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rat_squad 
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,8:47 pm |
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Wow, I can’t believe I am even responding to Minnow.
First of all, I am not Mark Harig.
Second, Terrorism can be anything that creates terror in another. Not all terrorists are “brown people in turbans from some foreign lands”. Terrorist come in all colors and from different backgrounds. Terrorists do things for different reasons. Some for religion some to put another race down. Some wear white sheets over their heads. It’s all terrorism no matter how you slice it. Yes, some terrorism is global like President Bush is charged with responding to. Other terror is on a local level. I would like to see you tell one of the victims of the bank robbery in Freeborn that this was not an act of terrorism. Or that Timothy McVeigh was not a terrorist.
Grow up Minnow….you are not the only victim in Freeborn County.
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,9:21 pm |
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So then it would have been safer if the officer that shot out his windshield would have had a high powered rifle?
Does Freeborn County even have a trained sniper on the force? If so, then perhaps one high powered rifle would make sense, why arm officers that are not trained specifically for sniping with sniping weapons? If it is to set up a wider perimeter, there are 2 flaws with that logic;
1. A larger perimeter usually will involve more area being blocked off, meaning a higher possibility that more people are involved in the incident, even during evacuation (if you have an active shooter) people are at a higher risk.
2. The longer the shot, the higher the chance of missing, even a highly trained sniper can miss simply by misjudging the wind or range. The human factor is in fact the only problem with most processes when they go wrong.
I am not opposed to giving the officers of Freeborn County what they NEED to do their jobs, I just don't think we are in a position to give them what they WANT to do their job; remember we are in a shortfall of funds right now.
Something else that might help is officers not shooting up their vehicles, I don't think anyone wants someone that can't handle and operate a gun armed with a high powered weapon.
What's really scary is rat_squad's post have one defining point to them, wanting weapons to kill people. Do we really want that in this county?
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Some of what is said here (myself included) is about as tolerable as listening to someone vacuum a cat.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,9:26 pm |
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You don't need an assault rifle to kill someone, do you?
I personally want the police to have weapons that will kill people...
But they must be properly trained so that the wrong people are not harmed.
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,9:45 pm |
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No, you don't need an assult rifle to kill someone, I can kill someone with my bare hands, but does this mean that we send the police out to the street with nothing but their bare hands?
I whole-heartedly agree with you that they must be properly trained though.
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Some of what is said here (myself included) is about as tolerable as listening to someone vacuum a cat.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,10:02 pm |
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I believe they choose their own sidearms, and squad cars are equipped with shotguns, etc...
Keep it that way, but why not train a certain percentage in more advanced weaponry?
A great cop in my book is one that needs NO weapon, or inflicts no harm or open threat of harm.
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,10:07 pm |
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rat_squad, it's obvious you have a lot of knowledge on the subject of law enforcement, and weapons used. But I think your exagerating crime in this county to try to push the need for more, and more elaborate firepower. Look at the 2003 annual police report for Albert Lea, page four has the breakdown descriptions of calls to dispatch to put things in perspective. www.city.albertlea.org/2003police.pdf (adobe required)
The two big shootouts you mentioned were shocking, but I thought no one was hurt, are you suggesting if the police would've had fully automatic weapons it would've turned out better?
| Quote | | Law enforcement prefers to use the best tool for the job and is frustrated when it has to pick a tool that is not as safe to them or others |
Citizen's are frustrated when taxpayer money is wasted. Are you safer by being able to flip a switch to full auto? 
| Quote | | I assume you don't limit the tools you use for your job |
I do, along with most people, on a daily basis! Money doesn't grow on trees in most work environments, so you get by with what you need, not want.
| Quote (rat_squad @ Feb. 19 2004,11:45:pm) | | don’t limit the safety of Harig’s Deputies by not giving them the tools they need to do their job. |
This reason is used constantly, and it's getting old. A person with extensive training has mace, a handgun, and a sawed off shotgun, while wearing a bulletproof vest in a county with low crime rates and is still afraid he needs more firepower? Time to rethink a career where you won't worry so much... I'm sorry if I'm being harsh, but that's my opinion about this.
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,10:18 pm |
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A good pistol that the officer is comfortable with shooting, and the 12 guage in the car should be all that they need.
I just don't think it makes sense to have squads on the street carrying heavy firepower just waiting for something to happen.
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Some of what is said here (myself included) is about as tolerable as listening to someone vacuum a cat.
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,10:30 pm |
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"It’s all terrorism no matter how you slice it."---->No, it's NOT ALL terrorism you knucklehead. "Yes, some terrorism is global like President Bush is charged with responding to. Other terror is on a local level."---->Really, is that so? How many acts of Terrorism has Freeborn county ever experienced? None...  "I would like to see you tell one of the victims of the bank robbery in Freeborn that this was not an act of terrorism."---->That wasn't an act of terrorism. That was a bank robbery that terrorized its victims!  "Or that Timothy McVeigh was not a terrorist."----->Now THAT was an act of terrorism. 
Oh boy....we got trouble..right here in river city...
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,11:16 pm |
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So then would the threat of financially ruining someone be considered an act of terror, or would that just be a normal threat?
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The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
-Albert Einstein-
Some of what is said here (myself included) is about as tolerable as listening to someone vacuum a cat.
-nphilbro-
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 20 2004,11:21 pm |
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LOL!!
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