Topic: Accident next to Trail's truck stop.
started by: Ole1kanobe
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Sep. 15 2003,4:57 pm
I went to the truck stop today about 11:00 ish this morning to get some gas and there were a bunch of State Troopers directing traffic around an accident between a semi truck and 1 or 2 cars. I couldn't really see much of the accident, but I talked to someone this afternoon that said that the accident was there as early as 8:00 this morning.Anyone know what happened out there?
Posted by churla on Sep. 15 2003,5:12 pm
i think a semi pulled out in front of a chevette,and drove over the car.16 year old girl was driving the car.think maybe they should ticket these semi drivers for reckless driving when they just pull out like they do.
Posted by jimhanson on Sep. 15 2003,5:24 pm
Unrelated accident, but another "what happened". A friend was coming home around midnight last night, saw a squad car (didn't say if it was a police or county vehicle) wrapped around a fire hydrant near Americana Bank--one other vehicle down the road a piece--officer walking around dazed. Several other police (or county) vehicles came up--my friend was going to take a photo--was told "would you like to spend the night in jail?" (for taking a photo). RUMOR that someone got in the middle of a high-speed chase.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Sep. 15 2003,7:07 pm
Yes Jim that is called obstruction justice and also obstructing a criminal investigation, time delay film without a flash or a digital without a flash with zoom goes undetected
Posted by jimhanson on Sep. 15 2003,7:40 pm
It WAS a digital camera--they just saw him getting ready to take the picture--he hadn't taken it yet, so there couldn't have been a bitch about the flash. He wasn't attempting to take a picture of the other car--just the squad car.Spend a night in jail for taking a picture? I question whether that would stick. I don't think there is a law against that--and the "obstruction of justice" would be pretty hard to prove intent. Newsmen, and the general public, film crime scenes every day.
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Sep. 15 2003,9:22 pm
I wonder if the press have special rights since they are part of the media, of course getting their shots approved as to not 7 with the investigation or possible evidence that may play a crucial part in prosecution or defense.As for the Trail's accident, I have yet to see anything via newspaper or tv on it. Maybe because a minor could have been involved?
Let's here it 1adam12, you know more than I do when it comes to this type of stuff, do PD's withhold info from the media when a minor is involved in an accident? (perhaps this accident turned fatal and no one knows yet?)
Posted by hoosier on Sep. 15 2003,10:23 pm
The guy should have made them take him to jail, then make them explain it to everyone why they did it.
Posted by boilermaker on Sep. 15 2003,11:47 pm
How is taking a picture of a wrecked city squad car obstruction of justice or impeding a criminal investigation? I am not saying you are wrong, GEOKARJO, but rather asking in all seriousness.I was the one that nearly took the picture and was threatened by a freeborn county sheriff's deputy with confiscation of my camera and a trip to jail. Both the deputy (who did identify himself when I asked his name) and an ALPD officer repeatedly insisted that "this is a crime scene" and I would not be allowed to take a picture. At least a dozen bystanders standing in the Americana parking lot witnessed these officers threaten me with going to jail either for taking a picture - or perhaps arguing with the deputy as to legality of me taking the picture. I had put the camera in my jacket when the office was threatening to take me to jail - so perhaps he felt that arguing with him was what merited a trip to the lockup.
It is unclear to me how I would be impeding a criminal investigation - nor how I would be disturbing a crime scene. When I was preparing to take the picture there was a wrecker hooking up to the squad car - and certainly more scene-disturbing light was being shown on the vehicle by the wrecker than my flash could have offered had I used it.
If taking a picture of a wrecked police car is indeed illegal, I suppose I could be happy I heeded the threats of jail and left the Americana parking lot as I was told by the officers. However if the police were simply intimidating me from taking a picture that they felt might embarass their fellow officer, I am a bit upset that my tax dollars are paying these guys. Frankly the two officers in question were very confrontational and not very informative.
Perhaps Hoosier is right, I should have called their bluff and let them arrest me.
I too am curious what happened. It appears to me that the city cop might have been chasing a car that turned from northbound Newton to westbound Main and turned too late - hit the sign in the median and tore open the radiator. It apears that the cop was going fast - and missed the turn much more badly - rather than continue straight on Newton and recover and double back.
