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Topic: Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Law
started by: irisheyes

Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 28 2012,9:50 am

Here's a couple very early articles, with links to the decision. I haven't viewed much of it yet, but I'm sure it fell along party lines as was expected.

< NPR >

< Reuters >

Well, you can always appeal... Oh wait, I guess that's pretty much it.

HA!! Suck it!

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2012,10:07 am

So what can they cram down our throats next? What will they force us to buy?

I have great health insurance now, I fully expect it to turn to crap now. Once again we creep a little further down that entitlement road. It's a sad, sad day

Here's to you Irish :finger:

Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2012,10:13 am

I wish we had went to system similar to Canada’s, our system is still on a for-profit basis...

Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 28 2012,10:23 am

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 28 2012,10:07 am)

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I have great health insurance now, I fully expect it to turn to crap now. Once again we creep a little further down that entitlement road. It's a sad, sad day

I'm really not that much of an advocate for "Obamacare", I'm in the group that thinks it's a bandaid for the cluster___ of a system we have now. Like many things, it's a lesser of evils we're choosing from. Oddly enough though this is a republican plan, first proposed in the early 90's by the GOP, then in Massachusetts under Romney. It wasn't until Obama came out in favor of it that everyone started saying it's a horrible idea.

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So what can they cram down our throats next? What will they force us to buy?

Hardly anyone likes the mandate, but election after election people wanted to do something about pre-existing conditions, particularly for children. You can't have one without the other. And obviously repubs didn't have a better plan other than to keep saying no to everything.

You got a better idea, start a thread and we'll discuss it or email Boehner about how you'll solve the nations problems.

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Here's to you Irish :finger:

Don't take it personally, if the verdict came down the other way I'm sure you and the forum conservatives would be rubbing it in our face too.

But be careful, keep up that kind that attitude and your name might come up before the death panels. :sarcasm:

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 28 2012,10:31 am

Medical care SHOULD be an entitlement - for everyone.

There's no good reason some person should lose everything they own, just because they have cancer or somesuch condition.

Maybe if we spent less on 'bringing Democracy' to the Middle East, spending trillions on unnecessary wars, and the like, we wouldn't have these problems.

You're already paying for the medical care of the uninsured, via emergency room visits.

You need look no further than the $200 charge on your hospital bill for Tylenol to know that the system is already broken.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 28 2012,10:46 am

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 28 2012,10:31 am)

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So why have insurance? What was the point of all this?

Just take over the healthcare system and allow people to enter health care facitilies and receive treatment free of charge. Think of what we would save by ripping out the billing departments at these facilities. :dunce:

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 28 2012,10:49 am

People already have free healthcare in this country. They're called members of Congress.

If it's good enough for our so-called representatives, it's good enough for the rest of us.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,10:50 am

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 28 2012,10:31 am)

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Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,11:07 am

Democracy Now! Did a live one hour broadcast of the ruling. They covered every aspect and side of the issue. Very informative.

< http://www.democracynow.org/ >

I'm having major technical difficulties at the moment, but hopefully this link gets you to the correct video.

Even my keyboard is not working,have to type using on-screen keyboard. #thissucks

P.S. :finger:

insurance companies for doing their best to keep their greedy lil fingers in control of peoples' lives, and for keeping We The People fighting each other. They've worked hard for this. Hopefully though this is a first step to make things better.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,11:21 am

POTUS speaking live on the SCOTUS decision.

< http://www.politico.com/livestream/ >

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am

Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

Posted by nedkelly on Jun. 28 2012,11:32 am

Did anyone ever see what the repubs offfered as a replacement to the american health plan, if it had been ruled unconstitiutional, or is it more of the same we have now only getting worse...

...ned

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am

(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

Are you upset with the people who think it is wrong to bankrupt families for medical care or let people suffer/die so insurance companies can maximize profits, or are you upset with insurance companies keeping their greedy lil paws in control?

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 28 2012,11:37 am

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

That's the best some people can come up with, this early in the day. Rush hasn't told them what to think, yet...

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,11:42 am

(nedkelly @ Jun. 28 2012,11:32 am)

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Did anyone ever see what the repubs offfered as a replacement to the american health plan, if it had been ruled unconstitiutional, or is it more of the same we have now only getting worse...

...ned

To be honest, I still don't know the full extent of "ObamaCare". Both of these parties are full of crap. I don't trust either one. For the moment however, I am not as worried about my daughter's neck surgery when it comes time for it. Pre-existing condition.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,11:45 am

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 28 2012,11:37 am)

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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

That's the best some people can come up with, this early in the day. Rush hasn't told them what to think, yet...

Lord help us.

You gonna listen to his show today just to hear what he says? It might be amusing.-but I'm still not going to listen.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2012,12:25 pm

(irisheyes @ Jun. 28 2012,10:23 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 28 2012,10:07 am)

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I have great health insurance now, I fully expect it to turn to crap now. Once again we creep a little further down that entitlement road. It's a sad, sad day

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So what can they cram down our throats next? What will they force us to buy?

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Here's to you Irish :finger:

Well , at least with Rummycare a person could move from the state, can't do that now. I guess the thing that pisses me off the most is that our lawmakers and the unions will be exempt from this debacle.

So you don't like having something forced upon you either? Maybe you feel that way is because it's WRONG!!! I think I'll just have to rely on my taglines here, America is over and I'll figure out a way to use this to my advantage.

Been a hell of a day, first America bent forward a little more and an Irishman theaters me with death. I'm not worried about it, I used to tend bar in the eighties and it wouldn't be the first time I was threatened by a drunk "mick"

Posted by grassman on Jun. 28 2012,12:41 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 28 2012,10:07 am)

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Here's to you Irish :finger:

Now I think what needs to be addressed is the excessive cost of health care. We all know that it can be done for cheaper. Pharmaceutical companies have been raping for way too long. Health care in it's entirety has become huge business. It's like gas prices, something everyone needs, the sky is the limit.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 28 2012,1:03 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

What are you some kind of nimrod? Why are insurance premiums high? Because health care costs are high. You libs are confusing the two. You're so blind with lust for other peoples money that you don't even know when you blurr the lines.

