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The Game 
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Posted on: Apr. 25 2006,5:20 pm |
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One thing that is important is available green space. Not that I am some tree hugger, but once it's gone, it's gone for good. Chicago (past home) was very keen on planning and keeping the green space they had left considering they only had a north, south and west side. You could move to the east side providing you can breathe under water. Will a municipal course work? If its managed correctly it can, but most of the courses fail. I've seen and met a lot of rich people, but I have never met a rich golf course owner.
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usmcr
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Posted on: Apr. 25 2006,7:29 pm |
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perhaps it was the club management that ran the ads in the paper. from what i have read the deal was put together in a day probably with out the local management's knowledge. some way the buyers saw an opportunity & jumped on it, perhaps the members were caught unaware. isn't that what business is all about? how long would you keep a business that was not making you a profit? the members had to know the situation regarding the finances of the club due to the decline of membership & lack of golfers. this impending sale should not have been a surprise to anyone! you think the city wants to jump on a sinking ship, they have enough of their own problems without this headache! one idea is to check with the port authority they seem to have lots of taxpayers money.  like the game says, it is not good to loose a major green space but then again someone has to pay for it. i read in one of the golf magazines that the country clubs are in a rapid state of decline. with the rapid decline of manufacturing firms relocating overseas the middle & upper management positions are also disappearing. let us face facts, we are not a tourist mecca & quite frankly never will be. take a hard look at the jobs that are offered here with the pay scale of maybe $11.00 per hour. with a round of golf of $25.00 w/o a cart how many of these individuals are going to plunk down their hard earned dollars to rub elbows with the country club set! the point i am trying to make is that the persons that can afford the private clubs is declining & without them there is no future! perhaps there is time for a counter offer but i can not see the city of albert lea being a part of that. remember when they built the arena out at lea collge, when they built the new hospital, when they built the new court house & when they built the new high school. they all professed in essence build it and they will come. the retention of this golf course will not alter this situation one way or the other just like the prior additions to this community did not draw in additional firms! i to would like this retained as a golf course but not with public monies, as i feel there are a number of projects the city needs to address. w/o adding fees on top of the real estate taxes.
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usmcr
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Posted on: Apr. 25 2006,10:40 pm |
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just watched channel 6 news. chamber of commerce had a survey regarding the country club. no surprise as to the outcome! how about a city or county wide survey for a meaningful representation? the comment from the mayor was just as meaningless " we don't want to hurt anyone" pray tell what do you think will happen if the city decides to block the sale. do they think the owners or buyers are just going to sit by & lick their wounds? the persons who will reap the bucks on this deal will be the lawyers! someone needs to make sense out of this deal before it gets out of hand! i did not hear any uproar over losing some very prime wildlife areas & greenspace when larryland or tiger hills came into being. the city council needs to step back & seriously discuss their options & responsibility's. the repercussions of their actions could be quite severe. the win win solution would be to convince the buyers that it would be in their best interests to build housing around the course as previously proposed in a previous posting! 
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Liberal
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Posted on: Apr. 25 2006,11:36 pm |
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Does anyone wonder why the club members aren't talking about all the tax revenue we're going to lose from the country club? 
Here's a PDF file of the country clubs tax info. (440kb file)
http://forum.albertlea.com/forum/FreebornCountyParcelInformation.pdf
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Apr. 25 2006,11:51 pm |
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Rochester country club fees
Albert Lea Country Club Fees
What a bunch of bull you want your social club you got to pay for it like it is a social club.
Edited by GEOKARJO on Apr. 25 2006,11:54 pm
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Ned Kelly
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Posted on: Apr. 26 2006,4:46 am |
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| Quote (GEOKARJO @ April 25 2006,11:51pm) | | What a bunch of bull you want your social club you got to pay for it like it is a social club. |
Poor little club members want city help, but most don't want to pay taxes. Shoreland Heights sure is a nice area for once being a golf course. Too bad about the loss of "that" green space...........  .............ned
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Alfy Packer
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Posted on: Apr. 26 2006,5:06 am |
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Can't disagree with the anti C.C. set, much of what they say has some truth. But looking at it another way, we have all been upset with the lack of job growth in Albert Lea and the area. What does the loss of recreational areas do for any effort to attracted those good new jobs? Both in the sort term and in looking out long term, it will not help this community in its effort to attract those good new jobs. People who have choices will not come to live in an area that does not offer good recreational opportunities. Without the skill sets needed for those good new jobs, ie people, no new investment will get made.
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usmcr
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Posted on: Apr. 26 2006,7:44 am |
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i repeat: Build the city arena, build the hospital, build the courthouse & build the highschool! they will come! well where are they?? still waiting, maybe tomorrow! the city & county are loosing population & will probably continue to do so.the south west minn is in a definite state of decline, only the rochester area is increasing in population, mainly due to mayo clinic. we are not in a position to compete with them & their wage base!
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ICU812
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Posted on: Apr. 26 2006,8:18 am |
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Lets go for a win-win. Contrary to the notion that AL doesn't need high-end housing it does. Maybe not up to 300 but it needs some(got my powerball ticket for tonight).
It also needs green space in the form of a golf course WITH homes on its borders. I dont think(or know) if homes only out there with no course would fly.
My win-win idea.
The yellow would be the ideal area to build homes with golf in backyard water in front(except on Lakeview Blvd.).
The red would be a possibility for golf course in backyard and road access in front.
The purple would be where the city could put the pavillions lost in swapping process. (two homes there would create about 10,000/yr in taxes)
The holes lost in home development would be put in old wedge land.
Nice info on the tax base info, Liberal, funny all that land is only taxed at a value of $250,000, seems to be worth a whole heck of alot more the way it is being fought for.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Apr. 26 2006,10:58 am |
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Here's a new twist. 4/26/06 Tribune
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