firearms or whether it deals only with the collective right of the people to arm and maintain a militia has long been debated.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 27 2013,1:56 pm
Well, you know the libitards, if they don't like an amendment just reinterpret it.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 27 2013,3:09 pm

(MADDOG @ Sep. 27 2013,1:34 pm)
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On the U.S. Senate's official left leaner site, if you click on the Constitution link, their comments on the < Second Amendment > are less than commendable.

Everyone knows that the amendment reads: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

But the comments beside it are disturbing.

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Whether this provision protects the individual's right to own firearms or whether it deals only with the collective right of the people to arm and maintain a militia has long been debated.

The only time this came into question was during the 1930's, and that is when the idiotic collective right was trumpeted out, and the reason behind that was the poorly written opinion from Miller v. US.
Before then it was UNDERSTOOD that the 2nd was the RIGHT of an individual.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 27 2013,5:57 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,3:09 pm)
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Before then it was UNDERSTOOD that the 2nd was the RIGHT of an individual.

Still is and will always be..

Nobody will ever take your gun in this country unless you break the law or a crook steals it from you..

Like SB says, we have 300 million guns in this country..

Should American citizens be allowed to own grenade launchers under the second amendment? The US says NO, the UN now says NO..

Hell, people hurt each other with fireworks..

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 27 2013,6:48 pm
^ are you missing fingers?
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 27 2013,7:23 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 27 2013,5:57 pm)
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Should American citizens be allowed to own grenade launchers under the second amendment? The US says NO, the UN now says NO..

Who give a flying F what the UN says.  They have no jurisdiction here.  And IMO we should leave the worthless POS.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 27 2013,5:57 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,3:09 pm)
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Before then it was UNDERSTOOD that the 2nd was the RIGHT of an individual.

Still is and will always be..

Nobody will ever take your gun in this country unless you break the law or a crook steals it from you..

Like SB says, we have 300 million guns in this country..

Should American citizens be allowed to own grenade launchers under the second amendment? The US says NO, the UN now says NO..

Hell, people hurt each other with fireworks..

You REALLY have NO clue on what authority the un or a treaty has, do you or how the process works.  The un CANNOT dictate/enforce anything in the US, they lack the legal authority.

A treaty cannot supersede any Amendment in the Constitution, the un has ZERO authority in this country.  A signed treaty by a president or someone appointed by a president, only indicates an expressed interest, and is in NO way binding on OUR country, and requires 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty as specified in Article II Section II.  

Previous ratified treaties can be un-ratified by a Senate or from ONE State challenging a treaty.

Now on to your grenade launcher question.  Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment.  And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 28 2013,3:22 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm)
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You REALLY have NO clue on what authority the un or a treaty has, do you or how the process works.  The un CANNOT dictate/enforce anything in the US, they lack the legal authority.

A treaty cannot supersede any Amendment in the Constitution, the un has ZERO authority in this country.  A signed treaty by a president or someone appointed by a president, only indicates an expressed interest, and is in NO way binding on OUR country, and requires 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty as specified in Article II Section II.  

Previous ratified treaties can be un-ratified by a Senate or from ONE State challenging a treaty.

Now on to your grenade launcher question.  Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment.  And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category.

I agree GD..

MD is a dumbass for thinking the UN has any say in the US..

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 28 2013,8:42 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 28 2013,3:22 am)
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I agree GD..

MD is a dumbass for thinking the UN has any say in the US..

Your clown avatar is a match.

No where did I say the U.N. has any say in the U. S. Constitution.  Perhaps a few liberals would like to think so, but it doesn't matter.  

The part of the letter that stated
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As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law.  The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent.  As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.


The Senate has not nor will they likely do so.  
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Moreover, even after the Senate provides its advice and consent, certain treaties require changes to United States law in the form of legislation passed by both the House and Senate.  The ATT is such a treaty.  Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution.
There ain't a chance in h-e-double toothpick that this part will happen.

Obama knows this because in March, 53 senators voted to uphold the Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.  Bambino in his notibly narsicistic manner, chose to go against the will of Congress and the people once again.  President Obama has continued to  execute executive orders directly violating the Constitution’s explicit prohibition on the infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

More so.  Most of us know it.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 29 2013,10:06 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm)
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Now on to your grenade launcher question.  Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment.  And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category.

Its illegal to own a live hand grenade..

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Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There’s no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law’s provisions—non-military people may not possess them.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 29 2013,11:53 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 29 2013,10:06 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 27 2013,9:58 pm)
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Now on to your grenade launcher question.  Yes a grenade launcher would be covered under the 2nd Amendment.  And yes it is legal to own grenade launchers and requires an ATF tax stamp, as it falls under the destructive device category.

Its illegal to own a live hand grenade..

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Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There’s no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law’s provisions—non-military people may not possess them.

You said, "GRENADE LAUNCHER"  Grenade launchers ARE legal to purchase and own.  There are various projectiles that are legal to own, ie, dummy rounds, flares, etc.
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 02 2013,3:08 am

(Glad I Left @ Sep. 27 2013,7:23 pm)
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Who give a flying F what the UN says.  They have no jurisdiction here.  And IMO we should leave the worthless POS.

Why does your buddy Maddog have a problem with the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty? :crazy:
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 02 2013,8:31 am
Not sure why he's 'my buddy' all of a sudden. and I don't know, why don't you ask him?
I have a problem with any treaty designed by a corrupt organization.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 02 2013,8:41 am
I guess alki and the page both flipped.  I thought I responded to his U.N. accusation in post 48.  But then posting around 3:00am may have something to do about it.   :dunno:
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 02 2013,7:34 pm

(MADDOG @ Sep. 28 2013,8:42 pm)
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53 senators voted to uphold the Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.

How's that workin for ya? :rofl:

I'm pretty sure the United States has signed onto the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty..

Uphold Second Amendment rights?
How do you vote to uphold the second amendment of the U.S. Constitution? :dunce:

We will always have the RIGHT to BEAR ARMS.. Always and Forever..