The insurance companies profit margins are not outragous. They are modest when compared to other industry sectors.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 28 2012,1:10 pm

Besides...that's is not the reason the supreme's upheld it.

That's ok...Obama has solidified his one term presidency.

Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 28 2012,1:46 pm

(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

Botto:

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That's the best some people can come up with, this early in the day. Rush hasn't told them what to think, yet...

Looks like Botto was right. The quote at the top by CC is nearly identical to what Rush said around the same time today.

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Rush Limbaugh: "What We Now Have Is The Biggest Tax Increase In The History Of The World." During the June 28 edition of his radio show[Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 6/28/12, via Media Matters]

Although, not surprisingly Fox is using similar rhetoric, just not those exact words.

Posted by SimpleLife on Jun. 28 2012,2:08 pm

Didn't rush say he was going to leave the country if the ACA was upheld? Wonder if he's already packed...

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 28 2012,2:27 pm

I think it is funny watching both sides get their undies in a bunch over it.

Posted by hairhertz on Jun. 28 2012,2:55 pm

bye, bye, Rush....please leave a forwarding address

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,3:12 pm

(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,1:03 pm)

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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

This is just a short list of some of the CEO pay for health inrance companies, heath care CEO's and Pharma CEO's. This doesn't include compny perks like private jets, travel,etc. Did not take me long to find info on my own. How many doctors do you think make close to this kind of money?

United Health Group- 101.96 million

Express Scripts- 51.52 million

Medco Health- 22 million

CVS Caremark- 16.56 million

Abbott Laboratories- 15.51 million

Community Health System- 13.34

Bristol-Meyers- 9.87

Cigna- 9.67 million

WellPoint- 9.49 million

< http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/12/ceo-compensation-11_land.html >

Top Pay for Mayo Clinic CEO John Noseworthy- 3.8 million
< http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/14/charity-10_Mayo-Clinic_CH0108.html >

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What are you some kind of nimrod? Why are insurance premiums high? Because health care costs are high.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 28 2012,3:13 pm

(SimpleLife @ Jun. 28 2012,2:08 pm)

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Didn't rush say he was going to leave the country if the ACA was upheld? Wonder if he's already packed...

I'll help him pack!

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 28 2012,3:24 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jun. 28 2012,2:27 pm)

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I think it is funny watching both sides get their undies in a bunch over it.

Right-Wingers have been telling the people for the past 2 years how UN-constitutional this law is and that the US will blow up if its enacted..

We now know its Constitutional.. :woohoo:

Will they be right about doomsday for America? Chances are they'll be wrong again.

Posted by SimpleLife on Jun. 28 2012,3:31 pm

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...d#! >

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 28 2012,3:47 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 28 2012,3:24 pm)

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(Glad I Left @ Jun. 28 2012,2:27 pm)

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I think it is funny watching both sides get their undies in a bunch over it.

Right-Wingers have been telling the people for the past 2 years how UN-constitutional this law is and that the US will blow up if its enacted..

We now know its Constitutional.. :woohoo:

Will they be right about doomsday for America? Chances are they'll be wrong again.

That much is very true. What remains to be seen in the coming months is how the funding will play out with states being able to opt out of the expanded medicaid without penalty. As many as 25 states may not participate, now it is not really National health care. Again, much is to be seen as to how it will play out. It would be wise for both sides to temper their attitudes IMO.

Posted by grassman on Jun. 28 2012,9:51 pm

I Don't Want Health Care If Just Anyone Can Have It By Jocelyn Chao
March 7, 2007

As a concerned citizen, I must voice my adamant disapproval of the "universal health care" proposals we've been hearing so much about. I don't have any gripes with expanding and improving health coverage, per se. It's the "universal" part that irks me. Providing health care for all would completely undermine the whole idea of health care. If every last one of the 40 million uninsured bozos in this country is going to get access to the vast, virtually unnavigable system of medical care we chosen few now enjoy, then I no longer even want it.

When hospital administrators see me flash my Blue Cross card, it means something. It tells the world, "Hey, look at me: I pay increasingly high monthly premiums, submit to annual exams, and claim any health-related expenditures over seven percent of my yearly income on my taxes, and you can't." But when this bill passes, they'll be handing out insurance cards willy-nilly, and nobody will be able to tell the difference between someone who's had health coverage for 20 years and someone whose boss was compelled by law to provide it to all full-time employees.

Then again, maybe they'll offer some sort of special Platinum Plus medical card. But I can't count on that.

Health care is all about exclusivity, pure and simple. It's for a group of like-minded people bonded by the dream of only having to contribute a portion of their weekly wages to ensure unfettered access to a number of licensed health care professionals. If we change all that, health care will be about as elite as a public restroom, open to any yokel who waltzes into an emergency room and can legally establish California residency.

Mark my words, this will completely destroy the allure of filling out all the necessary-but-time-consuming paperwork, choosing one primary care physician attached to one specific plan, and becoming eligible for prescription medications at a reduced rate.

The only reason this is even being considered is because a majority of voters want it. Well, of course they do—they don't have it! But you don't see 33rd Degree Freemasons letting any old average citizen into their inner sanctum just because he's curious. And you won't catch me sharing my God-given right to affordable lifesaving medical procedures with every bum who's got a jones for another hepatitis vaccination. It's undignified.

After all, how do I know I've made it in this world if I'm not able to enjoy something others can't?

Lack of access to health care is the seventh leading cause of death in the country, and that says something. It doesn't get much more elite than being part of a club other people are literally dying to get into. So what incentive would there be if everyone were guaranteed equal health care, regardless of income, age, or employment status? Who would be left to proudly tell their grandchildren about the glory days of PPOs? That is a future I'd rather not imagine, thank you very much.