I had hoped the tribune would have an explanation today - but I saw no mention of the crash nor of whatever crime constituted the "crime scene".
Posted by big fish on Sep. 16 2003,12:36 am
Do you recognize any of them in this picture?
Posted by frustrated worker on Sep. 16 2003,2:27 am
Why don't you guys quit assuming things and wait for the facts. people wonder why albert lea is the factory for gossup and bs. maybe the officer was chasing the late jeffery dahmer or maybe president bush was in a stolen car, or better yet maybe ron g stole a car from a stripper and was running from the police...or maybe some confused driver ran a red light and collided with a squad that was running "code" to an emergency call. ""I too am curious what happened. It appears to me that the city cop might have been chasing a car that turned from northbound Newton to westbound Main and turned too late - hit the sign in the median and tore open the radiator. It apears that the cop was going fast - and missed the turn much more badly - rather than continue straight on Newton and recover and double back."" What you were there??? STICK TO COMPUTERS
Obstruction Legal Process
CRIME: Whoever intentionally does any of the following may be sentenced as provided in Sub 2
(2) obstructs, resists, or INTERFERES with a peace officer while the officer is engaged in the performance of official duties
Sub 2 (3) imprisonment for not more than 90 days or to payment of a fine not more than $700, or both
how would you feel if the next time your wife, husband, son or daughter got into a bad enough crash that fire had to come and cut them out, then to add insult to injury a bunch of nosey people showed and started to take pictures. how about instead of questioning everything the PD and SO do you just finally listen to them when they have a request such as the one given???
is taking the picture obstruction??? to me, yes...to you, no. it would be one for the judge and jury. but next time for the respect of those injured just step back and let police and fire do their jobs. it could be you next time and i for one would rather render first aid than have to deal with nosey subjects
Posted by hoosier on Sep. 16 2003,7:31 am
Boilermaker, thanks for letting us know exactly what happened. These things need to be known by the public, you did what was right. As far as letting them arrest you, thats a hard call, I can sit here and say I would have let them take me to jail, but you just dont know what you would do until it actually happens to you. Jail or not, you did the right thing by posting what happened. I believe what the officer said is interesting though, are we to believe no one can take pictures of a crime scene? Boilermaker, were the police taking photos? You might have actually hepled them with photos they did not have. My guess is they were sticking up for a buddy, thats bull$hit. This would be like arresting the person that video taped the Rodney King beating, you cant arrest someone standing on the street, not interfering with police from taking pictures. You should call Tim Sturrock from the Tribune and tell him your story.I only have one more question for you. Did you get the name Boilermaker from the drink, or from Purdue?
Posted by LisaMarie on Sep. 16 2003,8:22 am
Dude, he was going to take a picture of the COP CAR as it was being loaded onto the wrecker, and he didn't need to be "cut out" of the car because he was walking around the scene! And if taking a picture of a car wreck is obstruction, you'd better call the Star Tribune, New York Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc. etc. etc. and voice your opinion to them. :rock:
Posted by 1adam12 on Sep. 16 2003,9:52 am
Ole - traffic accidents are usually released to the media, unless it is a fatal, in which case info is released after family notification. I do know that the media doesn't pick up every accident and make it a front-pager. If KAAL and the Trib weren't hanging on their scanners and sent a photographer right away, they'll wait to get the info in the morning.Boilermaker - I would encourage you to contact Sheriff Harig for some answers. This sounds like a simple traffic accident, and I cannot think of a reason you should have been stopped, unless you were standing in the way or were in a risky position. I can only theorize, since I wasn't there. However, the deputy should not have threatened you like that, and I don't believe Harig wants his deputies acting that way.
Sorry frustrated - this doesn't fall under obstructing legal process, since boilermaker would have to physically interfere with officers. Taking pictures is a passive activity, unless he was in the way. The scenario you described would be poor taste, not obstruction. But yes, I am anxious to hear the press report, so we don't have to gossip.
The only times in my experience that the press has been stopped from photo'ing a scene is at a fatal, in which case they are asked to refrain, not threatened.
Posted by 1adam12 on Sep. 16 2003,9:55 am
Hoosier - are you hoping for some company (Purdue)???
