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Posted on: Aug. 24 2011,1:46 pm |
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I think I heard Glenn Beck saying that a couple weeks ago.
QUOTE A new CNN poll released today found that voters are angry and they are taking out their anger on John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, and the entire Republican Party. The CNN poll found that John Boehner’s approval rating has fallen off a cliff. In July, Boehner had a 43% favorable rating and a 32% unfavorable rating, (net +11). After the debt ceiling debacle the numbers have reversed. Boehner now has a 33% favorable rating, and 40% unfavorable rating. The Speaker of the House has gone from a plus eleven to a net minus seven. That is an 18 point negative swing in one month. In contrast, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi has one from a 35% approval rating to 31% approval rating, and a her disapproval rating moved down a point from 52% to 51%. The loss for Pelosi was only a net three points. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnel didn’t fare much better than Boehner. McConnell’s favorable rating dropped from 27% to 21%. His unfavorable rating grew from 32% to 39%. In July McConnell’s net favorable rating was at a (-5), today his net negative is (-18). McConnell suffered a net thirteen point negative swing in a month. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid saw his favorable rating stay nearly the same. His favorable rating was 29% in July. It is now 28%. His unfavorable rating moved from 37%-39%. Reid’s net approval rating was (-8). It has increased slightly to (-11). The change in Reid’s numbers was within the poll’s margin of error, so his favorability can be considered unchanged. The Republican Party itself now has a 33% favorable rating and a 59% unfavorable rating. In July the GOP had a 41% favorable rating and a 55% unfavorable rating. Republicans lost 8 points off of their favorable rating, and gained 4 points in unfavorability. The end result is a net (-12) swing in their numbers. The Tea Party mirrored the Republican Party’s decline. In July, they had a 37% favorable rating and a 47% unfavorable rating. After pushing the country to the brink of default, they now have a 31% favorable rating and a 51% unfavorable rating. This is net (-10) point swing in their favorability. On the flip side, the Democratic Party has a 47% favorable rating and a 47% unfavorable rating. In July the Democrats had 45% favorable rating and a 49% unfavorable rating. The party of Obama’s favorables went up by two points, and their unfavorable went down by two points for a net four point gain. The Democratic Party was the news maker to gain in favorability. http://www.politicususa.com/en/downgrade-gop-approval
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Aug. 24 2011,8:04 pm |
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(jimhanson @ Aug. 24 2011,1:28 pm)
QUOTE Right out of Rules For Radicals--by Obama's mentor, Saul Alinski
You've quoted him quite a few times on this forum. In fact, I've never even heard of the book other than from you. Which makes me wonder, isn't there some irony that you keep accusing others of reading a book that you've clearly not only read, but seem to have memorized. 
So, why exactly are you so familiar with Rules for Radicals? 
QUOTE To the left of Obama? Who would be LEFT OF OBAMA?
The repub spin machine has always tried to make Obama look like a radical liberal, that's what they always do. And yet Obama continues the wars, continues on with the republicans vision of cutting taxes for the rich job creators (are they still job creators, even though they don't create jobs in THIS country?), and Boehner even says Obama signs a budget that gave repubs 98% of what they wanted. We've still got drone strikes in countries we're not even at war with. Hell, he even gave the order to kill Bin Laden.
If you really think about all these things, only the people who are far right can view Obama as being a radical liberal, because he simply is not.
QUOTE I'm amused by these "Town Hall meetings". They are less about "gathering information" and more about "photo opportunities." Did anybody hear ANYTHING critical of "The Messiah"--despite his high unfavorability ratings?
Having teleprompters and cameras around at public functions where the President is can't be considered new to this Administration. I don't remember any forum member being this critical of photo ops, teleprompters, or birth certificates until Obama took the Oath.
The conservatives weren't too critical of huge budgets, bailouts, or entitlements not too long ago either. Now Richard Armey and the Koch brothers have got them in a frenzy. 