So why the constant desire to guarantee basic yearly screenings and vital operations for all, thus creating some kind of ridiculous, unrealistic safety net? How will people fully appreciate the excellence of the American health care system without the constant threat of it being yanked away at any moment?

If middle-class children are given government-subsidized medical coverage from the beginning, they won't have anything to look forward to when they get older. Though my offspring will never have to worry about desperately trying to scrape together the money for a hospital visit, it doesn't mean we should do away with the millions of other uninsured Americans who show them how privileged they are to have it in the first place.

That's just a simple matter of respect.

I urge all citizens of good sense to reject any universal health care plan that gets put forward. It's time to stand up for what's right, and protect our most respectable institutions. If we don't do it now, what will they tell us next—that everyone deserves a free public education and "the right" to a fair trial.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jun. 28 2012,10:22 pm

OK.. Pulling the middle ground and speaking to everyone's pocketbooks here.

Obamacare represents a TAX. You heard me...that three letter word that is supposed to be there in a form of representation. Maybe it is represented in the anger of those against it, and the laughter and joy of those who are for it. I don't know. I really don't care. I DO care that we will be MANDATED to pay it...regardless of the income. Working Poor...forget what some so-called dictionary in the works (yep..that would be Wikipedia) defines it as. Those who work their butts off and STILL fall at or below the ever increasing line called "Poverty" no matter how much they do so ARE the definition of the phrase. THEY will be the ones getting hit the hardest by this mandate. 1% OR $95...whichever is the greatest. Let's break that one down for the mathematically dumb.

$10,000 minus 1% is $100 = still more than $95.

Ok...so maybe $10,000 isn't realistic for Albert Lea. How about a look at what a standard factory worker makes...lets say $25,000 for a good average, and ease for following numbers.

$25,000 minus the good ol' 1% is $250 = someone's fat wallet.

This isn't the end. Nope. That is for one year. The next year rolls around, and then that 1% becomes 2%. What does that look like for an average Albert Lean??

$25,000 (because the business can't afford a cost of living raise) minus 2% is now $500...still more than the cost of the mandated amount...and still more than someone of that yearly amount can afford.

Guess what...that isn't the end either. The year after...yep. Tax increase. It is now up to 2.5%.

$25,000 minus 2.5% is now $625....below that year's cap of $695. Guess what..you won't be paying the $625 because it is the greater of the two. You will now be paying $700.

Granted...this is per year...but it will be on top of whatever else you are paying. Keep in mind, this is a TAX. Not a fee. Not a premium...a TAX. Owed to the IRS. And if you don't pay it?? It will be taken from your returns...or garnished from your wages...or levied against you.

Don't believe me? Its there. On just about ANY site you want to look up. Like I said...I am not lobbying for any side. I am going back to my Idependant roots here...the position of "YOU sway ME".

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 28 2012,10:38 pm

Personal Responsibility!!

Call it a tax or fee.. If you are responsible and have health insurance you don't have to worry about paying a taxfee.. You also don't have to worry about losing your home or going bankrupt because someone in your family gets sick or hurt.. Best of all is you don't have to worry about losing your life or a family member's life when disease or illness is treated early.. Win, Win, Win..

If you have a low income, you can qualify for medicaid or reduced health insurance premiums.. Another Win..

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jun. 29 2012,12:33 am

(alcitizens @ Jun. 28 2012,10:38 pm)

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First off...personal responsibility is great...but how much is insurance going to go up?? It's not going to be run by commercialism anymore. What used to cost $100 bucks a month, will likely go up to $400 bucks a month. Keep in mind those are examples only.

Secondly...for those who are low income to get their insurance via Medicade or any other governmental programs, the states themselves will have to find the money/funding for it first. No funding, no program.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 29 2012,1:31 am

(irisheyes @ Jun. 28 2012,1:46 pm)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

Botto:

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That's the best some people can come up with, this early in the day. Rush hasn't told them what to think, yet...

Looks like Botto was right. The quote at the top by CC is nearly identical to what Rush said around the same time today.

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Although, not surprisingly Fox is using similar rhetoric, just not those exact words.

Is the statement wrong? No.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 29 2012,1:34 am

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,3:12 pm)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,1:03 pm)

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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

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What are you some kind of nimrod? Why are insurance premiums high? Because health care costs are high.

Oh...so now it's about the CEO pay. Insurance premiums are high because of what the CEO's are paid. :deadhorse:

You do realize this is a multi-billion dollar industry...hence my nimrod comment. Good lord RS, it's embarrassing.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 29 2012,1:37 am

So is funding all that military activity in the Middle East, but I don't see you bitching about that...

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 29 2012,1:43 am

I have my opinions on that and we can go down that road. In fact, start another thread.

Hey...what about the starving children in this country? I don't see you bitching about that. Why are we spending all this money on health care when kids are starving in the streets right in our own backyard? :dunno:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2012,6:22 am

(alcitizens @ Jun. 28 2012,10:38 pm)

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Yes it most certainly is a tax, a tax that this SOB said he'd never do( didn't believe him anyway) yes I do have to worry about my health insurance, it might be fiscally wise for my wife's employer to drop employee coverage and pay the fine. And no matter what you say my taxes are going to go up to help pay for this crap. Once again, paying for deadbeats

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2012,6:25 am

If nothing else this'll light a fire under the conservatives.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,7:15 am

(Common Citizen @ Jun. 29 2012,1:34 am)

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Oh...so now it's about the CEO pay. Insurance premiums are high because of what the CEO's are paid. :deadhorse:

You do realize this is a multi-billion dollar industry...hence my nimrod comment. Good lord RS, it's embarrassing.

You must not have watched the video "Obama's Deal" that Grassman (apologies if I got the person wrong) that explains how the insurance companies don't like the idea of anyone taking away their cookie jar and how they made sure they had control over any healthcare changes. Do yourself a favor and watch it. Ignorance isn't your friend, although you sure seem to like it.