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 02 2013,7:46 pm
^so suddenly this progressive moron is a gun rights advocate?
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 02 2013,8:19 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 02 2013,7:46 pm)
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^so suddenly this progressive moron is a gun rights advocate?

I hope you have plenty of guns and ammo because if Republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling, I'm sure it will be open season on Radical Right-Wing Republican Kooks.. :rofl:  :sarcasm:
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 02 2013,8:54 pm
based on what info?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 03 2013,4:26 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 02 2013,8:19 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 02 2013,7:46 pm)
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^so suddenly this progressive moron is a gun rights advocate?

I hope you have plenty of guns and ammo because if Republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling, I'm sure it will be open season on Radical Right-Wing Republican Kooks.. :rofl:  :sarcasm:

Lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident. :finger:
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 03 2013,4:06 pm
What do I need guns for?  I have Homeland Security to protect me.  They have lots of bullets.  :sarcasm:
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 04 2013,5:58 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 03 2013,4:26 am)
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[/quote]
Lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident. :finger:

Sorry to hear about your accident..

At least you don't have to worry about the government taking away your guns like MD obsesses about.. :crazy:  :sarcasm:

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 24 2013,5:03 pm
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< MILLER: Supreme Court to decide if buying a gun for a lawful person is a ‘straw purchase’ >

The Supreme Court decided Tuesday to hear the case of a Virginia man who bought a gun for his uncle and was then convicted of committing a “straw purchase.” The high court will determine whether it is a crime to buy a gun with the intent to resell to another lawful person.

Arguments for Abramski v. United States will take place in January.  Bruce Abramski, a retired police officer, bought a handgun for his elderly uncle because he could get it at discount as former law enforcement. Mr. Abramski checked the box on the federal background check form that said he was the “actual buyer.”

Under federal law, handgun sales across state lines have to go through a federal firearms licensee. So, after buying the firearm in Virginia, Mr. Abramski drove to gun store in his uncle’s hometown in Pennsylvania. His uncle filled out the federal background check forms, paid fees and the transfer was approved.

However, ATF pursued the case against Mr. Abramski for saying he was the “actual buyer” in the original sale.  

The federal law on “straw purchases” is intended to stop a criminal from having someone who is not a felon, drug user or other miscreant that would get blocked on an FBI background check to buy a gun for him. The buyer, or “straw man,” could then be charged with perjury for lying about the identity of the of the actual purchaser.

The issue in the Abramski case is whether this should apply when a lawful person buys a gun for someone who is legally allowed to own a firearm.

The case could affect future rulings on so-called universal background checks, which requires government approval for private exchanges of firearms. President Obama has pushed to make this a federal law, but he was unable to get enough votes in the Senate to pass it this year. Several states like Colorado and New York are being sued for this same requirement.

Second Amendment groups warn that “universal background checks” are really intended to create a national gun registry so the government knows who owns every gun in the U.S.

So the ATF can harass a lawful gun owner while they smuggle thousands of firearms to drug cartels.

The POSATF hasn't gotten any better since Jones took over.  But then I hardly think that gunowners expected it to.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 26 2013,5:50 am
You should buy more guns and bullets..
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2013,6:14 am
I just might :D
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 26 2013,8:03 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 26 2013,5:50 am)
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You should buy more guns and bullets..

Buying  more guns is the easy part (for now)
It is finding the ammo for it.  Even .22 rounds are impossible to find lately.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2013,8:36 am
^actually I've been seeing more major caliber stuff on the shelves. Still the .22 rounds are very elusive.
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 26 2013,9:53 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 26 2013,8:36 am)
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^actually I've been seeing more major caliber stuff on the shelves. Still the .22 rounds are very elusive.

I just bought 3 boxes of 9mm at Walmart..
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 26 2013,10:17 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 26 2013,8:36 am)
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^actually I've been seeing more major caliber stuff on the shelves. Still the .22 rounds are very elusive.

the stuff is around but you'll pay the price, CCI 22 long rifle is now $3.47 a box, before you teabaggers went into a frenzy and drove the price up a brick was $ 7.50, thanks a lot!

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2013,10:59 am
^do you actually read or think about what you post or does it just "plop" out like a large cow taking a sh!t
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 26 2013,3:56 pm
There’s no government conspiracy to buy up the ammo as you kooks have been led to believe!
You lemmings are hording and the manufacturers are profiteering at our expense!
thank Alex Jones, Limbaugh, Beck, and a host of nighttime AM whack jobs for panicking you fools.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2013,5:33 pm

(Expatriate @ Oct. 26 2013,3:56 pm)
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There’s no government conspiracy to buy up the ammo as you kooks have been led to believe!
You lemmings are hording and the manufacturers are profiteering at our expense!
thank Alex Jones, Limbaugh, Beck, and a host of nighttime AM whack jobs for panicking you fools.

Moo some more.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 27 2013,6:44 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 26 2013,9:53 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 26 2013,8:36 am)
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^actually I've been seeing more major caliber stuff on the shelves. Still the .22 rounds are very elusive.

I just bought 3 boxes of 9mm at Walmart..

Yep, pistol and some rifle cal. Are making their way back to the shelves. But the real reason there was a shortage is Americans taking a new interest in shooting and their right to keep and bear arms.

An example close to me is that I went to join a pistol league I used to compete in a few years ago last Feb.  A little Thursday nite gathering for ten weeks of anywhere from 20 to 25 shooters. To my surprise I could not get in because the volume of shooters had increased just this year to over 100. I looked at the list of people and there wasn't one name I recognized, wow!


Alky, I'm glad to see you excercise your 2nd amendment right

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 29 2013,4:50 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 27 2013,6:44 am)
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An example close to me is that I went to join a pistol league I used to compete in a few years ago last Feb.  A little Thursday nite gathering for ten weeks of anywhere from 20 to 25 shooters. To my surprise I could not get in because the volume of shooters had increased just this year to over 100. I looked at the list of people and there wasn't one name I recognized, wow!

