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rosebudinal 
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Posted on: Mar. 07 2004,1:21 pm |
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Perhaps these laws are aimed at teenagers who don't always make the right decisions concerning their own safety and if their parents didn't enforce rules regarding the usage of seatbelts....don't take this wrong but, you would benefit greatly by considering doing a ridealong some evening to the scene of an accident in which the victims were not wearing seatbelts. And you are right about one thing, I do stick to what I believe. If you choose to call that self-righteousness(hmmm name calling) then so be it. To me there are certain safety issues that leave no room for bickering. I think that if you so choose to not wear a seatbelt, then I do agree it should not be forced upon you. It boils down to how much you value your life and the impact of those it affects around you. Me, I don't feel that my life is that disposable. But, you should have the freedom to make your own call. End of my comments on this topic.
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Spidey
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Posted on: Mar. 07 2004,6:03 pm |
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| Quote | | And you are right about one thing, I do stick to what I believe. |
You can't be refering to anything I said. Never once did I mention that "you stick to what you believe."
| Quote | | If you choose to call that self-righteousness(hmmm name calling) then so be it. |
No, Your words "idiot" and "dumb" which you chose to describe people who don't agree with you is Self-righteous, sanctimonious and holier-than-though opinions.
Furthermore, I never once commented on if I wore a seat belt or not. Like I said before, that's none of your business.
Teenagers would fall under the catagory of children.
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Truth
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Posted on: Mar. 07 2004,9:24 pm |
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"It's just another way to pull someone over that before they couldn't do without other probable cause." (TRUTH stares at irisheyes for several moments and tries to make sense of this sentence.)
What the hell are you on? Go check out the Grammar thread.
Hey rosebud. I don't think it's smart to tell people you knew Pat Piper, let alone worked with her. 
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Truth
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Posted on: Mar. 07 2004,9:48 pm |
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But seriously. Officers make discretionary decisions based on the circumstances of each traffic stop. Age has nothing to do with that decision. However, the real point here is that seatbelt laws are not designed to get police into your car. They are a good faith effort on the part of law makers to give law enforcement a tool to promote safety on our roads. Seatbelts do prevent injuries in crashes, there can be no doubt about that. I've heard all the legends about my friend's hair dresser, knew a guy whose mom's sister was going out with a guy who would have burned alive or drown in a car crash if he had been wearing a seatbelt. THAT'S GREAT. WOW. How often do cars burst into flames in a crash? How often do objects in motion stay in motion unless acted on by an outside force? Also, if you can't get out of your seatbelt quickly enough to get out of a car sinking into water then "raise your hand and Tommy will come around and hit you in the head with a tack hammer because you are a retard." Push to release, its easy.
Injuries cause millions of dollars in damages in car crashes in this country each year. Most of those injuries result from nonuse or improper use of safety restraints. Insurance companies set their rates for all of their customers based in part on claims. Injuries are part of those claims. If you get seriously mangled in a crash and your insurance company or the insurance company of the guy that hit you have to pay medical bills, that can effect us all. So, irisheyes, this isn't just about you and what you mistakenly think is a right to do what ever you want inside your car. NEXT!
Oh, and irisheyes, be sure you read into what constitutes probable cause before you ramble on about it. You've just revealed how little you actually know about it as it relates to traffic enforcement.
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rosebudinal
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Posted on: Mar. 07 2004,11:10 pm |
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My association with P. Piper had no political affiliation, it was an article of mine that was published that she read that led to my public speaking engagements. While I realize that your comment on that was no doubt tongue in cheek, thought I'd straighten that part of it out for you.
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Mar. 08 2004,4:12 pm |
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What the heck is going on, we were talking about super-sizing for pete's squeaks you blubber mouths. 
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2004,5:54 pm |
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| Quote (Truth @ Mar. 07 2004,9:48:pm) | | If you get seriously mangled in a crash and your insurance company or the insurance company of the guy that hit you have to pay medical bills, that can effect us all. So, irisheyes, this isn't just about you and what you mistakenly think is a right to do what ever you want inside your car. NEXT! |
This isn't about me, I always wear my seatbelt. Not because of the law, I started wearing it as habit once I realized that if a mechanical failure happens in your car, it doesn't matter how good of a driver you are. I think everyone should wear seatbelts, but I don't like how its being enforced. Most people I know don't wear seatbelts, but have never gotten a ticket for it, or even been pulled over. So it comes down to another example of selective prosecution.
| Quote | | Oh, and irisheyes, be sure you read into what constitutes probable cause before you ramble on about it. You've just revealed how little you actually know about it as it relates to traffic enforcement. |
Fine, if I've posted something incorrect about that, why don't you correct me? All you're (see, I got it right, that time) doing is saying I'm wrong, but not explaining how or why! Instead you've focused on telling people to "learn before you ramble", and starting a crusade against bad gramar.
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2004,6:48 pm |
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I believe in seatbelt laws for children and carseats. I would always wear my seatbelt having been a volunteer fireman and arriving a some crashes that should not have been fatal if they had worn a seatbelt. Still, if an adult wants to drive around sticking his or her neck out without wearing a seatbelt, it should not be the governments business.
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Truth
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2004,8:30 am |
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I'm not going to teach you how to obey the law on this damn forum. Are you a grown up? Figure it out Irish. I just see that you don't know what is required before an officer can make a traffc stop. It's a whole lot less than probable cause. However, when it comes to seatbelt enforcement the stop is not about the seatbelt violation itself....so you are mistaking points of law for "selective prosecution."
Really what I'm getting at with nearly all of my posts is my attempt to point out how much of what is said in here is based on lies and half truths.
"So it comes down to another example of selective prosecution."
Survey says.........WRONG!
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minnow
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2004,9:01 am |
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No, You're pointing out how narrow minded and biased towards the police you really are... 
Total BS. We don't need or should have more laws to protect us from ourselves. Each of us has our own life and are entitled to make our own decisions.
This country is not the conservative place you wish it to be. In only 9 short months George Bush will see some of that there "regime change" of his own... 
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