There are 7 parts for the video.
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...D40FE56 >

You said healthcare expenses are high, I pointed out some of the exorbitant salaries of some of the CEO's in the healthcare industry. So CC, why exactly is healthcare so expensive? Crazy pay and bonuses for execs and having to maximize profits for shareholders might be a big part of it. Maybe some things shouldn't have a $ associated with it. Have you read about some of the things insurance companies do to maximize profits?

Another good video to watch is this one:

I don't understand how anyone can think either party in our government is actually representing the people of the US. :deadhorse:

Posted by grassman on Jun. 29 2012,7:30 am

Yesterday after the announcement was made, hospital stocks took a jump. That, is part of the problem, right there.

Posted by pepi-lapew on Jun. 29 2012,7:48 am

Dear RS you are complaing about the CEOs making all this money.
Why arnt you mad at the baseball,football hockey,basketball players, they make alot more
your just a moron beating a dead horse!!!! :deadhorse:

Posted by pepi-lapew on Jun. 29 2012,7:50 am

I forgot all the senetors house members also

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,8:02 am

(grassman @ Jun. 29 2012,7:30 am)

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Yesterday after the announcement was made, hospital stocks took a jump. That, is part of the problem, right there.

I agree.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,8:04 am

(pepi-lapew @ Jun. 29 2012,7:48 am)

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Dear pepi, the baseball, football, hockey and basketball players aren't running our government. If Randy Moss decides to run our lives, I'll make sure to go after him. In the meantime, why don't you try to pay attention.

Posted by Moparman on Jun. 29 2012,8:06 am

(pepi-lapew @ Jun. 29 2012,7:48 am)

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S&P 500 CEO Average $12.44 million
NBA. $5.15 million
MLB. $3.34 million
NHL. $2.4 million
NFL. $1.9 million

Moron ya say?

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,8:15 am

(Moparman @ Jun. 29 2012,8:06 am)

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(pepi-lapew @ Jun. 29 2012,7:48 am)

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S&P 500 CEO Average $12.44 million
NBA. $5.15 million
MLB. $3.34 million
NHL. $2.4 million
NFL. $1.9 million

Moron ya say?

I wonder what a sports team CEO actually does lol.

Posted by pepi-lapew on Jun. 29 2012,8:43 am

If you go to a game you pay so much because of what the players make.
Now your ins. is going up because of Obimbo care.
Why didnt they offer the same ins. that congress gets!!
Why because thy dont pay for it. that makes you a second class citizen.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,8:55 am

Moparman, thank you for those figures. CC justifies healthcare CEO pay by saying it is a multi-billion dollar industry. Aren't the nationl sports leagues multi-billion dollar industries? Big difference in the salaries.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,9:09 am

(pepi-lapew @ Jun. 29 2012,8:43 am)

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Don't get me started on congress. Careful talking like that on this forum, you are describing Universal Healthcare.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2012,11:14 am

^Yep Rose you're right, Irishish already made a death threat yesterday.

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 29 2012,11:23 am

< Tim Walz on Obamacare :dunce:

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“That’s my job, my responsibility, to go out and explain what’s in this law,” Walz said. “When I see people say we should have the same insurance as Congress does, I say, ‘You’re absolutely right, that’s what this bill does.'”

What a tool.
#1 He's going to explain a law he voted for that he didn't read before doing so.
#2 He thinks coverages for congress and "the rest of the people" are now the same

I am ashamed I ever voted for this guy.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 29 2012,12:07 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 29 2012,11:14 am)

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^Yep Rose you're right, Irishish already made a death threat yesterday.

I think Irish was just poking fun at republicans a bit. Remember Sarah Palin's "death panels"?

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#2 He thinks coverages for congress and "the rest of the people" are now the same

Yeah, I wish we could all have healthcare like congress gets.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2012,12:07 pm

^ OH SIR!! I think all of us should be forgiven of our sins but voting for Waltz? How many kittens have you tortured today?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2012,12:09 pm

Sorry, that was for GIL

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 29 2012,1:28 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 29 2012,12:07 pm)

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^ OH SIR!! I think all of us should be forgiven of our sins but voting for Waltz? How many kittens have you tortured today?

LOL. Nice one! :rofl:

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jun. 29 2012,2:21 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 29 2012,12:07 pm)

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^ OH SIR!! I think all of us should be forgiven of our sins but voting for Waltz? How many kittens have you tortured today?

But....But...he is a Vet, and a History teacher, and has all these good values!!! He was sent to help!! Look how well he is doing with our education!!! And he helped pass this bill that will allow us to get all the same benefits as Congress...

Nevermind that I think he forgot how to read...or became momentarily incompetent....but at least he didn't leave his mic on... :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 29 2012,3:51 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jun. 29 2012,11:23 am)

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Admitting your shortcomings is the first step towards recovery.

Now, how many times DID you vote for him?

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 29 2012,3:58 pm

Only once.

Oh wait, you did mean in the same election right? :sarcasm:

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jun. 29 2012,3:58 pm

(MADDOG @ Jun. 29 2012,3:51 pm)

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Admitting our shortcomings is the first step towards recovery.

Now, how many times DID you vote for him?

NONE!!!!

But my kids love taking all his stickers at the end of the parade route every time he comes thru... :rofl:

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 29 2012,4:22 pm

Tonight Show Airs Video of Obama Dancing in White House After Healthcare Ruling

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jun. 29 2012,4:34 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 29 2012,4:22 pm)

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Tonight Show Airs Video of Obama Dancing in White House After Healthcare Ruling

THAT is funny!!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2012,8:39 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 29 2012,4:22 pm)

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Tonight Show Airs Video of Obama Dancing in White House After Healthcare Ruling

Does he trip and break his neck? :woohoo:

Posted by hairhertz on Jun. 29 2012,9:23 pm

duck, the sky is falling

Posted by grassman on Jun. 30 2012,7:25 am

Now everyone take a deep breath, collect yourselves and resort back to post number 18.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 02 2012,4:44 pm

GlaxoSmithKline in $3 billion fraud settlement

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- GlaxoSmithKline was slapped with a $3 billion fine Monday by the U.S. Justice Department after failing to report safety data on some of the company's most popular drugs.