You say more things to piss off Maddog more than anyone on this site.. :rofl:

THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS.. RISE UP AGAINST THOSE BASTARDS.. ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL.. E PLUIBUS UNUM.. DON'T TREAD ON ME..

:rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 29 2013,6:29 pm
Yep^ I'll bet I piss him off  :D  so are we gonna have meetings about this with secret handshakes and the like?

Oh! I know, we could have a hazing, you could bring your sheep!
And before Grassman has to remind you, don't forget the rubber boots!

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 29 2013,8:14 pm
Don't put on the Velcro gloves just yet, I'm calling PETA before any sheep lose their innocence.
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 29 2013,9:04 pm
lol
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2013,4:20 am

(irisheyes @ Oct. 29 2013,8:14 pm)
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Don't put on the Velcro gloves just yet, I'm calling PETA before any sheep lose their innocence.

The sheep belong to Alky,

You're too late :(

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 30 2013,12:07 pm
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2013,2:27 pm
^ jeezus kee-rist
Keep your porno to yourself :(

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2013,3:36 pm

(Expatriate @ Oct. 30 2013,12:07 pm)
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^^

Here, I fixed it for you
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 30 2013,8:22 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 27 2013,6:44 am)
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To my surprise I could not get in because the volume of shooters had increased just this year to over 100.

There was a rumor going around about "open season" on teabaggers.. The left was out practicing for the hunt and the right was out preparing to be hunted.. :D

Please keep your farmyard dating to yourself.. :p

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2013,8:56 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 30 2013,8:22 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 27 2013,6:44 am)
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To my surprise I could not get in because the volume of shooters had increased just this year to over 100.

There was a rumor going around about "open season" on teabaggers.. The left was out practicing for the hunt and the right was out preparing to be hunted.. :D

Please keep your farmyard dating to yourself.. :p

Thought you folks were too "limp wristed" to hold a gun.
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 30 2013,9:31 pm
I never hurt my wrist but my trigger finger hurt after about 10 shots with a .44 caliber pistol..
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 30 2013,10:01 pm
QUOTE
Doctor, it hurts when I do that.

He said then don't do that.  :D




It's possible you aren't maintaining proper control completely through the recoil.  Have someone observe to see if you relax your grip before the recoil is complete.  If that isn't the problem, see a gunsmith about the trigger pull.  You know what we mean when we say gun control.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 30 2013,11:14 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 30 2013,10:01 pm)
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It's possible you aren't maintaining proper control completely through the recoil.  Have someone observe to see if you relax your grip before the recoil is complete.  If that isn't the problem, see a gunsmith about the trigger pull.  You know what we mean when we say gun control.

Can't say I have practiced much with a .44 cal. Thanks for the pointer on gun control.. :sarcasm:  

If I relaxed my grip, I feel I wouldn't have any teeth afterwards..

I'll stick with my Glock 9mm..  :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2013,3:57 am
^wow, a redeeming quality, he shoots a glock.

Just remember to "isolate" your trigger finger.

And I don't mean like this

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2013,4:02 am
May I suggest this as your next handgun purchase...
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2013,8:01 am
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 But the real reason there was a shortage is Americans taking a new interest in shooting and their right to keep and bear arms

But the kooks said that Obama was buying all the ammo in the country to arm his DHS army so they could lock you all up in FEMA camps. Next thing you'll be telling us is that Obama isn't training Russians soldiers to oppress Americans, that there isn't millions of FEMA coffins ready for this stuff, and 9/11 was carried out by Muslim extremists.. :sarcasm:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2013,10:06 am
Don't kid yourself. It's a contributing factor.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2013,10:17 am
You should take that up with self banished, he's the one that said the real reason for the shortage was caused by Americans developing a new interest in shooting.  :crazy:
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2013,11:18 am
^ c-o-n-t-r-i-b-u-t-i-n-g, understand the word? Means to add to.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 22 2013,3:43 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 31 2013,8:01 am)
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QUOTE


 But the real reason there was a shortage is Americans taking a new interest in shooting and their right to keep and bear arms

But the kooks said that Obama was buying all the ammo in the country to arm his DHS army so they could lock you all up in FEMA camps. Next thing you'll be telling us is that Obama isn't training Russians soldiers to oppress Americans, that there isn't millions of FEMA coffins ready for this stuff, and 9/11 was carried out by Muslim extremists.. :sarcasm:

I don't know who the kooks are you refer to, but DHS has been buying up ammo in the millions of rounds.  And buying rounds banned by NATO.  So they use HPs at a rate of 1300-1600 rounds per person?  

I understand though that the best U.S. gun salesman has driven gun sales through the roof since he was elected resident of the White House.  That does create more people needing ammo.  Perhaps citizens are stocking up in case of an invasion from within?

More and more Americans are chosing to own and carry.


Posted by Liberal on Nov. 23 2013,9:46 am
You don't know who the kooks are?  :rofl:
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 23 2013,7:49 pm

(Liberal @ Nov. 23 2013,9:46 am)
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You don't know who the kooks are?  :rofl:

"What difference does it make at this point..
"Let's just pass this thing so we can see what's in it
Nuclear option: I'm against it...but NOW I'm for it
"You can keep your insurance..you can keep your doctor
Holder fast & furious... I didn't get that memo!!

Yea...its clear...we know who the kooks are :rofl:

Like Obama in Hawaii calling it Asia !
Or his comment on fallen soldiers & happy to see so many in the audience :crazy:  and handing out medal to corpse man!!!
Yea...kook is good word!!!

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 29 2013,9:48 am
Preserving a Constitutional right ain't easy, but in Colorado the liberal gun grabbers are continuing to run.  Run like whiney dogs removing the people of Colorado's rights.  Tuck your tail and run!

QUOTE
< Hudak resigns seat to end recall threat, hold Democrats’ Senate majority >

DENVER — State Sen. Evie Hudak has decided to resign rather than risk facing a recall election that, should she lose, would flip control of the senate to Republicans, FOX31 Denver was first to report Wednesday.