Posted by boilemaker on Sep. 16 2003,10:03 am
My first thought upon arriving on the scene was whether or not the officer was ok. I was relieved to see he was walking around - and if a bit stunned - was ok. I respect the job that law enforcement do. If the deputy was wrong in threatening to take me to jail for taking a picture, I can accept that. Everybody makes mistakes when they are excited. But it certainly fed the stereotype of the young cop using their badge to enforce their will - if not the law.
I appreciate frustrated worker's description of what happened. It sounds like an unfortunately accident to me. But I am only more puzzled by why the deputy threatened to take me to jail. I wasn't interfering with anybody doing their job - I was standing in the Americana parking lot with 15 other people - none of whom were threatened to be taken to jail.
Posted by hoosier on Sep. 16 2003,10:14 am
LOL, @ 1adam12, no, I moved from Indiana to get away from those Boilermakers, LOL. Just kidding, that rivalry has lost a lot of its meaning for me after living here for close to 10 years, that and the fact that Bob Knight left IU. Texas Tech fan now. 
Anyway, thanks 1adam12 for clearing things up a little, it has really been nice having you participate in this forum to set the record straight on many issues dealing with law enforcement. Glad you are here. I agree with you, even if the guy was in the way, the police should just tell him to move, end of story. Frustrated workers idea of obsruction scares the hell out of me to tell you the truth. How many beatings by rogue cops would never be in the public eye if we followed his idea of obstruction. I agree that if someone was killed or had to be extracted from the car, but as a police vehicle was involved, we all have a right to know and see what happened. If things went down just as Boilermaker said they did, then I think the officers were way out of line, and should be told so by the sherriff or chief of police. They should see to it that something like this does not happen again. If they werent trying to hide something, it sure makes it look that way. I am sure you would agree 1adam12 that its not good public relations for law enforcement. I am not saying that this is the case, but in my opinion some of these young officers are just not mature enough to handle the power that they have by carrying the badge. We have all heard stories of cocky young officers going overboard in how they admninister the law. This sounds a lot like that, young cop, letting the power go to his head just a little. Again, I have no idea what happened, just saying it sounds like this could be what happened.
Posted by hoosier on Sep. 16 2003,10:24 am
Boilermaker, either way your story needs to be brought to the publics attention so it may not happen again. Please, contact Tim Sturrock from the Tribune and tell him what happened, your story needs to be told. Otherwise, if the cops were not right to threaten you with jail, they need to know that the public is not going to put up with this $hit. Are the cops scared of people with cameras? Kind of sounds like our county board not wanting the people to know what is going on. This could turn out to be a public relations nightmare for the police, it needs to be taken care of if it happened as you say it did. Stand up for your rights and mine and let this be known to the public so it might not happen to someone else. I support law enforcement also, but no one should support what happened to you that night.
Posted by 1adam12 on Sep. 16 2003,10:28 am
Thanks Hoosier. Just trying to keep some respect for a profession that gets kicked around too much.I agree - most likely this was a case of a young-un that hasn't figured out how to win friends and influence people.
Again, I encourage boilermaker to contact Harig. He doesn't need to lodge a formal complaint - just let him know what happened so he can put his foot down.
Everybody likes to bitch when a cop steps out of line, but the only was it gets corrected is to go to the top. If you get crappy service at a business, a lot of people complain to the manager. Why? So it doesn't happen again. Same here - this guy needs a little sit-down with the boss to learn that this is not the way to conduct business. It's a lesson that some cops learn the hard way - if not from the boss, then from an a$$-kicking from pushing the wrong person.
Posted by hoosier on Sep. 16 2003,10:58 am
You are right 1adam12, that proffession does take its share of abuse, its to bad that bad cops give all of them a bad name. But like you said, it might just be a young cop that needs to be told that he was in the wrong, if he was in the wrong. Boilermaker, I have talked to Tim Sturrock from the Tribune, he would like for you to contact him, its up to you. But like 1adam12 said, you should at the very least tell Harig about it, if this was just a young cop, or any age cop for all that matters, they need to know that this kind of stuff is not acceptable. You will not only be doing all of us a favor, but also the policeman that threatened to arrest you. If he doesnt know that he was wrong, the only way he will find out is if you do something about it.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Sep. 16 2003,11:03 am
Obstuction of justice , Interfering with the duties of a police officer, It seems to be their favorite quote. I was taking a walk one night and some kid was running from the cops they was headed my way I threw my best old high school football body block at the kid, him falling to the ground the police officers hand cuffed him and threaten to arrest me for interfering with the duties of a police officer.
