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Posted on: Feb. 13 2008,2:16 pm |
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Benda complaining about R.Brown having no experience. just how much experience did he have when he was running against her? sounded like sour grapes to me! if he can not take getting whipped & losing graciously i suggest he stick to his learned profession.
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2008,2:50 pm |
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SOUR GRAPES again!  she won he lost get over it! 
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2008,3:06 pm |
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I have no problem with it. I only posed the question of who will run against her.
Benda's characterization of her as inexperienced is valid. OK, she's got one session uder her belt. Whether she's been effective remains to be seen. I'm sure she's a nice person, but has always seemed as somewhat of a wallflower to me. I think that's the reason for the yellow jacket, to force her to stand out in a crowd.
However, being "nice" doesn't mean being effective, especially in politics. So if you have a problem with that, get over it.
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2008,3:26 pm |
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(Replicant @ Feb. 13 2008,3:06 pm)
QUOTE Benda's characterization of her as inexperienced is valid.
No, I don't think it was.
Benda's letter to the editor, in tandem with the newspaper article, stated he had decided not to run again for state rep.
Let me turn it around for you. Suppose I had written a letter to the editor, saying I was not running for county commissioner, but have no fear, some good candidates will appear, especially against an inexperienced guy who could not ...
Would that be sour grapes? Yes. Would it be inappropriate? Yes. Did it remove some luster from Benda? Yes. He should have stuck to the I'm-not-running-but-the-Republicans-will-have-good-candidate.
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2008,4:46 pm |
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(scorenix @ Feb. 13 2008,3:26 pm)
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(Replicant @ Feb. 13 2008,3:06 pm)
QUOTE Benda's characterization of her as inexperienced is valid. No, I don't think it was.
So Benda has no business questioning Brown's experience? How 'bout USMCR in turn questioning Benda's experience?
(usmcr @ Feb. 13 2008,2:16 pm)
QUOTE just how much experience did he have when he was running against her?
What right does Hillary have in questioning Obama's experience?
Politicians go after each other about who's got more experience like a couple dogs sniffing each other. Sometimes it's quite amusing.
Reminds me of the 1988 vice presidential debate when Lloyd Bentsen looked down his nose at Dan Quayle when Dan pointed out he'd been in the Senate as long as Jack Kennedy had. You couldn't have cut the sarcasm in his voice with a chainsaw..."Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."
No, I'm not going to defend Dan Quayle. But clearly they were playing the experience cards against each other then. And Bentsen called Quayle's bluff. Lot of good it did him.
Scorenix, you're still astounded Rofshus lost to Behrends. Same thing here regarding Brown v. Benda.
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2008,10:07 pm |
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(Replicant @ Feb. 13 2008,4:46 pm)
QUOTE What right does Hillary have in questioning Obama's experience?
Politicians go after each other about who's got more experience like a couple dogs sniffing each other. Sometimes it's quite amusing.
Scorenix, you're still astounded Rofshus lost to Behrends. Same thing here regarding Brown v. Benda.
Well, you are comparing apples to oranges. Benda's letter coincided with a newspaper article stating that Benda was not running against Brown in a rematch. It should merely have been: "I've decided not to run, but Republicans will find themselves a very good candidate." Then to launch an attack took the luster off his letter and article. And the reaction in the community and on this forum has shown some disregard to Benda regarding this. The other instances you cite were all candidates running for office (Clinton v. Obama, Bentsen v. Qualye). Remember, Benda was not a candidate.
I'm sure Benda v. Brown shocked you. Republicans had held this seat for over 40 years. And so, like some politicans, it was taken for granted. Even though when you looked at the demographics, this district voted overwhelmingly for Democrats (check the 2004 election, it went something like 55% Kerry). All Robin Brown had to do was deliver the base.
And for that matter, Tim Walz beating Gutkneckt was not all too surprising. The mood was anti-Democrat. John Kerry had won Rochester in 2004. Rochester was changing. But the district supported Bush by something like 53%, so Walz faced a bigger hurdle than Brown.
Still, I felt Benda made a huge mistake when he smugged for the cameras and his band of supporters, when he held the press conference at the dump. Whoever advised him on doing that should not help in 2008. Again, it reversed the perception he was trying to make (kind of like his letter). And Robin Brown went door-to-door to every home in her district. Benda acted above the fray and avoided the personal door-to-door in lieu of mass droppings.
Add in the fact that his views were rather far right wing. He galvanized Democrats with some of the letters to the editors that he wrote over the years. And his views were used against him. It worked.
In the end, Brown ran a more effective campaign than Benda. In a district that votes 55% Democrat for governor and U.S. senate. The power of the incubemency is strong. Look at how Grace Schwab nearly held on in 2002, only to have Sparks win with more than 60% in 2006. There was no incumbent with Benda, but he seemed to think he was a shoo-in.
Finally, demographics are not this area's friend to Republicans. You have to have a candidate that appeals to the mid to left, not far right. Benda was far right. Want a different result? Put up a better candidate who understands this area's demographics.
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