Later Wednesday morning, Hudak made her resignation letter public.

“In the interest of preserving the progress made over the last year, I am resigning as State Senator for District 19, effective immediately,” Hudak wrote.

Hudak, D-Westminster, could have been the third Democratic lawmaker to face a recall over a package of gun control bills they helped pass earlier this year.

Sens. John Morse, D-Colorado Springs, and Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, both decided to fight recall elections against them, but were ousted in September in favor of Republican replacements.

Knowing that Morse and Giron lost every legal challenge in the run-up to those elections, Hudak and Democrats generally appear to recognize the likelihood of the third recall’s success — as long as the group of gun rights activists behind the recall effort got enough signatures to put it on the ballot.

Hudak’s decision, finalized Tuesday after days of conversations with top Democrats including Senate President Morgan Carroll, is a gamble of sorts.

Like a poker player folding early, she’s decided to give up her job before recall organizers showed their hand and turned in any signatures, even knowing that more than 19,000 valid signatures — more than double the amount needed to get Morse’s recall on the ballot — are needed to force a special recall election.



Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 29 2013,10:26 am
But, but, but wouldn't that mean the "kooks" have won? :sarcasm:
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 29 2013,2:11 pm
It means they better be scared as h-e double toothpicks at the mid term elections.

After State Senators John Morse and Angela Giron were “unelected” due to their controversial gun control votes by a bunch of rag-tag plumbers, oil riggers and gun lovin' citizen who had never played a part in an election campaign before and were sucessful in the first recall election in Colorado state history ousting the two most powerful democrats in the state.  On top of that, Morse and Giron were backed by DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman; Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG); President Obama’s Organizing for Action (OFA); and even Bill Clinton.

They may have "won" by her resigning so as not to lose the State Senate to republicans, but they are running.

RUN FOREST RUN!

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2013,7:32 am
Wow, look at the sign up for obamascare

< http://theweek.com/article...o-panic > :blush:

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2013,7:36 am
^ then there's back ground checks for firearms

< http://www.examiner.com/article...cid=rss >

It appears that more and more folks are purchasing firearms

Any thoughts as to "why"?

Posted by Liberal on Dec. 01 2013,2:27 pm
I don't know, why would people buy guns when the government is buying up all the ammo according to our resident kooks.
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 07 2014,12:01 pm
They said they would do it.  Now they are following through with it.
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< Colorado Dems blamed for $80M punch to gut > with Magpul pulling up stakes

Thanks to the gun control blitzkrieg led by Democratic lawmakers last year, Colorado is about to take a hit in the wallet in the midst of an already anemic economy, and lose hundreds of private-sector jobs at a time when they can least afford it.

You can’t say no one was warned. Popular gun accessory manufacturer Magpul Industries told the legislature they’d be pulling up stakes if the lawmaker went through with their gun control scheme. And it wasn’t bluffing. Operations will now be divided between Wyoming and Texas.

But what that means for the state is an annual $80 million punch to the gut and 200 jobs moved out-of-state

A year ago, the rapidly expanding firm was preparing to build a state-of-the-art facility in Broomfield, but pivoted after the gun-control bills gained steam. Magpul was founded in 1999 by CEO Richard Fitzpatrick in the basement of his home in Longmont, Colo.

“I am saddened to see this completely partisan law, widely considered unenforceable by sheriffs across Colorado, cause Magpul to leave our state,” Rep. Lori Saine said on the Colorado House GOP website.

The bill deeply divided lawmakers along party lines.

“The magazine ban did not garner one Republican vote in the House or Senate, and now as a result of this one-sided, Democrat sponsored law, more than 200 people will lose their jobs and their ability to provide for their families. Additionally, the move will cost the state of Colorado over $80 million dollars a year in revenue,” Saine said on the same site.

Following the vote, two Democratic state senators lost their seats in recall elections held in September — Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron. Smelling blood after the success of that effort, another recall effort was aimed squarely at Sen. Evie Hudak. She resigned, however, a week before recall petitions were planned to be submitted.

Democrats got what they wished for yesterday when Magpul Industries announced it would be leaving Colorado and taking over 200 jobs with them,”  

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 22 2014,10:44 am
Last month Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo told a public radio host he thought “extreme conservatives” who are “right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay,” have “no place in the state of New York.”


Earlier this week, Remington took his advise.  
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 High level sources have informed < Yellowhammer News > that Remington, one of the world’s largest gun manufacturers, will on Monday join Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley in announcing that they are bringing over 2,000 jobs to Alabama.

The company is viewing the move into Alabama as an expansion, but it will likely impact their Ilion, NY plant as well. The New York facility currently employees around 1,200 people. It is expected to stay open, but with a reduced workforce.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 22 2014,11:00 am
^^^ :rofl:
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 19 2014,12:27 pm
Put up or shut your trap.
QUOTE

Contact: Rich Burgess
Connecticut Carry
203.208.9577
rich@ctcarry.com
Connecticut Carry
Press Release

To Officials of the State of Connecticut: Either Enforce or Repeal 2013 Anti-gun Laws.

It’s time for the State to enforce the tyranny they passed or repeal it entirely.