I told them your welcome. %^&**^
Posted by Larry on Sep. 16 2003,12:48 pm
Hey you cops-can-do-no-wrong morons.The citizens of this nation, formally known as the sovereigns!, have every right in the world to stand around watching what their public servants do. They have every right to stand at a distance taking pictures of their public servants at work. At a distance. If the cop said anything, it should have been "stand over there, and don't use a flash." Instead he gets on a little power trip because he is a cop and tries to intimidate his employer, a citizen who pays his salary. Fascists. As for respect, how about cops having a little respect for the people they serve.
Posted by Minnow on Sep. 16 2003,1:01 pm
Exactly Larry....good points...This is because it's primarily power that attracts young men to the job. You know...the guy who really got off on being a hall monitor and the like....bullies who found a legal way to bully.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Sep. 16 2003,1:14 pm
I set a video cam up in front of an intersection a few years ago where I film squad cars running a stop sign. they actually slowed and go'ed. I caught in a 12 hour period even ole sherriff nolander run it twice.
Posted by 1adam12 on Sep. 16 2003,2:17 pm
Hey Larry (or minnow posting under another unregistered name?) -Nowhere has it been posted that cops can do no wrong. And it has not been posted that boilermaker didn't have the right to take photos, let alone watch. And there are far more cops that respect the public than don't.
Minnow - most of us became cops to save your a$$ from the bullies. How come it's OK for you to call all the cops bullies, but no one can put all drug users into the same boat???
Try reading the posts before you start calling us morons.....
Posted by minnow on Sep. 16 2003,2:58 pm
The actual number is 25-50% of cops are there for the wrong reasons. I can see it in the people I know from high school who became police. At least 35% joined for the power...maybe more.Cops are becoming smarter and better educated as the decades pass, probably due to the fact that police work now pays better in comparison to other jobs than it had in the past.
I'm all for at least half the patrol people being women. This would definatley keep male officers testosterone in check as well as being better for the general public as well.
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Sep. 16 2003,3:15 pm
I know everyone here has seen these shows on TV that put together pieces of home movie tape together, like Max-X or AFV.I was watching one a while back (maybe a year or better) and it was during some protest or something and a guy was video taping what was going on when a couple of officer's approached him and told him that he did not have permission to take photographs or video of them and they had to stop filming.
Is this a state by state type thing when it comes to the general public recording (pictures, video, whatever) something that is happening as long as they are not interfering or involved in what's going on?
Posted by Bubba on Sep. 16 2003,4:37 pm
Here we go again, minnow while you were making up percentages why didn't you go bigger. When I'm making up stats, I ussually state its 120%.
Posted by cpu_slave on Sep. 16 2003,4:58 pm
| Quote |
| 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot. |
Jim just posted this the other day- seems to make sense.
Posted by churla on Sep. 16 2003,8:51 pm
the officer involved ,is this the 3rd police car he has wrecked?
Posted by steve on Sep. 16 2003,9:26 pm
Geo-what intersection? i have one in front of my house that that would be a good idea to do that to.
Posted by ICU812 on Sep. 16 2003,9:58 pm
I wasnt there for the "power trip" of the policeman but I would bet a large sum he had the very obvious in public "cop (power trip)haircut"
Posted by ICU812 on Sep. 16 2003,10:01 pm
the same cut we all have watched for the last 2 to 3 years on "Watcha gonna do" hit show COPS
Posted by rosebudinal on Sep. 16 2003,10:41 pm
The accident near Trails did make the paper. Assuming the 16 yr. old was on the way to school, how sad....Too many times I have had semis and vehicles pull out in front of me. 2 yrs ago my daughter said that twice during the week, her bus driver had to hit his brakes. It is a deathtrap out there.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2003,11:08 pm
Roger Bok asked the county commissioners about that intersection today. Hes been trying to get them to put a stop sign in or at least reduce the spend limit for about 3 years he said. Bok may as well have been talking to a brick wall though, the county commissioners could have cared less about the intersection.
Posted by steve on Sep. 17 2003,1:52 am
there has been to many damn accidents at that intersection. something needs to be done. those "professional drivers" think that since their vehicles are bigger that we should yield to them. what's it going take, a 16 year old to get killed!! commissioners get off your buts and protect us.
