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Paul Harvey 
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,9:21 am |
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Geo's world...the new world order...
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hoosier
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,10:02 am |
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• The latest: To mark the 25th anniversary of the student takeover of the old U.S. Embassy in Tehran, when 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days, Iranian students burned George W. Bush in effigy again and again on Wednesday. Unlike past commemorations, this one focused just as much on the future -- and the potential for another showdown with the United States during Bush's second term.
Bush -- not Jimmy Carter, who was president during the 1979-81 hostage drama -- was the centerpiece of the protest. Three massive photographs of the president were part of the backdrop for a series of speakers who blasted current U.S. policies.
• At issue: The subtext throughout the noisy morning protest, held in front of the former American compound that is now a Revolutionary Guards training center, was the escalating dispute between Washington and Tehran over Iran's nuclear energy program.
"Nuclear technology is our right and we are not going to surrender our rights to the United States or Europe," vowed one of several such banners waved by teenage schoolgirls packed into the crowd of thousands. The two-hour rally ended with a statement, read to roaring chants of "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great"), that Iran would never give up its right to nuclear technology.
• What's ahead: Bush's invasions to topple governments in Iraq and Afghanistan, which both share long strategic borders with Iran, have led many Iranians to suspect the president is eying some form of confrontation with them.
"If America is going to attack us, it's important to protect ourselves," said Shiva Mosapour, a 16-year-old high school student holding an enveloping black chador tight under her chin.
Mosapour's assumption about Bush's intentions during his second term echoed many in a young generation that doesn't remember the monarchy -- or the seizure of the U.S. Embassy in response to the Carter administration's decision to take in the dying Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi after his ouster. For her, the demonstration was appropriate because it fell on the U.S. election day 25 years later.
"What Bush says is nonsense about the reasons for attacks on other countries -- that he does it all in the name of democracy," a 15-year-old high school sophomore named Muhammad said. "Look how many people his decisions have killed in Iraq."
This article is exactly my point. This is the way people see us around the world.
We arent going to change these minds by attacking there countries because they want the same weapons to protect themsleves that we use to protect us.
If we dont see the hipocracy in that, we are doomed to fail.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
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The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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Paul Harvey
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,10:26 am |
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Well, you see...it's not enough that neo-cons declare war on its own people, they must declare war on the world and insist they live the right and correct God fearing ways. To them it's simply about domination and good against evil... and of course they are the good ones and of course everyone else in the world is evil. They're even taking on half the US population at the same time!
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Liberal
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,11:08 am |
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Never believe anything that comes out of Tehran. I watch Mosaic nearly everyday, it's a 30 min news program on World Link TV that shows highlights of the daily news from 5-7 different countries in the middle east. Iran has complete and total control of their media and their citizens. They have mandatory flag burning protests on a regular basis and then they film it and give the footage to the western media. Most credible news sources from the west won't even show footage from Tehran anymore.
I'm also highly suspicious of their Iranian plutonium enrichment vote that the media showed just before the election. I'm not saying that Iran didn't have the vote and that they weren't chanting "Death to America", I'm just saying that it's not a credible enough story to show the footage on the news in the United States.
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The people are masters of both Congress and courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it!
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hoosier
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,12:46 pm |
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Good point Liberal.
But you cant discount the fact that if not in Iran, others around the world see us as we are discribed in that article.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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cwolff
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,7:30 pm |
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John Kerry says he could do a better job in Iraq! That is a lie, because he voted against the first war in Iraq, then for the second war before he voted against it. He is a flippen flip flopper! Kerry lost the election because he is very weak on defense (see 20 year voting record), and he has very weak morals. Kerry would rather fight terrorists with a more sensitive approach in your back yard.
Kerry also kept crying about outsourcing of jobs! What the hell is he talking about. First, his wife has 26 manufacturing plants abroad to take advantage of cheap labor. Then under Clinton, the democrats passed NAFTA, which was a major blow to the unions. Jobs flew across our southern border, and when companies realized the profits from cheap labor, they started moving companies abroad to other countries and it continues today. Unions lost bargaining power, because companies could just close plants and move to another country or outsource some of their jobs.
"My fellow Americans," stop crying about your candidate, because it was not your fault that your party chose the most liberal and the most far to the left candidate that they could find.
Intelligent Americans could see through the BS, and could see that Kerry was lieing, deceiving, and manipulating just to get elected at any cost. His comments and actions were just for show. Such as his "recreational hunt in Ohio," and his comment of having only one position on Iraq when there were many. Nobody with any brains was buying the constant BS.
Todays Star Tribune reported that the Democrats increased their House member numbers, and should now be able to get fuel taxes raised. This is exactly why we do not want democrats voted into positions where they love to tax and spend and expand government.
God Bless America and God Bless George W. Bush.
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Paul Harvey
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Posted on: Nov. 04 2004,8:47 pm |
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Whose God?
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cwolff
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2004,11:12 am |
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Paul Harvey, alas "I am too embarrassed to use my real name because I am a democrat," the following should answer your question, and hopefully you will just move out of this country if you do not understand!
After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper.
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multi cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.
If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
AMEN!
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hoosier
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2004,11:33 am |
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The only problem wuth what you say Cwolf is that Bush is not your ordinary conservative.
Conservatives have always been about lower, taxes, less government, and balanced budgets.
Bush has not vetoed one spending bill in 4 years.
I like lower taxes as much as anyone.
But we cant cut taxes, fight two wars, increase government spending, and get to a balanced budget.
I dont believe everyone that is so in love with Bush right now will feel the same way in 4 or 5 years when the bill for his poor management comes due.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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cwolff
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2004,1:27 pm |
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