Rocky Hill CT, March 3, 2014:

A recent media tidal wave based on false reports and bad journalism has proven a few things about the 2013 Gun Ban: people from Connecticut and around the nation are tired of being threatened; are ready to make a stand; and the State of Connecticut does not have the stomach to enforce the edicts and laws with which they threaten gun owners.
For years, Undersecretary Michael Lawlor, the upper levels of the State Police, and Governor Dannel Malloy have sought to disarm those whom they fear. The laws they passed show that they fear constitutionally and lawfully armed citizens. Despite thousands of gun owners showing up at each legislative session expecting to be heard by their ‘representatives’, government officials seized upon public panic related to the Newtown Massacre, as a means to exert legislative and executive fiats intent upon disarming gun owners who have harmed no one. The Connecticut Executive and Legislative branches showed their cowardice when they installed metal detectors and armed guards at the entrances to the Legislative Office Building (LOB) only for firearms-related hearings.
Gun hating officials now have their laws on the books in Connecticut. They dreamed up those laws, in their tyrannical dystopias, but it was NOT the majority of the public that supported such laws. Despite all the severe legal language that the government passed, there is still no open discussion of enforcing those tyrannical laws, as they stand. Throughout the Legislature and the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection (DESPP), there is only talk of "amnesty" and possibly boiling the frog at a slower rate.
It comes as no surprise that the talks of relaxing enforcement expectations go along with legislators trying to get past their re-election deadlines. If the anti-gun laws they passed are so good for everyone in this state, then why are elected officials requesting increased security, both at the LOB and at their private homes? The anti-gun legislators and officials are scared to implement their tyranny because they know that they did not have any sort of ‘consent of the governed’. Those officials violated their oaths of office, as the Executive and Legislative branches of our Connecticut government overstepped their moral and constitutional responsibilities by passing those laws: they acted and voted contrary to our Rights and against our Constitution.

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 19 2014,1:21 pm
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< Connecticut gun owners revolt >
The first article of the Connecticut Constitution couldn’t be more clear. “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state,” it says.

Busybodies at the Capitol in Hartford decided that “every” doesn’t really mean every, and it banned the semi-automatic rifles that would be most useful in defense of the state. As of Jan. 1, owners of arms that have a menacing appearance had to submit registration paperwork to the state.

Only about 50,000 did so. There’s no way to know how many “assault rifles” remain unregistered, but the best guess is that the new “gun safety” law instantly created 300,000 felons.


QUOTE
Faced with 300,000 potential offenders, officials must decide whether to ignore the new law, or enforce it by sending SWAT teams to raid the homes of anyone suspected of owning the most popular rifle in America, the AR-15.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 19 2014,1:24 pm
I feel this will come to a very bad end.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 19 2014,1:41 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 19 2014,1:24 pm)
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I feel this will come to a very bad end.

< Botched Paramilitary Police Raids >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 19 2014,1:46 pm
^^^sure a a lot of blue and purple ones :(
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 26 2014,5:40 pm
It seems your boy is such a POS, that the very Constitution he swore an oath to has utter disdain for the 2nd Amendment.
Why would any self respecting MN'er vote for such a loser POS?

Hope y'all throw out him out in Nov.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 27 2014,2:44 am
^^^unfortunatly his district is largely NE Mpls. Land of allah, streets filled with women with head scarfs who drive slow with cell phones stuck in their ears.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 27 2014,6:51 am
I've seen it.  That demographic is in serious need of remedial drivers training.  Someone's going to get killed.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 27 2014,10:01 am
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< Superintendent Refuses to Remove Workbook With Outrageous Definition of Second Amendment >

The workbook, currently being utilized by seventh-graders at Grant Middle School in Springfield, Ill., teaches students that the Second Amendment gives people the “right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison.”

Superintendent Bob Hill told 970 WMAY that the workbook is not the only resource that provides a definition of the Second Amendment and argued that the interpretation found in the material teaches students “what happens with the right to bear arms in the context of 2014.”

He argued that “no place in the book does it portray that that is the Second Amendment — it’s a study guide summary of the Second Amendment and the impact of the Second Amendment on the lives of people today.”


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The full “definition” of the Second Amendment found in the workbook states:

This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison. The founding fathers included this amendment to prevent the United States from acting like the British who had tried to take weapons away from the colonists.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 27 2014,12:43 pm

(Common Citizen @ Mar. 27 2014,6:51 am)
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I've seen it.  That demographic is in serious need of remedial drivers training.  Someone's going to get killed.

I'd believe it.  But then again seeing as how some are covered in a bed sheet with only a slit to see through, no wonder they suck at driving.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 28 2014,4:21 am
< http://www.news10.net/story...6908957 >


Silly Dems, guns are for neocons :blush:

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 01 2014,11:07 am
Today additional repression starts with the latest round of new Connecticut gun laws take effect.  Now any person  wanting to buy a long gun will need the blessing of the state police.

To purchase a shotgun or rifle, residences must either have a permit to carry or obtain a new long gun eligibility certificate from the Connecticut State Police. (police state) The fee for this permit is $35.00 (oppressive tax) and must be renewed every five years.  If you wish to purchase just ammo, you need a Ammunition Eligibility Certificate.’

You must complete a Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection-approved firearms training course before eligibility.

And you must submit your fingerprints with application to both state and federal officials at a cost of $50.00 and $16.50.  Then the State Police Commissioner has 60 to decide if a citizen of the United States is worthy of obtaining a firearm.

It will be interesting to see how long before a revolt occurs because of this draconian efforts of anti-gun lobbyists.

Larry Keane, National Shooting Sports Foundation senior vice president and general counsel to Guns.com on Friday said, "We urge all Connecticut gun owners to comply with this law that infringes upon their Second Amendment rights and will do nothing to help make our communities safer as it is ignored by criminals; we also urge all the states gun owners to be sure they are registered to vote and that they make their feelings known on Election Day this November.”


Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2014,2:15 pm
Then on the other hand we have this,

< http://www.tampabay.com/news...2172644 >

More and more this country becomes polarized.

Posted by grassman on Apr. 02 2014,4:56 am

(MADDOG @ Apr. 01 2014,11:07 am)
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Today additional repression starts with the latest round of new Connecticut gun laws take effect.  Now any person  wanting to buy a long gun will need the blessing of the state police.

To purchase a shotgun or rifle, residences must either have a permit to carry or obtain a new long gun eligibility certificate from the Connecticut State Police. (police state) The fee for this permit is $35.00 (oppressive tax) and must be renewed every five years.  If you wish to purchase just ammo, you need a Ammunition Eligibility Certificate.’

You must complete a Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection-approved firearms training course before eligibility.