Posted by curley joe on Sep. 17 2003,8:51 am
You're barking up the wrong tree. That road is in the city limits, so you have to go to the city council. Like they'll do anything, tho..
Posted by knowledge on Sep. 17 2003,10:32 am
The road may still be a County Road. The County was trying to "give" the road to the City so they did not have to deal with issues like this. Also once it is a City road the County no longer has to pay to maintain it. The County has been giving the City and the Townships a number of roads the last few years and has tried to give even more.If your issue with this road is the speed limit then you need to talk to the Minnesota Department of Transportation. They issue all speed limits in the state. It does not matter if it is a state, county, city or township road. The state has all authority when it comes to setting speed limits. They would have to conduct a speed study for that stretch of road and then determine what the “safe speed” is. Generally this is set at what 85% of the motorists are currently driving.
Posted by jimhanson on Sep. 17 2003,11:14 am
At the County Board meeting yesterday, one of the Commissioners opined that "the lights by Wal-Mart (half a mile away) will effectively slow the traffic down". Not knowing exactly where the crash occurred, I can't see how that can happen. They also thought it was a County road--map in the phone book or Commissioners Districts (it appears to be in Springborgs district) is not sufficiently detailed.
Posted by Hanna on Sep. 17 2003,12:47 pm
After being in an accident in that area myself a couple years ago in which my new truck was totalled, I can guarantee the lights between Home Depot and Wal Mart are not going to do squat for slowing traffic down near Trails. They need lights in that area period. How many people have to die or be injured before they do this. My daughter lives near that area, and I must say, I worry about that all the time.Maybe would could remove some of Ms Millers rumble strips and move them out to that area.
Posted by 1adam12 on Sep. 17 2003,12:52 pm
The state won't do anything about the traffic until the county and/or city requests them to do so. Jim - which knucklehead said that?? Those lights won't slow down traffic coming from the east. And they certainly won't keep cars from speeding up once they've passed them.
This area is going to be like Northbridge mall area. It will take a series of serious crashes before they sit up and take notice.
Posted by ??? on Sep. 17 2003,12:53 pm
How will those lights effect trucks coming out of the truck stop? That is how this accident happened. The truck was coming out of the truck stop.
Posted by jimhanson on Sep. 17 2003,1:07 pm
That was my question--how can lights that far away--an acknowledged 1/2 mile--affect speed there? I didn't want to post until I was sure of the area where the crash occurred.I don't remember which Commissioner said it--so I didn't attribute it to any one. Liberal, Maddog--do you recall?
Posted by Mamma on Sep. 17 2003,1:53 pm
I was wondering why there were no pictures of either of the accidents in the paper. Wouldn't people be interested in seeing what had happened to a squad car? I recall, the week before they gave front page coverage when a train hit a wagon load of corn.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 17 2003,2:19 pm
Hmm, which commissioner would be so bright as to say the "lights by Walmart will effectively slow the traffic down?" Well, I would have to guess it would be the DUMB ONE 
Posted by Tiger on Sep. 17 2003,2:51 pm
The lights by wal-mart are on and working now. I came off the interstate there and I guess it is habit to not have to stop but my light turned red and I made a quick stop. It will take some time getting used to.
Posted by churla on Sep. 17 2003,4:34 pm
i wonder why no names were released in the accident involving the police?usually kate radio tells the names.
Posted by young 'un on Sep. 23 2003,12:27 pm
In regards to the accident by Trail's: There have been too many near misses with myself and others involving selfish semi drivers pulling out of the truck stop. I am not sure what happened in the accident, but I can almost bet it was the result of what happens to me on a daily basis: Travelling down Co 46 at about 55 when a semi pulls out right in front of my car at a ridiculously slow speed, causing the truck to sprawl out across the road that lies ahead. This happens all too often, and it is a danger to thse in that area. Maybe the traffic lights should have been installed by the Trail's entrance, not by Wal Mart.In regards to the other accident, and the picture taking: I don't know who's right or wrong, but a telefoto lens could solve any problems of it happening again. You can take pictures of any going's on in town, Boilermaker, and no one will ever be the wiser!