The payment -- with $1 billion going to settle criminal wrongdoing, and $2 billion to cover civil liabilities -- is the largest fraud settlement in U.S. history, and the largest payment ever by a drug company.

GlaxoSmithKline will plead guilty to two counts of introducing misbranded drugs, Paxil and Wellbutrin, into interstate commerce.

Specifically, the government alleged that the drugs were marketed as a treatment for conditions for which they had not been approved. It said Paxil, which treats depressive and anxiety disorders in adults, was marketed to children and adolescents, and Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, was marketed as a weight-loss aid.

A third count involves a failure to report safety data about the drug Avandia, a diabetes drug, to the Food and Drug Administration between 2001and 2007.

In addition to the criminal and civil resolutions, GlaxoSmithKline has reached a 5-year compliance agreement with the Department of Health and Human Services. Under terms of the deal, according to department Inspector General Daniel R. Levinson, company executives could forfeit annual bonuses if they or their subordinates engage in significant misconduct, and sales agents are now being paid based on quality of service rather than sales targets.

GlaxoSmithKline said in a statement that the settlement will be funded through existing cash resources.

"On behalf of GSK, I want to express our regret and reiterate that we have learnt from the mistakes that were made," CEO Andrew Witty said in a statement, adding that the company has changed its procedures for compliance, marketing and selling since the incidents.

Shares of GlaxoSmithKline stock rose 1.3% in Monday trading.

I guess lying and cheating sets well with wall street. Does anyone see a problem here? Maybe it's just me that is getting sick and tired of lawless liars.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 02 2012,5:10 pm

^ Yes Glaxo most likely did some fudging and I don't remember my appetite lessening when I was on wellbutron(quit smoking with that bad boy) but also it most likely comes out as the gov. making Glaxo "buy a ticket to the policemans ball" . Nothing like a little grease for the wheels now and then. We all pay.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 02 2012,10:20 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 02 2012,4:44 pm)

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I guess lying and cheating sets well with wall street. Does anyone see a problem here? Maybe it's just me that is getting sick and tired of lawless liars.

No Grassman, it's not just you.

This is just a very short list from the last couple of years.
A judge in Arkansas ordered Johnson & Johnson and a subsidiary to pay more than $1.2 billion in fines on Wednesday, a day after a jury found that the companies had minimized or concealed the dangers associated with an antipsychotic drug.

In 2009, Pfizer settled for $2.3 billion over marketing of its painkiller Bextra. That same year, Eli Lilly pleaded guilty to criminal conduct involving its marketing of the antipsychotic drug Zyprexa and agreed to pay $1.4 billion in fines.

< http://www.nytimes.com/2012...as.html >
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In the case of Pfizer, my whistleblower client was a Pfizer sales representative who provided compelling evidence to the government that Pfizer marketed the prescription painkiller Bextra for uses that had been explicitly rejected by the FDA and that put patients at serious cardiovascular risk. For its off-label marketing of Bextra, Pfizer paid $1.8 billion out of the $2.3 billion settlement in 2009. In the case of Lilly, qui tam whistleblowers provided evidence that the company was targeting nursing home and assisted living patients to sell Zyprexa for a host of unapproved uses.
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...tlement >
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Pharmaceutical Company Fined $1.5 Billion for Wrongfully Promoting Depakote to Nursing Homes
In yet another case of big companies caring more about their bottom line than their customers, pharmaceutical giant Abbott Laboratories pleaded guilty to misbranding Depakote (divalproex sodium). Misbranding occurs when a company promotes a drug to treat medical conditions that the drug has not been approved for by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
< http://virginiabeach.legalexaminer.com/nursing...=300930 >
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FRANKFORT, Ky. (Legal Newsline) - Pharmaceutical manufacturer Amgen, Inc., is paying $2.4 million to settle its part Kentucky lawsuit that claims it ripped off the state's Medicaid program.

Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway made the announcement Wednesday. Amgen is just one of 48 companies charged in the suit and is alleged to have inflated average whole sale prices for prescription drugs when billing the state's Medicaid program.
< http://www.legalnewsline.com/news...d-claim >
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Johnson & Johnson and its subsidiary, Janssen Pharmaceuticals, received a $1.1 billion fine by an Arkansas judge for allegedly lowering the profile of the risk of certain side effects in off-label uses and hiding risks associated with Risperdal, an antipsychotic drug.
< http://www.dmlawfirm.com/pharmac...al-case >
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In late April, when the Justice Department announced its deal with AstraZeneca for the pharmaceutical company to pay a $520 million fine, as a result of the off-label marketing of its blockbuster antipsychotic drug Seroquel, Justice officials called it a "historic settlement."

What's more, critics claim, the corporate integrity agreements that are part of many of these settlements have been too loose to curb future abuses. Indeed, AstraZeneca was already operating under such an agreement, dating back to 2003 when the firm pleaded guilty to criminal and civil charges related to marketing of Zoladex, its prostate-cancer treatment. It paid a $355 million fine for fraud that took place over 12 years.
< http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990910,00.html >

There's also alot of information exposing politicians/FDA/Big Pharma corruption. There have been alot of whistleblowers who worked for the FDA and got fed up with the corruption and being forced to endanger peoples' lives. There should be tons of people in prison from the FDA and Big Pharma, but as long as it's making some people money, it's all good I guess.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 02 2012,10:32 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 02 2012,4:44 pm)

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I guess lying and cheating sets well with wall street.