And you must submit your fingerprints with application to both state and federal officials at a cost of $50.00 and $16.50.  Then the State Police Commissioner has 60 to decide if a citizen of the United States is worthy of obtaining a firearm.

It will be interesting to see how long before a revolt occurs because of this draconian efforts of anti-gun lobbyists.

Larry Keane, National Shooting Sports Foundation senior vice president and general counsel to Guns.com on Friday said, "We urge all Connecticut gun owners to comply with this law that infringes upon their Second Amendment rights and will do nothing to help make our communities safer as it is ignored by criminals; we also urge all the states gun owners to be sure they are registered to vote and that they make their feelings known on Election Day this November.”


This appears to be somthing at the state level, the people of that state need to take their legislators back. :thumbsup:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 02 2014,5:15 am
^^like Colorado :thumbsup:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 02 2014,5:35 am
Bye-bye Piers.

< http://o.dailycaller.com/all...-laws#1 >

Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 03 2014,7:41 am
Piers stance on guns is too far fetched for most lefties, but I've watched a couple of the Piers Morgan vs. Ted Nugent videos and they're entertaining.  They both make decent points now and then, but people like that would never make it as lawmakers themselves.  That's why they make good commentators though.   :thumbsup:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2014,8:32 am
What valid points does Morgan make? That all guns should be banned? That weaponry should only be in the hands of the military?

This twit needs to go away.

Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 03 2014,8:40 am
No, the topic of gun control is one of the rare issues we'll almost always agree on.  

I didn't say he made any good points in the video clip you posted.  I said that about the Piers vs. Nugent debates, I'll have to watch them again and tell you point by point if you'd like.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 03 2014,5:19 pm

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,8:32 am)
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This twit needs to go away.

both do
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2014,5:25 pm
^^^ don't forget this draft dodger too :D
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 03 2014,6:44 pm
Oh SB.  That's nothing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2014,7:13 pm

(MADDOG @ Apr. 03 2014,6:44 pm)
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Oh SB.  That's nothing.

Hey! I was being kind.

Wasn't his Purple Heart from a self-inflicted wound???

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Apr. 03 2014,7:46 pm

(Expatriate @ Apr. 03 2014,5:19 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,8:32 am)
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This twit needs to go away.

both do

Y'all do know that the Nuge lied in that High Times interview.  Yes?

The whole thing was a fabrication, he had a deferment.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 03 2014,9:05 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Apr. 03 2014,7:46 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Apr. 03 2014,5:19 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,8:32 am)
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This twit needs to go away.

both do

Y'all do know that the Nuge lied in that High Times interview.  Yes?

The whole thing was a fabrication, he had a deferment.

I’ll take your word for it that that Nugent is a liar, now perhaps you like to explain just how his selective service record goes from 1-A  to a 1-Y to a 4-F rating?
This guy was born in 48 he should have been in uniform just like the rest of US!

< http://message.snopes.com/politics/graphics/nugent.jpg >

Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 03 2014,9:19 pm
Let's talk about arming soldiers on conus military bases.  I have my opinions but would love to hear from the tree hugging libs that claim to have a better strategic mind than the Bush administration on 9/11...13 years later.  :cool:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Apr. 03 2014,9:43 pm
If I remember correctly, his 4F is due to the fact he is deaf in one ear.

Here is an excerpt from The Independent circa 2006.

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"He has the rage, but he doesn't have the war record. At 18, he was called up to serve in Vietnam. "In 1977 you gave an interview to High Times [the cannabis user's journal of record] where you claimed you defecated in your clothes to avoid the draft."

("I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up.")

"I never crap my pants to get out of the draft," says Nugent, good-naturedly.

"You also told them you took crystal meth [methamphetamine, the highly destabilizing drug sometimes described as poor man's crack] before the medical - as a result of which, and I quote: 'I got this big juicy 4F.'"

"Unbelievable. Meth," he replies, in a tone of deep sarcasm. "Yes, that's my drug of choice. You've got to realise that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up. I never did crystal meth. And I never pooped my pants."

"But you did dodge the draft." "I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College."



Take it for what it is, I was just pointing out that the crapping his pants bit, that often gets trotted out was all based on pure facetiousness and the often used snopes as if it were some authority on what is truthful or not, that is run by a husband / wife team with ZERO background in investigations and their sole source for their facts is trolling the internet.  Sorry but NO, snopes is a joke.

One lesson learned here kids, make up a lie bold enough and let it snowball like this one, it is hard to reign in and unroll that large ball of misinformation.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 03 2014,11:13 pm
So you’re saying snopes is posting a falsified Government Document,  your unsubstantiated teabagger defense of this slime Nugent makes you look the fool!
this turd is a draft dodger with a capital D.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Apr. 04 2014,6:25 am
Oh good lord expat.
The SS pic is correct, and was obtained through FOIA and snopes wasn't the first one to obtain it.

But I do question the validity of the info behind it from snopes.
snopes is a joke plain and simple.  

I read an article a few years ago on Ultimate Guitar that had linked to the brit piece The Independent, and Ted from the article and the questions the UG reporter asked of him in regards to this out of control made up story.  

Call me a fool, or any other name, I really do not care.
I never understood why people get so defensive when their opinion of a person is based on false info come crashing down and that they had been played.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2014,6:29 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 03 2014,11:13 pm)
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So you’re saying snopes is posting a falsified Government Document,  you’re unsubstantiated teabagger defense of this slime Nugent makes you look the fool!
this turd is a draft dodger with a capital D.

Does anybody really give a sh!t? :O
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 04 2014,9:31 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Apr. 04 2014,6:25 am)
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Oh good lord expat.
The SS pic is correct, and was obtained through FOIA and snopes wasn't the first one to obtain it.

But I do question the validity of the info behind it from snopes.
snopes is a joke plain and simple.  

I read an article a few years ago on Ultimate Guitar that had linked to the brit piece The Independent, and Ted from the article and the questions the UG reporter asked of him in regards to this out of control made up story.  

Call me a fool, or any other name, I really do not care.
I never understood why people get so defensive when their opinion of a person is based on false info come crashing down and that they had been played.

