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ControlledHyperness 
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Posted on: Jun. 28 2012,10:22 pm |
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OK.. Pulling the middle ground and speaking to everyone's pocketbooks here.
Obamacare represents a TAX. You heard me...that three letter word that is supposed to be there in a form of representation. Maybe it is represented in the anger of those against it, and the laughter and joy of those who are for it. I don't know. I really don't care. I DO care that we will be MANDATED to pay it...regardless of the income. Working Poor...forget what some so-called dictionary in the works (yep..that would be Wikipedia) defines it as. Those who work their butts off and STILL fall at or below the ever increasing line called "Poverty" no matter how much they do so ARE the definition of the phrase. THEY will be the ones getting hit the hardest by this mandate. 1% OR $95...whichever is the greatest. Let's break that one down for the mathematically dumb.
$10,000 minus 1% is $100 = still more than $95.
Ok...so maybe $10,000 isn't realistic for Albert Lea. How about a look at what a standard factory worker makes...lets say $25,000 for a good average, and ease for following numbers.
$25,000 minus the good ol' 1% is $250 = someone's fat wallet.
This isn't the end. Nope. That is for one year. The next year rolls around, and then that 1% becomes 2%. What does that look like for an average Albert Lean??
$25,000 (because the business can't afford a cost of living raise) minus 2% is now $500...still more than the cost of the mandated amount...and still more than someone of that yearly amount can afford.
Guess what...that isn't the end either. The year after...yep. Tax increase. It is now up to 2.5%.
$25,000 minus 2.5% is now $625....below that year's cap of $695. Guess what..you won't be paying the $625 because it is the greater of the two. You will now be paying $700.
Granted...this is per year...but it will be on top of whatever else you are paying. Keep in mind, this is a TAX. Not a fee. Not a premium...a TAX. Owed to the IRS. And if you don't pay it?? It will be taken from your returns...or garnished from your wages...or levied against you.
Don't believe me? Its there. On just about ANY site you want to look up. Like I said...I am not lobbying for any side. I am going back to my Idependant roots here...the position of "YOU sway ME".
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alcitizens
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Posted on: Jun. 28 2012,10:38 pm |
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Personal Responsibility!!
Call it a tax or fee.. If you are responsible and have health insurance you don't have to worry about paying a taxfee.. You also don't have to worry about losing your home or going bankrupt because someone in your family gets sick or hurt.. Best of all is you don't have to worry about losing your life or a family member's life when disease or illness is treated early.. Win, Win, Win..
If you have a low income, you can qualify for medicaid or reduced health insurance premiums.. Another Win..
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2012,1:31 am |
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(irisheyes @ Jun. 28 2012,1:46 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)
QUOTE Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you. Botto: QUOTE That's the best some people can come up with, this early in the day. Rush hasn't told them what to think, yet... Looks like Botto was right. The quote at the top by CC is nearly identical to what Rush said around the same time today. QUOTE Rush Limbaugh: "What We Now Have Is The Biggest Tax Increase In The History Of The World." During the June 28 edition of his radio show[Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 6/28/12, via Media Matters] Although, not surprisingly Fox is using similar rhetoric, just not those exact words.
Is the statement wrong? No.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2012,1:34 am |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,3:12 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)
QUOTE Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you. Are you upset with the people who think it is wrong to bankrupt families for medical care or let people suffer/die so insurance companies can maximize profits, or are you upset with insurance companies keeping their greedy lil paws in control? What are you some kind of nimrod? Why are insurance premiums high? Because health care costs are high. You libs are confusing the two. You're so blind with lust for other peoples money that you don't even know when you blurr the lines. The insurance companies profit margins are not outragous. They are modest when compared to other industry sectors. This is just a short list of some of the CEO pay for health inrance companies, heath care CEO's and Pharma CEO's. This doesn't include compny perks like private jets, travel,etc. Did not take me long to find info on my own. How many doctors do you think make close to this kind of money? United Health Group- 101.96 million Express Scripts- 51.52 million Medco Health- 22 million CVS Caremark- 16.56 million Abbott Laboratories- 15.51 million Community Health System- 13.34 Bristol-Meyers- 9.87 Cigna- 9.67 million WellPoint- 9.49 million http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/12/ceo-compensation-11_land.htmlTop Pay for Mayo Clinic CEO John Noseworthy- 3.8 million http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/14/charity-10_Mayo-Clinic_CH0108.html QUOTE
What are you some kind of nimrod? Why are insurance premiums high? Because health care costs are high.
Oh...so now it's about the CEO pay. Insurance premiums are high because of what the CEO's are paid.  You do realize this is a multi-billion dollar industry...hence my nimrod comment. Good lord RS, it's embarrassing. 
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2012,1:37 am |
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So is funding all that military activity in the Middle East, but I don't see you bitching about that...
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2012,1:43 am |
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I have my opinions on that and we can go down that road. In fact, start another thread.
Hey...what about the starving children in this country? I don't see you bitching about that. Why are we spending all this money on health care when kids are starving in the streets right in our own backyard?
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2012,6:25 am |
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If nothing else this'll light a fire under the conservatives. 
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