Grassman, have you ever seen when one of The Yes Men pretended to be a spokesperson for Dow Chemical and was interviewed by the BBC? I love The Yes Men.

Sorry, I know this video and comment has nothing to do with healthcare, but Grassman's comment made me think of it. Immediately after this interview, Dow stock plummeted.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 03 2012,1:17 am

Thank you, I had forgotten about the Union Carbide fiasco. That would be a prime example of the bottom line outweighing the lives of people. Yet we have the GOP saying let business thrive and stay out of their way. Sickening. :frusty:

Posted by grassman on Jul. 03 2012,8:18 pm

Ros, I'm just wondering where the usual free enterprise and no govt involvement folks are on this. Usually they are falling all over themselves to say that big business is the way. :popcorn:

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 03 2012,10:10 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 03 2012,1:17 am)

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Yeah, there's alot of horrible things that have happened around the world. That Bhopal disaster was just one. Things like that make me completely sick to my stomach. We've had some horrible instances here in America, but nothing like that or other places in the world...not yet anyway. Gulf of Mexico is pretty damn bad though. Took Exxon 20 years before they started paying out to the people who have suffered because of Exxon Valdez. 20 freaking years. Alot of the people who suffered from that disaster were already dead. Personally, I think it's criminal. At least with the GOP, they tell us to our faces they are for big business. The other side has to be sneakier about it.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 03 2012,10:16 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 03 2012,8:18 pm)

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Ros, I'm just wondering where the usual free enterprise and no govt involvement folks are on this. Usually they are falling all over themselves to say that big business is the way. :popcorn:

It's kinda hard to argue facts and common sense. Perhaps the things we are talking about are starting to sink in? We can only hope.
If I was better at what I have been attempting to do, things might go better.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 04 2012,6:26 am

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 03 2012,10:10 pm)

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The other side has to be sneakier about it.

How true. Very sad.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 04 2012,2:44 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 04 2012,6:26 am)

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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 03 2012,10:10 pm)

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The other side has to be sneakier about it.

How true. Very sad.

Maybe she really was tired and it was her first accidental wrong vote in ten years.

A tired North Carolina lawmaker pushed the wrong button on a vote this week and accidentally approved the controversial mining process known as fracking.

N.C. Rep. Becky Carney, a veteran Democratic lawmaker, mistakenly cast the deciding vote to allow hydraulic fracturing to move forward in her state after a marathon legislative session late Monday night. Her vote allowed Republicans to override a veto by Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue.

Just after the vote Carney was overheard saying, "Oh my gosh. I pushed green,” WRAL-TV reported.

While the accident was not uncommon in the N.C. legislature and lawmakers are usually allowed to switch a mistaken vote, Republicans used a procedural rule to prevent her from fixing the error.
< http://www.nydailynews.com/news...d=false >

Posted by blahblahblah on Jul. 05 2012,12:11 am

(grassman @ Jul. 03 2012,8:18 pm)

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Ros, I'm just wondering where the usual free enterprise and no govt involvement folks are on this. Usually they are falling all over themselves to say that big business is the way. :popcorn:

Not exactly sure what you want people to comment on, Rosalind took a thread about a supreme court ruling and diverted to the Bhopal disaster (from more than 25 years ago) in India.

And if you believe the Bhopal disaster is an example of too little government I would say you are badly mistaken.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 05 2012,10:45 am

(blahblahblah @ Jul. 05 2012,12:11 am)

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I consider it more of a segue than diverting it.

Um, so the Bhopal thing should just be forgotten about since it happened 25 years ago? Companies should just get a free ticket when causing death and suffering? Companies are doing it here in America right now today too. You don't have a problem with that?

Posted by grassman on Jul. 05 2012,8:41 pm

It has been conditioned into the laymen that, we are just food.

Posted by blahblahblah on Jul. 05 2012,10:32 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 05 2012,10:45 am)

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Um, so the Bhopal thing should just be forgotten about since it happened 25 years ago? Companies should just get a free ticket when causing death and suffering? Companies are doing it here in America right now today too. You don't have a problem with that?

The Bhopal thing is far from forgotten, in fact it's probably discussed in almost every business ethics class for undergrad and MBA students in the U.S. and perhaps internationally. I am not saying Union Carbide didn't do anything wrong. I just think it's a very poor example for you big government heavy regulation types to cling to if you are trying to prove that we need more government involvement in industry.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 06 2012,5:54 am

I think it was more of a reference to the bottom line over all else.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 06 2012,9:24 am

(grassman @ Jul. 06 2012,5:54 am)

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I think it was more of a reference to the bottom line over all else.

Yes. And also how these companies can, for the most part, get away with such atrocities.

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I just think it's a very poor example for you big government heavy regulation types to cling to if you are trying to prove that we need more government involvement in industry.

We big government regulation types?? What the hell good does any amount of regulation do when the regulators work for the people they are supposed to keep us safe from?? What the hell good does any amount of government involvement in industry do when the industries either own or threaten most of the people that are supposed to be keeping an eye on them?

Too many people think that just because we don't have any more rivers catching fire that everything is hunky-dory and that environmental protections are doing just fine. When in reality THEY ARE NOT. Granted, our country is not as poisoned as some others are...yet. Maybe it's time for every one of us to reprioritize some things. Instead of raising acceptable levels of poisons in our air, land and water so things can keep being allowed to go the way they always have, just so we don't have to actually stop and think of what sort of world we are leaving to our children and grandchildren. Just so we don't have to do the hard work that it will take to make things better. Or, heaven forbid, we don't have to make any sacrifices.