Snopes was used by Jim Hanson regularly, you guys took it as gospel when Hanson linked it to a post!

None the less looking at Nugent’s selective service record discredits your deferment claim.

Some how this guy went from 1-A to 4-F his physical was in 1969, same year I had two of these physicals,
believe me if you were breathing and had a heartbeat you were going to the Army.

Self-Banished quote:
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Does anybody really give a sh!t?


when a guy hasn’t got the balls to go himself ( Nugent ) but comes out and warmongers it really irks me!
Nugent actually insults those who had the balls to go by calling real soldiers hippies.


Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2014,10:17 am
With your opinion of Ted you must really hate Kerry. How does a guy do a get a Purple Heart for a hangnail?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 04 2014,10:46 am
Kerry had already did a Vietnam tour with the blue-water Navy he could have went back to the World and sat out the war but he volunteered for a tour with brown-water Navy. you don’t do that without balls!

If you’re talking about his opposition to the war after his discharge that’s his right to protest.

but you’re talking that swift boat political smear thing, that’s bought and paid for political bull.

Kerry posted his Military and Medical records

< http://web.archive.org/web...ttp >

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2014,2:18 pm
^^^ I had a friend who was assigned to a swiftboat in Vietnam, he thought Kerry was a liar.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 04 2014,2:36 pm
Remember your congressman Walz.  According to his website,
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Walz served overseas with his battalion in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.
 Yes, he was overseas during Enduring Freedom, but no where near any combat zone.

What kind of vet would allow Chris Matthews while on the show, to say he's a combat veteran and not correct Matthews?

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2014,4:03 pm
For Expat,
Posted by grassman on Apr. 04 2014,5:47 pm
^^^ Especially if you create them and don't serve in them. :clap:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2014,6:26 pm
^^^does this make one a better person if you serve?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 04 2014,6:35 pm

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 04 2014,6:26 pm)
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^^^does this make one a better person if you serve?

Ask Cheney? :p By the way, I don't think either one did.


Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2014,9:58 pm

(grassman @ Apr. 04 2014,6:35 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 04 2014,6:26 pm)
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^^^does this make one a better person if you serve?

Ask Cheney? :p By the way, I don't think either one did.


No, I'm asking you, does serving in the military make you a better person.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 05 2014,7:58 am
On the contrary, I believe they need to use better screening. We have all seen what the consequences can be of individuals who are not fit. That is neither here nor there for the point I was trying to make. Cheney did not serve yet he was whole heartily ready to throw our soldiers at an investment for himself and others under the disguise of terroristic threats. He is an opportunistic warmonger and nothing more.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 05 2014,10:59 am
So a dispatcher who has never drove a truck before has no right to do their job?
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 05 2014,11:31 am
Interesting on how few presidents we have had who never did military service.  Since the civil war there were:

Grover Cleveland  (D) Paid person $150 to take his place
William Taft ® Enlisted in Connecticut guard
Woodrow Wilson (D)
Warren Warding (.R)
Calvin Coolidge ®
Herbert Hoover -R
Franklin Roosevelt (D)
William Clinton (D) signed agreement
Barry Obamja (D)

Posted by grassman on Apr. 05 2014,12:50 pm

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 05 2014,10:59 am)
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So a dispatcher who has never drove a truck before has no right to do their job?

Yeah, that is what I meant. :p

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 05 2014,4:04 pm
^^^ in a very direct way this is what you're saying.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 06 2014,9:57 am
Cheney can't even go hunting without shooting someone in the face. :laugh:
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 16 2014,7:51 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Apr. 04 2014,6:25 am)
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Oh good lord expat.
The SS pic is correct, and was obtained through FOIA and snopes wasn't the first one to obtain it.

But I do question the validity of the info behind it from snopes.
snopes is a joke plain and simple.  

I read an article a few years ago on Ultimate Guitar that had linked to the brit piece The Independent, and Ted from the article and the questions the UG reporter asked of him in regards to this out of control made up story.  

Call me a fool, or any other name, I really do not care.

So the information and the selective service document on Snopes is accurate, but you still claim they're false because...   :dunno:

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I never understood why people get so defensive when their opinion of a person is based on false info come crashing down and that they had been played.

The facts speak for themselves on Nugent.  He can be a hawk if he wants, but when he claims to have crapped his pants and has a service record that used up half a dozen (seriously, six deferments) people are going to question which type of bird he is.

But he'll be happy to brag about "manning a 50", as long as it's just on a USO tour.   :D

Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 16 2014,4:07 pm

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 05 2014,10:59 am)
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So a dispatcher who has never drove a truck before has no right to do their job?

Apples and oranges. The dispatcher is not throwing the drivers into harm's way.

Or do you think that truckers and soldiers are the same thing..?  :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 16 2014,4:10 pm

(Botto 82 @ Apr. 16 2014,4:07 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 05 2014,10:59 am)
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So a dispatcher who has never drove a truck before has no right to do their job?

Apples and oranges. The dispatcher is not throwing the drivers into harm's way.

Or do you think that truckers and soldiers are the same thing..?  :dunce:

Not the point I was going for but I'll just concede this one
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 16 2014,7:17 pm
< Ares Armor >

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On April 12, 2014, from 2pm to 5pm, approximately 100 people rallied in Carlsbad, CA, on the corner of El Camino Real and Faraday, to protest the BATFE raid and confiscating computer files and client lists from ARES ARMOR.



Going against a court order, the BATFE went to a gun control friendly judge.  The ATF got what they wanted.  Their customer list.

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The United States District Court, Southern California District granted a temporary restraining order Tuesday against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives to stay a planned raid on an Oceanside gun parts supplier and seizing of its inventory and customer records. The planned action was due to the company providing the public with heretofore legal so-called “80 percent lower receivers,” unfinished gun parts that must be further processed by the purchasers in order to result in a legally-defined “firearm.”

The planned raid on Ares is part of an investigation that resulted in a raid on the receiver manufacturer, EP Armory, a story reported Monday by < St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner > Kurt Hofmann.

