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hoosier 
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,7:31 am |
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Boilermaker, thanks for letting us know exactly what happened. These things need to be known by the public, you did what was right. As far as letting them arrest you, thats a hard call, I can sit here and say I would have let them take me to jail, but you just dont know what you would do until it actually happens to you. Jail or not, you did the right thing by posting what happened. I believe what the officer said is interesting though, are we to believe no one can take pictures of a crime scene? Boilermaker, were the police taking photos? You might have actually hepled them with photos they did not have. My guess is they were sticking up for a buddy, thats bull$hit. This would be like arresting the person that video taped the Rodney King beating, you cant arrest someone standing on the street, not interfering with police from taking pictures. You should call Tim Sturrock from the Tribune and tell him your story.
I only have one more question for you. Did you get the name Boilermaker from the drink, or from Purdue?
Edited by hoosier on Sep. 16 2003,7:36 am
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The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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LisaMarie
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,8:22 am |
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Dude, he was going to take a picture of the COP CAR as it was being loaded onto the wrecker, and he didn't need to be "cut out" of the car because he was walking around the scene! And if taking a picture of a car wreck is obstruction, you'd better call the Star Tribune, New York Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc. etc. etc. and voice your opinion to them. :rock:
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1adam12
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,9:52 am |
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Ole - traffic accidents are usually released to the media, unless it is a fatal, in which case info is released after family notification. I do know that the media doesn't pick up every accident and make it a front-pager. If KAAL and the Trib weren't hanging on their scanners and sent a photographer right away, they'll wait to get the info in the morning.
Boilermaker - I would encourage you to contact Sheriff Harig for some answers. This sounds like a simple traffic accident, and I cannot think of a reason you should have been stopped, unless you were standing in the way or were in a risky position. I can only theorize, since I wasn't there. However, the deputy should not have threatened you like that, and I don't believe Harig wants his deputies acting that way.
Sorry frustrated - this doesn't fall under obstructing legal process, since boilermaker would have to physically interfere with officers. Taking pictures is a passive activity, unless he was in the way. The scenario you described would be poor taste, not obstruction. But yes, I am anxious to hear the press report, so we don't have to gossip.
The only times in my experience that the press has been stopped from photo'ing a scene is at a fatal, in which case they are asked to refrain, not threatened.
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1adam12
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,9:55 am |
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Hoosier - are you hoping for some company (Purdue)???
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boilemaker
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,10:03 am |
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My first thought upon arriving on the scene was whether or not the officer was ok. I was relieved to see he was walking around - and if a bit stunned - was ok. I respect the job that law enforcement do.
If the deputy was wrong in threatening to take me to jail for taking a picture, I can accept that. Everybody makes mistakes when they are excited. But it certainly fed the stereotype of the young cop using their badge to enforce their will - if not the law.
I appreciate frustrated worker's description of what happened. It sounds like an unfortunately accident to me. But I am only more puzzled by why the deputy threatened to take me to jail. I wasn't interfering with anybody doing their job - I was standing in the Americana parking lot with 15 other people - none of whom were threatened to be taken to jail.
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hoosier
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,10:14 am |
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LOL, @ 1adam12, no, I moved from Indiana to get away from those Boilermakers, LOL. Just kidding, that rivalry has lost a lot of its meaning for me after living here for close to 10 years, that and the fact that Bob Knight left IU. Texas Tech fan now.  Anyway, thanks 1adam12 for clearing things up a little, it has really been nice having you participate in this forum to set the record straight on many issues dealing with law enforcement. Glad you are here. I agree with you, even if the guy was in the way, the police should just tell him to move, end of story. Frustrated workers idea of obsruction scares the hell out of me to tell you the truth. How many beatings by rogue cops would never be in the public eye if we followed his idea of obstruction. I agree that if someone was killed or had to be extracted from the car, but as a police vehicle was involved, we all have a right to know and see what happened. If things went down just as Boilermaker said they did, then I think the officers were way out of line, and should be told so by the sherriff or chief of police. They should see to it that something like this does not happen again. If they werent trying to hide something, it sure makes it look that way. I am sure you would agree 1adam12 that its not good public relations for law enforcement. I am not saying that this is the case, but in my opinion some of these young officers are just not mature enough to handle the power that they have by carrying the badge. We have all heard stories of cocky young officers going overboard in how they admninister the law. This sounds a lot like that, young cop, letting the power go to his head just a little. Again, I have no idea what happened, just saying it sounds like this could be what happened.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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hoosier
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,10:24 am |
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Boilermaker, either way your story needs to be brought to the publics attention so it may not happen again. Please, contact Tim Sturrock from the Tribune and tell him what happened, your story needs to be told. Otherwise, if the cops were not right to threaten you with jail, they need to know that the public is not going to put up with this $hit. Are the cops scared of people with cameras? Kind of sounds like our county board not wanting the people to know what is going on. This could turn out to be a public relations nightmare for the police, it needs to be taken care of if it happened as you say it did. Stand up for your rights and mine and let this be known to the public so it might not happen to someone else. I support law enforcement also, but no one should support what happened to you that night.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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1adam12
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,10:28 am |
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Thanks Hoosier. Just trying to keep some respect for a profession that gets kicked around too much.
I agree - most likely this was a case of a young-un that hasn't figured out how to win friends and influence people.
Again, I encourage boilermaker to contact Harig. He doesn't need to lodge a formal complaint - just let him know what happened so he can put his foot down.
Everybody likes to bitch when a cop steps out of line, but the only was it gets corrected is to go to the top. If you get crappy service at a business, a lot of people complain to the manager. Why? So it doesn't happen again. Same here - this guy needs a little sit-down with the boss to learn that this is not the way to conduct business. It's a lesson that some cops learn the hard way - if not from the boss, then from an a$$-kicking from pushing the wrong person.
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hoosier
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,10:58 am |
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You are right 1adam12, that proffession does take its share of abuse, its to bad that bad cops give all of them a bad name. But like you said, it might just be a young cop that needs to be told that he was in the wrong, if he was in the wrong. Boilermaker, I have talked to Tim Sturrock from the Tribune, he would like for you to contact him, its up to you. But like 1adam12 said, you should at the very least tell Harig about it, if this was just a young cop, or any age cop for all that matters, they need to know that this kind of stuff is not acceptable. You will not only be doing all of us a favor, but also the policeman that threatened to arrest you. If he doesnt know that he was wrong, the only way he will find out is if you do something about it.
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Sep. 16 2003,11:03 am |
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Obstuction of justice , Interfering with the duties of a police officer, It seems to be their favorite quote.
I was taking a walk one night and some kid was running from the cops they was headed my way I threw my best old high school football body block at the kid, him falling to the ground the police officers hand cuffed him and threaten to arrest me for interfering with the duties of a police officer.
I told them your welcome. %^&**^
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