Eh, maybe Jesus will come back any day and fix things. Maybe nice aliens will show up and give us completely safe and clean energy sources and will have a magic fix for all of our problems. Oh well, if neither of those things happen, at least things will hopefully hold together for another few decades, then I'll be dead and won't have to worry about it. Why should I care. Let my kids and grandkids deal with it. Meanwhile, I'm going to sit on my ass watching Dancing With The Stars, complain about the price of gas, and keep debating which party is better for the country. Hey, maybe I'll get really radical and start working to get a viable third party into this entirely corrupt system. That would make EVERYTHING better.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 06 2012,9:32 am

I want to apologize if I have been upsetting or depressing anyone. That is not my intention. I (along with other Occupiers) are trying to wake people up to the fact that we have some big problems that need attention, and there is absolutely no way we can rely on our crooked government to fix them. Our systems are not broken, they are shattered, and if We the people turn a blind eye to these things and don't come together to try to make things better, the whole country is shattered. These problems are not just in America, and that is why people all over the world are taking to the streets.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 08 2012,7:37 pm

Greed is a virus.

Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 08 2012,7:54 pm

Greed is un-Christian

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2012,8:43 pm

Don't kid yourself, greed works.

Posted by Moparman on Jul. 08 2012,9:50 pm

^ To bad it's not sustainable.

Posted by blahblahblah on Jul. 08 2012,10:47 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 06 2012,5:54 am)

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I think it was more of a reference to the bottom line over all else.

Sadly, there was not even a lot of profit involved. One of the reasons there was so much chemical there was that sales had not been what they had expected. I would argue it was really just neglect or indifference. Given the facts as I understand them (the poor sales, the government and union involvement, etc) I don't understand why the company just didn't shut it down and go home.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 09 2012,7:45 am

(Moparman @ Jul. 08 2012,9:50 pm)

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^ To bad it's not sustainable.

What do you think drives your union when they negotiate???

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 09 2012,11:46 am

Fairness?

Posted by Moparman on Jul. 09 2012,12:47 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 09 2012,7:45 am)

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(Moparman @ Jul. 08 2012,9:50 pm)

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^ To bad it's not sustainable.

What do you think drives your union when they negotiate???

You seem to miss the key word being negotiate. You know, two sides working out a deal that acheives the best terms for both sides. Do you even understand what true greed is? Obviously not, because then you would finally realize what is killing this country.

It is really sad that some people think that just because just someone belongs to a union that provides a decent living wage and benefits they are " greedy".

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 09 2012,2:01 pm

(Liberal @ Jul. 09 2012,11:46 am)

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Fairness?

Yeah right :sarcasm:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 09 2012,7:28 pm

(Moparman @ Jul. 09 2012,12:47 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 09 2012,7:45 am)

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(Moparman @ Jul. 08 2012,9:50 pm)

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^ To bad it's not sustainable.

What do you think drives your union when they negotiate???

To negotiate does not require cooperation, sometimes it just a defense measure to stave off an opponent, to stall. Negotiation is an art that is all but lost in a world of capitulation. To manipulate is the highest form of negotiation, to have your opponent conform to your way of thinking. If along the way your opponent feels they've bested you without them gaining anything significant, all the better, let them be the puppy dog with the bone while you eat steak.

As far as knowing the meaning of the word "greed" I let my wife read your post, her words were "he has no idea"

Greed is the very essence of capitalism, without it it can not exist. Capitalism is what built this country and when our current leaders get out of the way it will rebuild this country.

I appreciate your opinion Mopar, I find your dedication to your cause admirable, but I find it sad that most people do not know what it is truly like to be independent, to control one's own destiny.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 09 2012,7:54 pm

SB, you are wrong in so many ways. What the world is experiencing right now, is not capitalism. It is hyper-capitalism. An economy cannot maintain on it. When all money is sucked to a small crowd, bad things happen. The way of business today is take as much as you can, anyway you can. by some of thes posts, you should now realize that laws do not matter to the top crowd. If you keep closing your eyes to it, it will eventually get you. I do know what being totally independent is, I own my own business, it doesn't get any more independent than that. Oh and by the way. If you are that strong against unions, you must have your yard full of Obama signs. That bail out for the automakers was a back dooring for the workers. They lost and management did not.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2012,5:02 am

I'd say the unions made out quite well with the auto makers bailout, who got royally screwed were the shareholders.

I don't allow signs in my yard, for that matter I don't allow political types at my door.

I'm sure you run a successful business but I run mine the way I see fit. That's the beauty of being an independent. You can afford to run yours like "Mr. Hooper" on sesame street where I get a little more aggressive.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 10 2012,5:54 am

I don't think you are as "independent and tough" as you portray. You seem to be representing some syndrome I heard about.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2012,7:51 am

Maybe I'm not, I deal with hot, nasty weather, frigid temps, stupid, uneducated drivers, all day rush hours and many more inconveniences. The one thing the drives every day is that I "live for the hunt". When I think about it, I have it pretty easy.

Now, back to the subject at hand. I feel that Obamatax has a possibility of harming small business and it most likely will. Grassman, are you like me where your spouse carries your health ins.?

Posted by Moparman on Jul. 10 2012,8:15 am

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 09 2012,7:28 pm)

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(Moparman @ Jul. 09 2012,12:47 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 09 2012,7:45 am)

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(Moparman @ Jul. 08 2012,9:50 pm)

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^ To bad it's not sustainable.

What do you think drives your union when they negotiate???

That just might work if you trying to strike a deal with a three year old. Anyone with the smallest ability to think would laugh at such childish antics. My guess is that you end up being that puppy dog and don't even realize it.

Have your wife (you know, the person your dependent on for your health insurance) look up greed in the dictionary, maybe she will get it then.

Greed is more the essence of criminal activity and ultimately failure. Actually that's why most crooks fail and get caught because they " got greedy".

You really need to layoff the " independent" thing. Your " destiny" is dictated by your customers needs, market forces, and government regulations. Someone else tells you where to go, when to go, and what time to get there. The DOT tells you how long you can work everyday. Someone else provides your health insurance. Someone else ( like me ) dictates when you get to leave for your next destination. Does not sound very " independent" now does it.?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2012,9:35 am

We're all "puppy dogs"'to one extent or another.