The order is the result of a motion filed Tuesday by Ares Armor for a temporary injunction, directly naming ATF Director B. Todd Jones as a defendant “in his Official Capacity as Head of The San Diego ATF Field Office,” citing that “Ares Armor is likely to succeed on the merits ... The ATF’s planned seizure violates the Fourth Amendment [and] The ATF mischaracterizes ‘EP 80 percent lower receivers’ as firearms as a pretense to seize customer information,” among the reasons.

“Ares Armor has standing to sue on behalf of itself and its customers,” the motion further claims, noting “In the absence of a preliminary injunction, Ares Armor will suffer irreparable harm.

“Ares Armor is under immediate threat of having their customers’ personal information and its legal goods being seized by the ATF,” the introduction to the motion explained. “Agents from the San Diego ATF office are scheduled to arrive Wednesday March 12th , 2014 at 11:00 a.m. to demand Ares Armor hand over its customer list and turn over roughly $300,000 in inventory of EP Armory polymer 80 percent lower receivers.


< ATF Raids Store for Gun Owner Names >


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< Oversight Committee Grills ATF Director Over Ares Armor Customer Data Captured during Raid >

During a House Oversight Committee hearing yesterday on the ATF’s numerous botched “storefront” operations (which seemed to primary serve to entrap the developmentally disabled), U.S Representative Thomas Massie (KY-4) took several minutes to grill ATF Director B. Todd Jones about the ATF raid on Ares Armor.

Ares Armor was raided by the ATF several weeks ago on the premise that they were selling EP Armory parts that constituted firearms in the eyes of the ATF. All EP Armory parts were taken in the raid, but the ATF seemed even more intent on acquiring Ares Armor’s customer data, in order to build a de facto gun registry of arms that would otherwise be non-registered legally.

It gets very interesting when Massie asks Jones to promise to destroy any copies of customer data obtained by the ATF if a court determines that Ares Armor broke no laws.

I suspect that we’ll be watching yet another House Oversight Committee hearing on ATF abuses before this is all over.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 16 2014,8:18 pm
^^^polymer lowers, cool :cool:
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 18 2014,1:31 pm
Here's one for you GD.  

< What A 2nd Amendment Supporter Did To An ATF Booth Will Make You Laugh >

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 29 2014,10:40 am
How much of this 'tie their hands behind the backs' gun laws did DC allow?  The trouble is there are so many bleeding heart liberals living in Washington.

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These are only the beginning of the harsh and misguided obstacles that DC residents must overcome before they are allowed to express their fundamental right to self-defense.  Other problems with Bill 20-930 include:
•Issuance of a license to carry a pistol is “may-issue,” and requires that the applicant “has good reason to fear injury to his or her person or property or has any other proper reason to carry a pistol...”  Such reason must be supported by evidence of specific threats or previous violent attacks which, for many, could be too late.
•Applicants must complete a firearms training course from an approved instructor which consists of a minimum of 16 hours of training (including two hours of live-fire instruction).
•Currently, no shooting ranges exist in DC that are open to the public.  This will make it costly and difficult, if not impossible, for most DC residents to complete the training requirements, especially low income residents.
•Applicants must complete an in-person interview at the Metropolitan Police Department headquarters and “follow any procedures the Chief may establish by rule.”
•The MPD would have the authority to “limit the geographic area, circumstances or times of the day, week, month or year in which the license is effective.”
•Even with a license, carrying is prohibited in government buildings, adjacent parking lots, public transportation, public gatherings and the area around the White House -- in effect, much of Northwest DC.  Along with these limitations, no carrying is allowed within 1,000 feet of a dignitary or high ranking official of the United States or a state, local or foreign government official who is under protection of the MPD.  These officials typically move in escorts and would be a rolling gun-free zone with strict penalties for those licensees unknowingly caught in the zone.
•The Chief of the MPD is further granted authority to create regulations governing the carrying of concealed pistols.  This bill prompts the creation of regulations regarding the amount of ammunition a licensee can carry and methods by which a pistol may be carried concealed.

Given the numerous and unprecedented hurdles to acquiring a license to carry under this bill, the fact that MPD would have essentially unfettered discretion in deciding whether or not to issue a license, and that so much of the District would remain off limits to carry even to a licensee, the city council has shown that its real intent with this bill is to continue the status quo of denying law-abiding citizens their right to bear arms within the District.


< “License to Carry a Pistol Amendment Act of 2014” >

I've often wondered what part of "shall not be infringed" don't liberals understand?

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 23 2015,8:58 am
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< B. Todd Jones Out >

Today, B. Todd Jones resigned as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), ending what has been a tumultuous tenure as the agency head since July 2013.

Jones’s resignation comes at a time when BATFE is the target of a major backlash over the agency’s proposed change in federal regulations that would have banned certain types of 5.56-caliber ammunition, including popular M855 ammunition.  Since the ban was announced, BATFE received more than 300,000 public comments concerning the proposal, with House and Senate majorities also sending joint letters to Jones opposing the ban. The overwhelming response prompted BATFE to table the proposal.

However, rather than disown the proposed ban outright, on March 12, Jones reiterated BATFE’s concerns about M855-type ammunition to lawmakers. During a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, Jones stated, “But as we see more and more of the firearms that could be classified as pistols, being able to use not just this M855 round, but any 5.56 round, it's a challenge for officer safety, public safety.”

It is too early to say with any certainty that the ongoing furor over BATFE’s proposed ammunition ban played any role in Jones’s resignation, but we can be sure that the public and Congressional outcry didn’t help the embattled Director.  BATFE has announced that following Jones’s departure, Deputy Director Thomas E. Barton will assume the role of Acting Director.


:woohoo: We've probably never had another ATF director who has done more damage to the good citizen's Second Amendment rights than B Jones.

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 10 2015,12:35 pm
Saw this belt buckle and though of GD.  :thumbsup:

< Molon Labe buckle >

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