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2011,1:18 am |
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(irisheyes @ Aug. 24 2011,8:04 pm)
QUOTE The repub spin machine has always tried to make Obama look like a radical liberal, that's what they always do. And yet Obama continues the wars, continues on with the republicans vision of cutting taxes for the rich job creators (are they still job creators, even though they don't create jobs in THIS country?), and Boehner even says Obama signs a budget that gave repubs 98% of what they wanted. We've still got drone strikes in countries we're not even at war with. Hell, he even gave the order to kill Bin Laden.
If you really think about all these things, only the people who are far right can view Obama as being a radical liberal, because he simply is not.
Hallelujah!! 
For Republicans, that big word means to praise..
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2011,10:29 am |
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Irish doesn't think that Obambi is a liberal. QUOTE If you really think about all these things, only the people who are far right can view Obama as being a radical liberal, because he simply is not.
NYT (hardly a conservative newspaper) call him "the most liberal senator."
Obambi nationalized banks.
Obambi nationalized car companies.
Obambi spent the largest "stimulus" in US history (to no avail)
Obambi created the largest deficit in US history.
Obambi is nationalizing the largest single share of the US economy--the health care industry (at least until it is declared unconstitutional).
His policies are SO RADICAL that the majority of the states are challenging them in Federal court.
He has presided in the largest growth of government since FDR--even more than LBJ.
He is an avowed "redistributor" of wealth--that's "take money from those who earn it, and give it to those who don't"
He is a supporter of liberal causes, like ACORN and SEIU. In turn, he is by far the largest recipient of campaign money from these liberal groups. (If he WASN'T as libbie, why would all these far-left groups support him?)
He follows the liberal orthodoxy of increased spending on ineffective social programs at the expense of defense.
He has CREATED jobs--IN THE GOVERNMENT. 
Look at the radical people he consorts with--Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Rev. Wright, his socialist Czars.
He has followed libbie dictum in refusing to enforce immigration laws--something that he took an oath to do.
Only an observer that reveres Karl Marx could consider him non-liberal. And you wonder why his poll numbers are in freefall?
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2011,10:40 am |
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Jim QUOTE I'm amused by these "Town Hall meetings". They are less about "gathering information" and more about "photo opportunities." Did anybody hear ANYTHING critical of "The Messiah"--despite his high unfavorability ratings?
Irish-- QUOTE Having teleprompters and cameras around at public functions where the President is can't be considered new to this Administration. I don't remember any forum member being this critical of photo ops, teleprompters, or birth certificates until Obama took the Oath.
Yes, he IS "the TelePrompter President" (ever see him when he DOESN'T have one?)  but that wasn't my point. If you are going to CALL it a "Town Hall Meeting", then it should BE a Town Hall meeting--where people get to speak their piece. That didn't happen, did it? This wasn't about birth certificates and teleprompters--getting a little DEFENSIVE, are you? 
QUOTE The conservatives weren't too critical of huge budgets, bailouts, or entitlements not too long ago either. Now Richard Armey and the Koch brothers have got them in a frenzy. Typical libbie response--a juvenile "Well, HE did it!"
Don't confuse conservatives with Repubs. The Bushs were no conservatives. Ford was not a conservative. Nixon, with wage and price controls, was DEFINITELY not a conservative. Goldwater was a conservative, as was Reagan.
"Armey and the Kock Brothers"? Who ever HEARD of the Koch Brothers until the libbies got their panties in a wad in Wisconsin over making government employees contribute to their health and pension plans--just as private industry employees do?
It is yet another example of libbie hypocrisy--they passed Obamacare and Socialist Security--FORCING every employee to pay for health and retirement--then OPPOSE making government employees do the very same thing.
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2011,5:16 pm |
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Ah, how refreshing. Hammered point by point again, and all he's got is name calling. Almost to the 9000 post mark, ahead of schedule and still very few if any original threads, only counterpunches.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2011,5:44 pm |
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QUOTE You've quoted him quite a few times on this forum. In fact, I've never even heard of the book other than from you. Which makes me wonder, isn't there some irony that you keep accusing others of reading a book that you've clearly not only read, but seem to have memorized.
So, why exactly are you so familiar with Rules for Radicals?
Do you not think it is wise to know your enemies, Grasshopper?
Perhaps if MORE people had looked at the Obama/Alinsky connection, they would have understood just how far left the Alinsky/Obama is.