What time do you have to be at work everyday? Is it a set time or are you like me and start when you want? We've had this little discussion about loading or unloading at your dock, you may set the appointment but you only have so long before you start paying. I did forget to mention last time we had this discussion that I haul ocean freight which means your company's already paid for it before it left the docks from whichever country it came from.

Yes, my wife does provide the health insure in our household, before that I paid format out of my pocket. Insuppose you provide the health insure in your household, what's the difference??? I'm just afraid that they might cancel ours due to Obamatax and pay the fine. Of course the unions don't have to worry about it because they gave Bum-Bum a big slurpy for exempting them for awhile.

Posted by Moparman on Jul. 10 2012,5:44 pm

Start whenever you want you say? So keeping an appointment time means nothing to you? Just because the fright is prepaid does not mean you can show up whenever you want. We don't guarantee do, times so retention very rarely is a factor. And if you do get an appointment time and show up with an attitude I'll make sure your there till the last possible second. I do have plenty of other things to do.

The difference is you spout this independent lone wolf big boy pants lifestyle when really your just as dependent as everyone else.

If you wife's health insurance gets dropped (which I really hope does not happen) make sure you thank that greed thing you like so much.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2012,7:13 pm

If it's in the best interest of the company she works for I couldn't blame them.

I make the appointments with the shipper/receiver therefore I pretty much set my start time. And don't worry about it, I rarely go outside the metro loop. I have a daycab and I go home every night. Life's pretty good.

Posted by Moparman on Jul. 10 2012,7:27 pm

Personally I put my families best interests before my companies. Once they stop serving those interests it's time to move on.

So if your customer (boss) wants you there at 6 am and you say "Well how about noon, I need to sleep in because I set my own hours" and you lim they are ok with that? Your right that is a good gig! :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2012,8:42 pm

Actually I'm usually themone pushing for a 5or6 am start but you're right, the customer pretty much is my boss.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 10 2012,9:14 pm

Good to see you grounding some there,SB. Nobody is independent. The point that has been tring to see light here is, some have a very unfair advantage, be it political ties, bottomless wallets and so forth. They have no idea who you are, who I am, or anyone else that is not on their level. We are food. That is it. If you don't believe it go back to those posts saying such. Look it up. Count to ten and take a nap.Good to see you back on Earth. :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 11 2012,4:50 am

I do get ambit arrogant from time to time. But I do practice what I preach.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 12 2012,12:26 pm

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Health Care Law Repeal Efforts By House GOP Cost Nearly $50 Million: CBS Report

While Republicans lambast the cost of implementing health care reform, a new report shows that their efforts to repeal the law have come at a major cost to taxpayers -- to the tune of nearly $50 million.

The House of Representatives again voted to repeal President Obama's signature health care law on Wednesday, marking the 33rd time Republicans have attempted to take down the legislation. The 32 previous repeal efforts faltered at the hands of the Democrat-controlled Senate; the latest attempt is unlikely to break that pattern.

According to a report by CBS News, these efforts, widely viewed as symbolic political maneuvers, come with a high price tag.

CBS' Nancy Cordes reported Wednesday that Republicans' many fruitless attempts at repealing the Affordable Care Act have taken up at least 80 hours of time on the House floor since 2010, amounting to two full work weeks. As the House, according to the Congressional Research Service, costs taxpayers $24 million a week to operate, those two weeks amounted to a total cost of approximately $48 million.

< HuffPo Article >

So how is the cost of all this not a tax on the People?

Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 12 2012,1:31 pm

$50 million? that is a drop in the bucket. How much has this administration already wasted on failed projects (anyone of his green initiatives comes to mind).
As much as I agree with a health care over haul, what was passed was not the way I would approve of it being done. If it gets repealed, I would consider it $50M well spent.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 12 2012,2:16 pm

If it gets repealed? Did you not read the story? Congress has blown $50M on voting for something that had no chance of going anywhere. $50 million to pander to the teabaggers, and you don't have a problem with it? :crazy:

Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 12 2012,2:19 pm

I didn't say I didn't have problem with it. I was just amazed that people get up in arms over it. The only the congress IS good at is wasting money.
Both sides blow money to pander to to their supporters to imply otherwise is just stupid.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 12 2012,3:38 pm

(Liberal @ Jul. 12 2012,2:16 pm)

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They spend far more to pander to the recipient class in this country.

Posted by Santorini on Jul. 19 2012,11:48 am

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 28 2012,11:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 28 2012,11:24 am)

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Pretty proud of the largest tax increase in world has ever seen, aren't you.

Simple minded, arent you?
Not much experience in healthcare either.
Oh honey, you aint seen nothin yet!!
Just remember, nothing is free...
Now its up to the government/ employees to decide whose life is worth saving! You think insurance companies maximize profits...just wait to see what your government does.
Ignorance must be bliss...

The big question is why would the US Supreme Court take it upon themselves to search out a way to pass this thing? Ruling it a tax was not even on the table?
Now that is what is scary.

Posted by Santorini on Jul. 19 2012,11:53 am

(Liberal @ Jul. 12 2012,2:16 pm)

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Why arent you blowing your stack about the MILLIONS your potus costs the taxpayers everytime he or his wife takes a vacation :rofl:

gotta love the postus no-incentive programs...talk about keep the weak...weak! :crazy:

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 19 2012,12:27 pm

< http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/ >

< http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp >

Posted by Moparman on Jul. 19 2012,3:39 pm

The way I see it NO President is really on "vacation". I mean it's not like he turns his cell phone off ands says " I'll go through my inbox when I get back to the office".

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2012,5:29 pm

^ Clinton must have some private little moments.

Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 19 2012,10:40 pm

It's not like Geo. W. was ever on vacation - rolling my eyes

Moparman has it right, imho, no president is ever on vacation.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2012,10:46 pm

GW would head to his ranch than go cut brush, go figure.