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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,12:42 pm |
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GRADE schools now have "cover-up" Tee shirts available for kids to wear in case kids come with a shirt that doesn't meet code.
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Bubba
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,4:48 pm |
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I would like to see school uniforms. You know something like: a) dress blues; b) class A's; and c) fatigues. You know, the appropriate clothing for all occations. I guess if we did institute such a change we would have to let Wal-Mart know a couple of months in advance so that we would have enough of those clip on ties for the kids.
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minnow
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,6:33 pm |
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Spoken like true meat packer mentality...punish diversity and individualism. 
...typical Albert Lea... 
Ya...dat's da ticket...
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Bubba
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Posted on: Sep. 17 2003,9:02 am |
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minnow, if I have packed meat or not isn't the issue here. We send our kids off to school for 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 1/2 months a year, for 12 + years at great expense. At the end of that period of time we should expect something; like a reasonably educated person who can function and be productive in society. Knowing how to dress for specific occations I would consider as falling into functioning in society. I also see appropriate dress as aiding our educators in creating the order needed to perform their main objective of educating our young. Now if you don't like the idea of dress codes, what's wrong with uniforms?
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bitORlogic
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Posted on: Sep. 17 2003,11:47 pm |
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I can see some possible problems with uniforms.
One, who is going to pay for them? If the school does, that's more taxpayer money that's needed. The students or the students' parents? What happens to the poorer families for whom such a uniform is quite costly? And more than one uniform per student would be needed, unless they are expected to wash a single uniform nightly (or, worse, wash it every other wearing).
Secondly, uniforms (unless they are very strict) do not remedy the problems that dress codes have. For example, if you allow students to wear jewelry, you have to create rules for what kinds of jewelry are allowed. Whatever the decision, it will be at least somewhat arbitrary and will probably breed resentment. There are deeper concerns as well - if you allow students to wear a small cross on a necklace, you also have to allow students to swear a small pentagram on a necklace, or a comparable symbol. Unless the uniform rules prohibit jewelry of any kind, such issues are going to come up just as they do for dress codes.
I do not have a problem with dress codes in general, although I think nearly all of them are too strict and usually sexist. (For example, most dress codes I've heard of prohibit men from wearing dresses or skirts. Older codes usually prohibited men from wearing earrings as well, although I suspect newer ones allow this.) I definitely see the utility in a set of rules for regulating what students wear, but great pains should be taken to ensure that students' rights of expression are not watered down to the point of being useless.
Just my two cents.
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Tiger
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Posted on: Sep. 18 2003,9:31 am |
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You are right that dress codes usually affect one sex more than the other, however it is usually the females who are affected. And the jewlery thing, give me a break, when's the last time you heard some adolescent saying, "you are such a bi##h, you are wearing diamond stud earrings!!!" I imagine the majority of kids buy their jewlery at claire's in the mall. They might have one nice piece of jewlery. I have never heard of jewlery as being an issue with the way kids treat eachother.
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bitORlogic
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Posted on: Sep. 18 2003,3:02 pm |
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I never claimed it was an issue with how they treat each other. I said it was an issue with fairness and rights. There have been cases (not in Albert Lea that I know of, but in other parts of the country) where a student was barred from wearing a Star of David or a cross even though comparable jewelry was allowed, and it took a lawsuit to resolve the issue.
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Tiger
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Posted on: Sep. 18 2003,4:01 pm |
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That sounds like an issue with school policy and it needs to be changed. We live in America and if someone wants to honor their faith with a symbol around their neck it is fine in my book. The school is the one with the faulty system creating problems.
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Tiger
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Posted on: Sep. 18 2003,4:01 pm |
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That sounds like an issue with school policy and it needs to be changed. We live in America and if someone wants to honor their faith with a symbol around their neck it is fine in my book. The school is the one with the faulty system creating problems.
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ALTiger
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Posted on: Sep. 19 2003,11:15 am |
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It was mentioned that most dress codes are or women/girls...but I offer this insight. I do not want to see a guy walking down the hall with his jeans 'sagging' so low that I can see a big chunk of his boxers. This is almost as bad a seeing a thong sticking out of a girl's jeans. Some people may not see it this way, but the wording that says no underwear may be seen, affects guys as well as girls. The problem is no one realizes that guys also need a code.
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