Alinsky was ALSO a "Community Organizer"--and a mentor to Obama. From the lefty Washington Post My Webpage
Note that Alinsky was studied by ANOTHER Chicago lefty--Hillary Rodham.
None other than Alinksky's own son said that "Obama has learned his lessons well" My Webpage
Both Barry and Michelle quoted Alinsky My Webpage
How about this description of the connection between Barry Soetoro (Obama) and Alinsky? From the same source-- QUOTE His creed was set out in his book 'Rules for Radicals' - a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the 'first radical'. It was Alinsky for whom 'change' was his mantra. And by 'change', he meant a Marxist revolution achieved by slow, incremental, Machiavellian means which turned society inside out. This had to be done through systematic deception, winning the trust of the naively idealistic middle class by using the language of morality to conceal an agenda designed to destroy it. And the way to do this, he said, was through 'people's organisations'. In FrontPageMagazine.Com John Perazzo writes:
These People's Organizations were to be composed largely of discontented individuals who believed that society was replete with injustices that prevented them from being able to live satisfying lives. Such organizations, Alinsky advised, should not be imported from the outside into a community, but rather should be staffed by locals who, with some guidance from trained radical organizers, could set their own agendas.
The installment of local leaders as the top-level officers of People's Organizations helped give the organizations credibility and authenticity in the eyes of the community. This tactic closely paralleled the longtime Communist Party strategy of creating front organizations that ostensibly were led by non-communist fellow-travelers, but which were in fact controlled by Party members behind the scenes...
Alinsky viewed as supremely important the role of the organizer, or master manipulator, whose guidance was responsible for setting the agendas of the People's Organization... Alinsky laid out a set of basic principles to guide the actions and decisions of radical organizers and the People's Organizations they established. The organizer, he said, 'must first rub raw the resentments of the people; fan the latent hostilities to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act.
Read the Rules for Radicals again. It is the politics of not of "Organizing", but of "Agitation."
Look no further than that screed to find out why personal attacks have become the norm from the radicals.
Alinsky's tactics worked for the 1960s radical groups--Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Nation of Islam, Students for a Democratic Society, Youth International Party (Yippees).
It worked for Jerry Rubin, Stokely Carmichael, Abbie Hoffman, Bobby Seale, Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Berrigan Bros.
It worked for Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Rev. Wright, Louis Farakhan in the 1990s and 2000s.
And it worked for the CURRENT "Community Agitator Organizer.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2011,6:19 pm |
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Did Obama NOT nationalize banks?
Did Obambi NOT nationalize Chrysler and GM?
Did Oblahblah NOT nationalize 1/6 of the economy of the US--healthcare?
Did the Messiah NOT spend the largest "stimulus" in US history?
Did "The ONE" NOT create the largest deficit in US history?
Did Obummer NOT preside over the largest growth of government since FDR?
Is it NOT true that Obama proposes that Government take money from those that earn it, and give it to those that don't?
Is it NOT true that the majority of the states have found his Obamacare so reprehensible that they have challenged it on Constitutional grounds?
Is it NOT true that he not only was supported by disgraced organizations like ACORN and SEIU--but that he supported THEM in return?
Is it NOT true that Obama advocates for more social spending, at the expense of defense?
Is it NOT true that he has created jobs--IN THE GOVERNMENT?
Is it NOT true that he associates himself with radicals like Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Rev. Wright, Green Jobs Czar and avowed Communist Van Jones (since dismissed), Kevin Jennings (a proponent of homosexuality) appointed as the "Safe School Czar"--and recently, Jeffery Immelt--head of GE--who recently moved two of GE's companies to CHINA--as "Jobs Czar". 
Is it NOT true that Obambi has refused to enforce laws--from prosecution of the Black Panthers (caught on tape intimidating voters at the polls), "Sanctuary Cities" (refusal to prosecute illegals already picked up) and immigration laws--in violation of his oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States"?
How about a discussion of the FACTS, rather than EMOTION? It reminds me of the Lee Marvin line in "Dirty Dozen" QUOTE Before I met you I thought you were cold and unimaginative. Now I see you're quite... emotional." 
Of course, if you look at FACTS, it is HARD TO BE A LIBERAL. 
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