Posted by GEOKARJO on Sep. 23 2003,12:30 pm
YeaH I driving 55 through there at 6:55 pm on Monday as a freeborn constuction dump trk flew by me recklessly I might add.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 24 2003,8:53 am
From the Tribune on Tuesday.| Quote |
In other news from Monday's city council meeting: - The council will ask the state to reduce the speed limit on part of East Main Street from 55 to 45 mph. The stretch of road in question is near Trail's Travel Center and the state park road. The city does not have the authority to make the change, but can make a request of the state. Citizens have expressed concern that a 55 mph speed limit on the road is unsafe, and Schmitt said there have been a couple of recent accidents there. Council member Mary Kron said with the new Wal-Mart Supercenter opening nearby soon, there will be even more traffic in the area. The state will have to conduct a speed study before making a decision, and City Engineer Dave Olson said citizens who have concerns should contact the city to have their opinions included in the city's communication with the Minnesota Department of Transportation. Albert Lea Tribune |
Posted by Hanna on Sep. 24 2003,11:18 am
Geez, another study....that will cost more than two speed limit signs.
Posted by Dustin Petersen on Sep. 24 2003,11:23 am
Maybe they should pay some outside contractors first to see if we want the study done. 
Posted by knowledge on Sep. 24 2003,1:05 pm
There is no cost to the City to have this study done. The Minnesota Department of Transportation conducts the study and then determine what the appropriate speed limit is. MN/DOT is the only people that can change a speed limit.
Posted by cpu_slave on Sep. 24 2003,1:22 pm
Then perhaps we need to pay for a study to see if we need to have this free study done?Or should we first pay for a study to see if we need to pay for a study to see if we need to have this free one done?
Or should we first pay.......
Posted by just looking on Sep. 25 2003,7:21 am
The comment that the study would cost more than two signs... 2 signs would be cheap but it would require the driving public to obey these signs, just because it says 45 mph doesn't mean that it will effectively slow down all of the drivers leaving a small percentage still going to fast for the conditions. Most of the local people are aware of the potential dangers of this intersection yet it hasn't slowed most of them down and I'm not sure that a sign would slow the few would be potential accident victims. Speed limits are for the most part recommendations of safe speeds we as drivers are responsible for not driving beyond the conditions, therefore if we know that it is not necessarily safe to be driving 55 in a certain area we should slow down and be more cautious of drivers that aren't as aware as we are.
Posted by hoosier on Sep. 25 2003,9:00 am
Just Looking, great post. I used to drive semi and I can assure you that I have seen way more idiots driving cars than I have driving semis. I couldnt agree with you more, my god, you know you are driving by a truck stop, a very busy truck stop, dont you think that means that there might be a number of semis pulling in and out of there? For all you people that cry about all the close calls you have had out there, in my opinion, if you came that close to a semi, pulling out of Trails parking lot at a slow speed, you are the ones that are the problem, not the semi drivers. Next thing you know you guys will blame it on the train for almost getting hit on the railroad tracks. Learn to drive in the conditions you are in, when you drive by a large truck stop, consider that there just might be semis pulling in and out, believe me, its much easier for you to take defensive measures than it is the guy driving the big semi.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Sep. 25 2003,10:52 am
Hoosier Is right it take bit of time to get a fully load semi up to speed and reducing the spped limit there would help give the semi more time to get his rig ouit of the way of the idiot in the mazaradi wish it was.
Posted by The Rocket on Mar. 21 2004,3:33 pm
Planning meeting the 25th for another truck stop on the north side of road across from Trails. Now we will have truck traffic entering and exiting on both sides. Hope they have good traffic control planned.
Posted by rosebudinal on Mar. 21 2004,6:37 pm
Saw the bulldozers out there hidden amongst the trees that they will destroy. Kinda sad really. That area out there better get some lights, they needed it alot longer and alot more than where they put them by Home Depot. As a parent, it frightens me to have my child ride the bus. In the last few years, I have either taken the gravels roads or interstate. 46 is a DEATH TRAP!!!!!!! Can't count the amount of semis and vehicles that pull out front of me. Even the kid said " GEE, if they woulda just waited 5 seconds for you to pass, no one was behind you!!!!IT tells me alot that my child who doesn't yet drive has more common sense than the truckers out there.
Posted by Montyman on Mar. 21 2004,7:49 pm
Every road is a death trap with people out there on cel phones!